Conquer Club

Lootifer wrote:

patches70 wrote: And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

Most of the non american crowd here are boggled by the fact that you can kill an un-armed person as a private citizen and not be funneled stright into the courts/judicial system, nor be immediately charged with something.

Sure it's the american way, but by jingo that seems like some weird shit.

WE'RE WAITING ON THE MOTHERFUCKIN' FACTS

Neoteny wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

patches70 wrote: And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

Most of the non american crowd here are boggled by the fact that you can kill an un-armed person as a private citizen and not be funneled stright into the courts/judicial system, nor be immediately charged with something.

Sure it's the american way, but by jingo that seems like some weird shit.

WE'RE WAITING ON THE MOTHERFUCKIN' FACTS

Thankfully, media attention and public protests seem to have worked, and an actual investigation might be started.

patches70 wrote:...but he certainly exercised some poor judgment to say the least. He has to live and deal with the consequences of that poor judgment.

What do you consider to be the "poor judgement"?

I was thinking about this last night, and if instead of firing his gun, he didn't, and Trayvon had bashed his head in, and trayvon was alive and zimmerman was dead...then I'd say Zimmerman exercised some poor judgement. When you are getting your head bashed in and about to die you pull the trigger.

But if you are talking about zimmerman stalking trayvon, then yes that might be poor judgement.

bedub1 wrote:

patches70 wrote:...but he certainly exercised some poor judgment to say the least. He has to live and deal with the consequences of that poor judgment.

What do you consider to be the "poor judgement"?

I was thinking about this last night, and if instead of firing his gun, he didn't, and Trayvon had bashed his head in, and trayvon was alive and zimmerman was dead...then I'd say Zimmerman exercised some poor judgement. When you are getting your head bashed in and about to die you pull the trigger.

But if you are talking about zimmerman stalking trayvon, then yes that might be poor judgement.

Saying things like this is just as stupid as the ground swell of support for Trayvon: he could have bashed his head in; he also could have just given him a fat lip and a bruised ego; Can you say either way?

No, you can't.

Uhhh, Scotty that photo you've been posting nonstop of Trayvon is fake. So yeah the truth should not have an agenda. And you should pick better allies than white supremacists.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/art ... on-the-web

Iliad wrote:Uhhh, Scotty that photo you've been posting nonstop of Trayvon is fake. So yeah the truth should not have an agenda. And you should pick better allies than white supremacists.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/art ... on-the-web

Uh Iliad, show me where I posted that photo.... "non-stop"? Don't know what rock you are living under...

Okay. Nice to see there is a charge of some sort. But based on current Florida law, is prosecuting Zimmerman going to be a toss up? Is finding a non-biased jury even going to be possible? Is there anyone in the US that doesn't have an opinion one way or another on this? This is probably going to be a bigger trial than OJ...

Lootifer wrote:

patches70 wrote: And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

Most of the non american crowd here are boggled by the fact that you can kill an un-armed person as a private citizen and not be funneled stright into the courts/judicial system, nor be immediately charged with something.

Sure it's the american way, but by jingo that seems like some weird shit.

Because it's still possible to be seriously hurt or killed without using a weapon. What I don't understand is how all the gun-haters think that isn't possible.

patches70 wrote:And lordy, if Zimmerman happens to get acquitted (which is possible in a trial) then you'll see the real fireworks of outrage.

Yep, they're going to go even more insane if he's acquitted. They claim that all they wanted was an arrest, but I HIGHLY doubt that.

Night Strike wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

patches70 wrote: And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

Most of the non american crowd here are boggled by the fact that you can kill an un-armed person as a private citizen and not be funneled stright into the courts/judicial system, nor be immediately charged with something.

Sure it's the american way, but by jingo that seems like some weird shit.

Because it's still possible to be seriously hurt or killed without using a weapon. What I don't understand is how all the gun-haters think that isn't possible.

Huh? I didnt mention anything about a gun, or how the killing occured. That was not my point.

