Conquer Club

Gilligan wrote:I want to get things rolling.

vote Metsfanmax

Mets at L-2, I'll hammer if needed but GEQ is still my #1 scum dog.

QOTD:

[During Fry's check-up.]
Dr. Zoidberg: We'll need to have a look inside you with [pulls out a long cord with a camera lens at the end] this camera.
[Fry opens his mouth.]
Dr. Zoidberg: Guess again.

Vote Count

GEQ(1)- jonty
Mets(3)- strike, drake, Gilligan
Gilligan(1)- GEQ

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

I'm going to be away from my comp for about a week starting tomorrow, so if lynch occurs, might be a while before I get the scene up.

Well this is stalling. Personally I still like Mets if for no other reason I believe that it's slightly more likely for the one being counter-claimed to be scum than the one counter-claiming (the exception would be when it puts mafia in an end game situation...I do not believe this to be an end game situation). I've also been a bit confused by his behavior for a while. I didn't really find it scummy per se but even looking back through his posts I get virtually no read one way or the other on him.

strike wolf wrote:Well this is stalling. Personally I still like Mets if for no other reason I believe that it's slightly more likely for the one being counter-claimed to be scum than the one counter-claiming (the exception would be when it puts mafia in an end game situation...I do not believe this to be an end game situation). I've also been a bit confused by his behavior for a while. I didn't really find it scummy per se but even looking back through his posts I get virtually no read one way or the other on him.

In general, yes, if a role is counter-claimed (like cop) then it's typical to immediately lynch the first to claim (because most of the time, no actual mafia would risk such an obvious exposure). However, there are two reasons why this is not normal. The first is that he counter-claimed character and role. The mod said that the mafia have good fakeclaims. This means, presumably, that they are not claims of characters already in the game. If I am indeed scum, and GEQ is indeed Amy Wong, then there's no rational reason for me to have picked that character to fakeclaim, since I would have had a better one that wouldn't have gotten me counter-claimed on.

The second is that usually the person who counter-claims doesn't have prior suspicion on him, but GEQ was being pressured prior to his claim, so his claim should be viewed with a higher level of suspicion.

And freezie's "strong" fake claim was dismissed. It is fairly likely that a mafia buddy saw that one of these "strong" fake claims wasn't believed and took a shot at a slightly more major character. Let's not forget with one other person unclaimed you could have assumed they were Hermes Conrad whom was just as major maybe even a bit moreso than Amy Wong. It was better than a 50/50 proposition that Amy wasn't in the game if you consider that neither might have been included and/or you view Hermes as a slightly more major character (he did have a more significant role in the planet express company). I could add more wifom to the fire but I think I've suceeded in replying to wifom with wifom so I'll settle there.

Other than that, I honestly believe that the two most likely scum groupings right now are:

Gilligan/Ge
Or
Mets/Jonty

Ge counter claimed you which I believe I've already made my point on believing the counter claimer over the counterclaimed and Gilligan has a testable claim. That makes you and jonty the more favorable option in my mind.

There could be more than two, right? Or even one?

I will take your word for it...You know more about balancing games than I do.

strike wolf wrote:And freezie's "strong" fake claim was dismissed. It is fairly likely that a mafia buddy saw that one of these "strong" fake claims wasn't believed and took a shot at a slightly more major character. Let's not forget with one other person unclaimed you could have assumed they were Hermes Conrad whom was just as major maybe even a bit moreso than Amy Wong. It was better than a 50/50 proposition that Amy wasn't in the game if you consider that neither might have been included and/or you view Hermes as a slightly more major character (he did have a more significant role in the planet express company). I could add more wifom to the fire but I think I've suceeded in replying to wifom with wifom so I'll settle there.

This is weak logic at best. The fact is that your only argument is that I'm voluntarily choosing not to use my fakeclaim and instead risking my choice on one that's not guaranteed to be vacant. The fact that things didn't pan out for freezie is of no regard -- the most logical decision for mafia at the present time is for them to use their surefire fakeclaims, not grasp for possibly hazardous ones.

I've had my eye on you for a while; past suspicions, with how you're treating me now, make you a likely scum candidate in my mind. I would vote for you if I didn't instead have to

Vote GEQ

Metsfanmax wrote:

strike wolf wrote:And freezie's "strong" fake claim was dismissed. It is fairly likely that a mafia buddy saw that one of these "strong" fake claims wasn't believed and took a shot at a slightly more major character. Let's not forget with one other person unclaimed you could have assumed they were Hermes Conrad whom was just as major maybe even a bit moreso than Amy Wong. It was better than a 50/50 proposition that Amy wasn't in the game if you consider that neither might have been included and/or you view Hermes as a slightly more major character (he did have a more significant role in the planet express company). I could add more wifom to the fire but I think I've suceeded in replying to wifom with wifom so I'll settle there.

This is weak logic at best. The fact is that your only argument is that I'm voluntarily choosing not to use my fakeclaim and instead risking my choice on one that's not guaranteed to be vacant. The fact that things didn't pan out for freezie is of no regard -- the most logical decision for mafia at the present time is for them to use their surefire fakeclaims, not grasp for possibly hazardous ones.

