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Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:53 pm
by SlayerQC
ALIEN PRIDE!
(had to say something dumb too)
btw, we r all equals, we r all mortals.
k, now i shut up and never come back to this not-so-constructive thread. no offense.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:57 pm
by Dr_Demento
it amazes me how someone can take a GOOD word like pride and find offense in it.
just get the f*ck over it.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:46 am
by ahunda
Wow. What a display of political ignorance & indifference in this thread.
"Black Pride" was a concept developed on the background of centuries of oppression and exploitation of black people at the hands of white people: Colonisation, slavery, segregration, ... Black people had been treated as sub-human for generations, as inferior and 2nd class human beings. Slogans like "Black is beautiful" and "Black Pride" were an answer to that oppression and degradation. They were part of a movement, that strove for equal rights for everybody, regardless of race. And they were meant to give black people a sense of self-worth & self-respect, after having been told for centuries, that they were hardly more than animals.
Yes, there were some like Farrakhan and his buddies, who went off the map by suddenly declaring blacks superior to whites and calling for a segregated society themselves. But they were a minority and associating the slogan of "Black Pride" with them is just plain wrong.
"White Pride" on the other hand is a concept, that is closely tied to white supremacy and racism. It is not widely used outside these circles, it is it´s original context and meaning, and that´s that.
With other words: While slogans like "Black Power" or "Black Pride" were/are part of a movement, that fought against racism and oppression, the slogans of "White Power" and "White Pride" were/are part of a racist and oppressive movement.
By equating the two, you are either willfully trolling, displaying your own ignorance or siding with racists & white supremacists. There is nothing to argue about here.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:18 am
by BaldAdonis
GabonX wrote:Also the Nazis used the swastika but before that it was used in India. Should Indians not be allowed to use their symbol?
Another post in this topic lists members with similar user names to White-Pride. Allowing these to exist while forbidding a white person to express pride in their race creates a double standard which is deeply offensive to a number of people on this site as evidenced by the dialouge here.
I'd be more interested in hearing why the name Hitler was banned. Plenty of other high ranking Nazi politicians and generals have their names used here to no discord. Or should everyone who commits crimes against humanity have their name stricken from CC as well?
HermannGoering, watch out!
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:00 am
by TheTrust
Well, when my boyfriend wrestles and trains an elite group to enter team tournaments with him, they tend to wear black and blue uniforms (the motto to the opposing team was basically: "at the end of the day, we can take our black and blue off, but yours will be with you for a week") Whenever the team went in it was popular for people to accomodate a cheer of "blue power".
Now, you could look at this and say: "oh they're making racist comments about people being black when in reality the reference is widely accepted that they will put such a beat-down on you that your bruises and scars will leave a mark.
It comes down to interpretation. If an opponent had white uniforms on and wrestled with the Logo White Power... nobody would be offended because people would take it in the right context.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:46 am
by greenoaks
i have been to pink pride events. does anyone find that offensive ?
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:38 pm
by GabonX
It doesn't matter who may or may not have used the term in the past, these people do not own the words. Just because some black people used the term Black Pride, power etc. in a none racist way does not mean that all of them used it this way. Likewise just because the term white pride has been used in a racist way by some people does not mean that everyone who would ever seek to combine these words is racist. These are ridiculously absolute assertions to make and it adds fuel to the racial fire by creating such an obvious double standard.
Saying that one group can use their respective slogan while another cannot is implicitly racist in and of itself. Either all such slogans should be allowed or none of them should be.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:41 pm
by MikeFromLux
GabonX wrote: Likewise just because the term white pride has been used in a racist way by some people does not mean that everyone who would ever seek to combine these words is racist. .
why not come out of your ivory tower - and show us links to websites where 'white-pride' is not used in a racist way - then you may actually have something. don't waste too much time, because I have already done the search. I can not find anywhere on the www where white pride is not used by a racist group.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:41 pm
by GabonX
BaldAdonis wrote:GabonX wrote:Also the Nazis used the swastika but before that it was used in India. Should Indians not be allowed to use their symbol?
Another post in this topic lists members with similar user names to White-Pride. Allowing these to exist while forbidding a white person to express pride in their race creates a double standard which is deeply offensive to a number of people on this site as evidenced by the dialouge here.
I'd be more interested in hearing why the name Hitler was banned. Plenty of other high ranking Nazi politicians and generals have their names used here to no discord. Or should everyone who commits crimes against humanity have their name stricken from CC as well?
HermannGoering, watch out!
I think it's because the mods are unaware of this either because they don't see these names or don't know every Nazi politician/general which could be referenced. I'm in a game with someone who's name is derrived from Rommel's and I wondered the same thing.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:45 pm
by GabonX
MikeFromLux wrote:GabonX wrote: Likewise just because the term white pride has been used in a racist way by some people does not mean that everyone who would ever seek to combine these words is racist. .
why not come out of your ivory tower - and show us links to websites where 'white-pride' is not used in a racist way - then you may actually have something. don't waste too much time, because I have already done the search. I can not find anywhere on the www where white pride is not used by a racist group.
It's completely irrelavent whether or not somebody else wants to use the term in a racist way. It is ridiculous to assert that everyone would. Some people would use the term simply to make a point about the double standard that exists regarding race in society. This in and of itself is a worth while point to make and people do make it by using terms like white pride.
I'm not arguing that the term should be allowed or disallowed, only that there should be an absolute standard applied so that there is not discrimination against a particular group.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:21 pm
by TheBro
As a white American I see no problem with his name.....
