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Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:25 am
by Phatscotty
How dodge kingish
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:10 am
by Aradhus
Phatscotty wrote:
Does he look like a kid giving the thumbs up sign? Or giving the "f*ck you" sign. Or, are you being incredibly dishonest right now?
"Oh, just a kid, with gold grills (like all normal kids), giving the thug life f*ck the world sign(like all normal 6'2 17 year old "kids"" Yeah symm, okay...You aren't fooling anyone with your bullshit.
The word is out in America about how the media bullshitted everybody. You can stop portraying him as a toddler now.
Wait.. The kid was "giving the thug life f*ck the world sign"??! Sweet Jesus why didn't we kill him sooner. Or at least have him locked up where he belongs. Holy crap, we've even got pictures of this heinous act?! Woah. Gangsta'. f*ck guys, sorry time to go, the debate is over. Take your ball and go home. The
kid looked a particular way(*cough* black *cough*), therefore he deserved to be stalked and killed.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:39 am
by pimpdave
Phatscotty wrote:
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:59 am
by Phatscotty
Aradhus wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
Does he look like a kid giving the thumbs up sign? Or giving the "f*ck you" sign. Or, are you being incredibly dishonest right now?
"Oh, just a kid, with gold grills (like all normal kids), giving the thug life f*ck the world sign(like all normal 6'2 17 year old "kids"" Yeah symm, okay...You aren't fooling anyone with your bullshit.
The word is out in America about how the media bullshitted everybody. You can stop portraying him as a toddler now.
Wait.. The kid was "giving the thug life f*ck the world sign"??! Sweet Jesus why didn't we kill him sooner. Or at least have him locked up where he belongs. Holy crap, we've even got pictures of this heinous act?! Woah. Gangsta'. f*ck guys, sorry time to go, the debate is over. Take your ball and go home. The
kid looked a particular way(*cough* black *cough*), therefore he deserved to be stalked and killed.
You don't have to go that far. Just because he is not an angel does not mean he deserved to die. That's ridiculous.
He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:39 pm
by natty dread
Phatscotty wrote:He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.
Yeah, because black == thug. Nice stereotyping phatso
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:16 pm
by gradybridges
Phatscotty wrote:He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.
And who was carrying the gun? Trevon had skittles and ice tea. Hardly a 40 and a blunt.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:19 pm
by spurgistan
gradybridges wrote:Phatscotty wrote:He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.
And who was carrying the gun? Trevon had skittles and ice tea. Hardly a 40 and a blunt.
Even if he had a 40 and a blunt, and was partaking of both at the same time (which, speaking from experience, is really, really hard) there's no need to escalate the situation to where you feel the need to shoot him. Especially if you're not even a real cop, not like that would make it ok.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:51 pm
by Phatscotty
natty dread wrote:Phatscotty wrote:He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.
Yeah, because black == thug. Nice stereotyping phatso
Those are your words.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:53 pm
by Phatscotty
spurgistan wrote:gradybridges wrote:Phatscotty wrote:He was trying to look like and act like a thug. He succeeded.
And who was carrying the gun? Trevon had skittles and ice tea. Hardly a 40 and a blunt.
Even if he had a 40 and a blunt, and was partaking of both at the same time (which, speaking from experience, is really, really hard) there's no need to escalate the situation to where you feel the need to shoot him. Especially if you're not even a real cop, not like that would make it ok.
So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?
Nice logic
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:44 pm
by gradybridges
Phatscotty wrote:
So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?
Nice logic
Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:48 pm
by patches70
gradybridges wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?
Nice logic
Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.
Are you trying to imply that it was illegal for Zimmerman to have his gun?
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:32 pm
by Symmetry
patches70 wrote:gradybridges wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?
Nice logic
Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.
Are you trying to imply that it was illegal for Zimmerman to have his gun?
Likely he's saying that Zimmerman was looking for a fight, as indeed seems to be the case in virtually every version of the events, and indeed, seems to be what he said when he wrote "Zimmerman was looking for a fight". Apparently the part of his post you overlooked. Curious, it wasn't a long post.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:59 pm
by oVo
Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?
We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.
I'm waiting for Scotty to add, "Don't bring skittles to a gunfight."
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:05 pm
by Night Strike
oVo wrote:Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?
We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.
I'm waiting for Scotty to add, "Don't bring skittles to a gunfight."
People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.). And you're assuming that he's
not being held accountable for killing an unarmed civilian. If he did not start the fight and his life was indeed threatened (as being pummeled into the ground would clearly indicate), then he didn't need to ask for permission to use deadly force. He would be well within his rights under the law to protect himself. There is no limitation in the law that you can only respond with the same weapon that you are being attacked with.
gradybridges wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
So, if you have skittles on you, it's impossible to start a fight?
Nice logic
Again, who brought the gun? Zimmerman was looking for the fight.