My point was Trayvon wasnt carrying any kind of offensive weapon; gun, baseball bat, knife, stick, anything. This immediately means the self defense argument is weakened (not completely bypassed of course!) because statistically/empirically/whateverly an unarmed person is less of a threat to your personal safety than an armed one.

Do you disagree with this?

(of course you should consider it on a case by case basis, but im not referring to that, im referring to the outsiders (us) looking in (american law) perception).

The racism in the title is representative of racists bitching about "racists" demanding justice.

Neoteny wrote:The racism in the title is representative of racists bitching about "racists" demanding justice.

You're racist racist racist in the racist of racists racing about racisting racist racist!

Racist.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Neoteny wrote:The racism in the title is representative of racists bitching about "racists" demanding justice.

You're racist racist racist in the racist of racists racing about racisting racist racist!

Are we talking about race car drivers? Or maybe the race car fans are racists (race enthusiasts).


--Andy

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I have to say, that if things did go down the way Zimmerman describes, I hope he gets off. Because if anybody is ever bashing my head against the sidewalk, and I shoot them, I don't want to go to jail. If you didn't want to get shot, you shouldn't have tried to kill me.

bedub1 wrote: I have to say, that if things did go down the way Zimmerman describes, I hope he gets off. Because if anybody is ever bashing my head against the sidewalk, and I shoot them, I don't want to go to jail. If you didn't want to get shot, you shouldn't have tried to kill me.

Except Zimmerman was the one stalking the young kid. And Zimmerman was much bigger than Martin. Pushing him off would seem more apprpriate. But the phony tough guy shot first.

gradybridges wrote:

Except Zimmerman was the one stalking the 6'2 17 year old. And Zimmerman was much bigger than Martin.

That is an assumption at best, a knowing lie at worst.

The part about Zimmerman being "much" bigger......COMPLETE LIE! I'm guessing you have not seen Zimmerman on TV? lol, he is a small dude. I won't blame you 100% for the lie though, because it's the media that told you that lie. Your only fault is going on the record for everyone to see that you are willing to say something that you only pretend to know and can easily be shown to be completely false.

Phatscotty wrote:

gradybridges wrote:

Except Zimmerman was the one stalking the 6'2 17 year old. And Zimmerman was much bigger than Martin.

That is an assumption at best, a knowing lie at worst.

The part about Zimmerman being "much" bigger......COMPLETE LIE! I'm guessing you have not seen Zimmerman on TV?

TV is different than real life.

Nola_Lifer wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

gradybridges wrote:

Except Zimmerman was the one stalking the 6'2 17 year old. And Zimmerman was much bigger than Martin.

That is an assumption at best, a knowing lie at worst.

The part about Zimmerman being "much" bigger......COMPLETE LIE! I'm guessing you have not seen Zimmerman on TV?

TV is different than real life.

doesn't change the fact that Trayvon is much taller than Zimmerman.

Gravybridges is just trying to be biased. Look at his post

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon is much taller than Zimmerman.

Racy racy racist!

Neoteny wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon is much taller than Zimmerman.

Racy racy racist!

Get your head out of the gutter. I'm sure you are better than that, and you can at least try to be.

Phatscotty wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon is much taller than Zimmerman.

Racy racy racist!

Get your head out of the gutter. I'm sure you are better than that, and you can at least try to be.

I actually hadn't considered the penis joke, and I'm sorta sad I didn't. I was really just harping about your continued minimization of the black person.

How was this caused by Skittles?

It wasn't. It supposedly occurred when Trayvon repeatedly slammed his head into the curb. Reminds me of this scene:

Phatscotty wrote:

How was this caused by Skittles?

You forgot the pic of Zimmerman's gun.

And coming from a guy who listens to Glen Beck, you know Media bias. And I wasn't talking about height-weight is more appropriate, esp if on the ground where height isn't an issue. Zimmerman has lost a ton, but at the time was a fatty.