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:27 pm
by MikeFromLux
GabonX wrote:It's completely irrelavent whether or not somebody else wants to use the term in a racist way.
if it is so irrelevant - show me an example where the term is used in a non-racist way.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:36 pm
by yrral
This thread has gone beyond its original intent............you're just whipping a dead horse..........
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:50 pm
by Snorri1234
MikeFromLux wrote:GabonX wrote:It's completely irrelavent whether or not somebody else wants to use the term in a racist way.
if it is so irrelevant - show me an example where the term is used in a non-racist way.
Oh wait, you meant non-racist....
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:34 pm
by jiminski
ahunda wrote:Wow. What a display of political ignorance & indifference in this thread.
"Black Pride" was a concept developed on the background of centuries of oppression and exploitation of black people at the hands of white people: Colonisation, slavery, segregration, ... Black people had been treated as sub-human for generations, as inferior and 2nd class human beings. Slogans like "Black is beautiful" and "Black Pride" were an answer to that oppression and degradation. They were part of a movement, that strove for equal rights for everybody, regardless of race. And they were meant to give black people a sense of self-worth & self-respect, after having been told for centuries, that they were hardly more than animals.
Yes, there were some like Farrakhan and his buddies, who went off the map by suddenly declaring blacks superior to whites and calling for a segregated society themselves. But they were a minority and associating the slogan of "Black Pride" with them is just plain wrong.
"White Pride" on the other hand is a concept, that is closely tied to white supremacy and racism. It is not widely used outside these circles, it is it´s original context and meaning, and that´s that.
With other words: While slogans like "Black Power" or "Black Pride" were/are part of a movement, that fought against racism and oppression, the slogans of "White Power" and "White Pride" were/are part of a racist and oppressive movement.
By equating the two, you are either willfully trolling, displaying your own ignorance or siding with racists & white supremacists. There is nothing to argue about here.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:03 pm
by JACKAZZTJM
your not even black sayin this name offends you get over it u tool
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:40 pm
by GabonX
MikeFromLux wrote:GabonX wrote:It's completely irrelavent whether or not somebody else wants to use the term in a racist way.
if it is so irrelevant - show me an example where the term is used in a non-racist way.
The name itself could be an example but it's impossible to tell because there has been no dialouge with the player. If you want an example I can however provide one as follows...
I support the notion of people being proud of their heritage. Based on this I support white pride.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:44 pm
by Snorri1234
GabonX wrote:MikeFromLux wrote:GabonX wrote:It's completely irrelavent whether or not somebody else wants to use the term in a racist way.
if it is so irrelevant - show me an example where the term is used in a non-racist way.
The name itself could be an example but it's impossible to tell because there has been no dialouge with the player. If you want an example I can however provide one as follows...
I support the notion of people being proud of their heritage. Based on this I support white pride.
Me and my buddies are with you on that.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:49 pm
by KoE_Sirius
yrral wrote:This thread has gone beyond its original intent............you're just whipping a dead horse..........
The quote is "flogging a dead horse"....no whipped cream involved lol
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:05 pm
by GabonX
Snorri1234 wrote:Me and my buddies are with you on that.
So my last comment which states that all people should be proud of their heritage somehow links me to the KKK?
My heritage would make me just as detestable to those people as though I were black. I think it is wrong to try to limit the expressions of white people by instilling the fear that they will be equated with groups like the KKK or Nazis. To insinuate this is psychological terrorism and an attempt to enslave the mind.
My mind is free of such notions.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:42 pm
by Dekloren
If his name was "Black Pride" would you have made this thread?
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:44 pm
by GabonX
Dekloren wrote:If his name was "Black Pride" would you have made this thread?
Haha, thats the question that started this debate.
He refuses to coment...
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:21 pm
by jiminski
GabonX wrote:Dekloren wrote:If his name was "Black Pride" would you have made this thread?
Haha, thats the question that started this debate.
He refuses to coment...
yes the chap who started the thread has not quite grabbed the argument by its nape.
however the context is utterly different; there is no equality of tone for these two terms due to the iniquities of history.
It is the same to argue: if we can use 'Honky' as a relatively playful 'jive' term for a white man, why can we not use 'Nigger' for a black man? (putting to one side the recapturing of the term by contemporary black American culture)
The reason it has not been acceptable is that one is used by an oppressor, as a specifically pejorative word for the oppressed and the other is the counterpoint.
Both in reality have the same intent but the context and therefore the power of the use is in complete opposition.
'Nigger' is based in a shameful period of history, which saw the ugly usurpation of an entire race. The term sought to underline inferiority, in the attempt to justify exploitation.
When this abuse became outlawed, the term acted as link to the old 'glory days' of ultimate racial supremacy and sought once more to demean those who were so evidently not inferior … that is where 'White Power' rears its abhorrent pate.
'Honky' was created in response, at a time where black people were gaining in confidence and freedom. In a time when the civil rights movement galvanised black people and made them demand something a little more than the facade of freedom. Where the frustration of economic slavery still prevailed, walking hand in had with the illusion of suffrage!
…this is where 'Black power' rears its sometimes ugly but retaliatory head.
'White Power' seeks to throw black people back into the shackles of their forefathers!
'Black Power' has
historically sought to re-balance the scales and heal the scars which the shackles still leave behind!
Saying all that i am not sure i really care about his name.
Re: "White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:16 am
by wicked
This guy is gone. Case closed.