Carrying a gun is perfectly legal (as stated above). How do you
know he was looking for a fight? If he started the night looking for a fight specifically looking to kill Martin, then that would be justification for a first degree murder charge. If he was just asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood, then that does not automatically indicate that he was looking for a fight.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:40 pm
by Juan_Bottom
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:41 pm
by Night Strike
Juan_Bottom wrote:
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:11 pm
by kentington
oVo wrote:Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?
You say this, indirectly passing your judgment on Zimmerman. (If it is legal to carry a gun, then he doesn't need a reason.) If I were in an area where it was legal to carry, then I would. It is my right to do so.
oVo wrote:
We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.
I agree.
We cannot pass any judgements without facts. People see that he is white-mexican shooting a black kid.The kid could be holding a stuffed animal and still be the guilty party. Zimmerman could have been unarmed and still been the guilty party.
Trayvon was either guilty or innocent. Zimmerman was either guilty or innocent. They both could have been guilty.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:12 am
by Phatscotty
kentington wrote:oVo wrote:Zimmerman's lucky he isn't a cop, since a policeman shooting an unarmed civilian is going to be held accountable. Were there a lot of armed robberies or violent attacks in this gated community and is that why Zimmerman felt the need to carry a gun?
You say this, indirectly passing your judgment on Zimmerman. (If it is legal to carry a gun, then he doesn't need a reason.) If I were in an area where it was legal to carry, then I would. It is my right to do so.
oVo wrote:
We don't know who started this fight, only how it ended.
I agree.
We cannot pass any judgements without facts. People see that he is white-mexican shooting a black kid.The kid could be holding a stuffed animal and still be the guilty party. Zimmerman could have been unarmed and still been the guilty party.
Trayvon was either guilty or innocent. Zimmerman was either guilty or innocent. They both could have been guilty.
Ovo, yes, the community was heavily riddled with crime.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:24 am
by gradybridges
Night Strike wrote:
People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.)
People also have the right to walk down the street and don't have to provide any justification to any cop wannabe as to why.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:42 am
by Night Strike
gradybridges wrote:Night Strike wrote:
People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.)
People also have the right to walk down the street and don't have to provide any justification to any cop wannabe as to why.
That person also doesn't have the right to beat up the guy who asks him why he's there. And if you live in a gated community where everyone knows everyone else, then it would make sense to ask someone you don't recognize why they are there. You make it sound like Martin was walking down a sidewalk by a bunch of businesses, not in a gated community.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:31 am
by gradybridges
Night Strike wrote:gradybridges wrote:Night Strike wrote:
People have the right to carry a gun and don't have to provide any justification to anybody as to why they are carrying it (see the recent Supreme Court case against D.C.)
People also have the right to walk down the street and don't have to provide any justification to any cop wannabe as to why.
That person also doesn't have the right to beat up the guy who asks him why he's there. And if you live in a gated community where everyone knows everyone else, then it would make sense to ask someone you don't recognize why they are there. You make it sound like Martin was walking down a sidewalk by a bunch of businesses, not in a gated community.
Zimmerman obviously didn't know everybody. Did he go door to door to everyones house explaining he is the neighborhood watch? Meeting everyone so he would actually know if someone didn't belong?
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:30 am
by oVo
Night Strike wrote:That person also doesn't have the right to beat up the guy who asks him why he's there.
The police report contains no dialogue between Martin and Zimmerman
and you don't know who initiated this altercation.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:47 am
by Juan_Bottom
If someone asks you why you're anywhere in public you have the right to tell them to f*ck off. Unless they're a cop. Even then it's a grey area.
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:28 pm
by patches70
The special prosecutor announced today that she will not put the Martin case before the Grand Jury.
What does this mean? Well, it means Zimmerman won't be charged with a capital offense, so murder 1 is virtually completely off the table as a possible charge. In Florida a Grand Jury is always used in first degree murder charges.
This goes to show that even the prosecutor knows there isn't enough evidence to pursue either murder 1 and likely murder 2 charges.
Manslaughter at best. I wonder if that will appease the mobs?
Re: Trayvon/Zimmerman: NBC "Audio Doctor" Fired
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:54 pm
by Baron Von PWN
patches70 wrote:The special prosecutor announced today that she will not put the Martin case before the Grand Jury.
What does this mean? Well, it means Zimmerman won't be charged with a capital offense, so murder 1 is virtually completely off the table as a possible charge. In Florida a Grand Jury is always used in first degree murder charges.
This goes to show that even the prosecutor knows there isn't enough evidence to pursue either murder 1 and likely murder 2 charges.
Manslaughter at best. I wonder if that will appease the mobs?
Well its obviously not murder 1, how could he pre meditate a murder of someone he didn't even know?
I would think the most serious charge that could feasibly be levelled against him would be murder 2. I personally feel that's what he should be charged with. If you get in a bar fight and kill someone usually that's what you'll get charged with.