I've had my eye on you for a while; past suspicions, with how you're treating me now, make you a likely scum candidate in my mind. I would vote for you if I didn't instead have to

Vote GEQ

My only argument? I didn't know you were a stand up comedian. I listed more of my case in the part of my argument that you've omited. You argued a wifom argument and I countered it with wifom. All of your wifom is a double edged sword by the way as the same logic could be applied to GEQ. Why would he risk counter claiming you if he already had a fake claim and the benefit is trading one townie for a mafia (traditional logic would be that sacrificing one mafia is not worth lynching a single townie)? Is my logic overall fool proof? No but neither is yours.

Metsfanmax wrote:I've had my eye on you for a while; past suspicions, with how you're treating me now, make you a likely scum candidate in my mind. I would vote for you if I didn't instead have to

Vote GEQ

so are you saying GEQ, Strike and me are the mafia? since i said strike is innocent?

strike wolf wrote:My only argument? I didn't know you were a stand up comedian. I listed more of my case in the part of my argument that you've omited.

The only other related thing you've said is

Ge counter claimed you which I believe I've already made my point on believing the counter claimer over the counterclaimed

which is redundant, in the sense that you cannot extract it from the entire argument about counter-claiming roles in a game with legit fakeclaims. The grouping of players is not an argument about whether I'm town, just a way to make it neater in your head.

The rest of your "argument" You argued a wifom argument and I countered it with wifom.

It is not WIFOM. You're abusing that description of arguments. There is a distinct disadvantage for mafia to claim something other than the granted fakeclaim, because of the possibility of accidentally stumbling onto an existing town role. There is no advantage, because there's no particular reason to believe that the fakeclaim made up is any better or more convincing than the one given. You can't argue that I would have any rational reason to ignore my fakeclaim.

All of your wifom is a double edged sword by the way as the same logic could be applied to GEQ. Why would he risk counter claiming you if he already had a fake claim and the benefit is trading one townie for a mafia (traditional logic would be that sacrificing one mafia is not worth lynching a single townie)?

Three possibilities:

1. As you observed earlier, it would make sense if this were an end game situation.

2. He is a jester or has some sort of similar role. The claim would probably get him lynched today or tomorrow.

3. He is trying to deflect attention off fellow scum by ensuring that he is the target of night kills/roleblocks/etc. once it is revealed that I am telling the truth. This would only make sense in a near-endgame situation, but with only 8 players left it is definitely possible.

drake_259 wrote:so are you saying GEQ, Strike and me are the mafia? since i said strike is innocent?

I am saying that GEQ is probable mafia (or jester, see above) and I do not know how to deal with your claim about strike. It's possible that you have similar "info" to what an insane cop would have, if you are not mafia. You'd have to be more specific.

Metsfanmax wrote:I am saying that GEQ is probable mafia (or jester, see above) and I do not know how to deal with your claim about strike. It's possible that you have similar "info" to what an insane cop would have, if you are not mafia. You'd have to be more specific.

Well i have never seen an insane inventor so is that what your saying i am?

Looks like no-one is going to vote GEQ so unvote vote Mets

drake_259 wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I am saying that GEQ is probable mafia (or jester, see above) and I do not know how to deal with your claim about strike. It's possible that you have similar "info" to what an insane cop would have, if you are not mafia. You'd have to be more specific.

Well i have never seen an insane inventor so is that what your saying i am?

I guess not. As scummy as I think strike has acted, if no one counter-claimed Farnsworth then I guess you and strike are both fully cleared, unless he has switched alignments since you investigated him. I guess that leaves jonty and GEQ.

Well now the only way he would is if he is godfather

drake_259 wrote:Well now the only way he would is if he is godfather

Oh, good point. Even though you are not a cop the rules for investigations still should be the same.

Like I said, I blocked him. No dice. He'd have to be a goon or something else.

Here's a thought: why are these same questions being posed to Mets not being posed to GEQ? MEts at least has decent answers, but GEQ has been completely silent and hasn't even pushed for Mets' lynch.

pancakemix wrote:Like I said, I blocked him. No dice. He'd have to be a goon or something else.

Here's a thought: why are these same questions being posed to Mets not being posed to GEQ? MEts at least has decent answers, but GEQ has been completely silent and hasn't even pushed for Mets' lynch.

I think it is too easy.... Aren't these games supposed to have twists? I think saf. did this on purpose... All I know is my role, and, sorry I don't check so much, it is a little boring when you're only a VT
However I am a tad suspicious of jonty jumping back and forth from vote to vote... Seems to be a bit of bandwagoning to me.

God Emperor Q wrote:

pancakemix wrote:Like I said, I blocked him. No dice. He'd have to be a goon or something else.

Here's a thought: why are these same questions being posed to Mets not being posed to GEQ? MEts at least has decent answers, but GEQ has been completely silent and hasn't even pushed for Mets' lynch.

I think it is too easy.... Aren't these games supposed to have twists? I think saf. did this on purpose... All I know is my role, and, sorry I don't check so much, it is a little boring when you're only a VT
However I am a tad suspicious of jonty jumping back and forth from vote to vote... Seems to be a bit of bandwagoning to me.

Would you care to quote me on these cases because I've only voted twice today - you and I said I would shift my vote if needed to Mets and I have.

Well since I'm being semi-prodded in Memebase might as well post here too. I still don't really see much to add to what I've said. I know my reasoning isn't rock solid for voting Mets over GEq but neither is the reasoning I've seen for voting GEq (I will say to mets that there is a difference between elaborating on a similar issue and being redundant but I really don't have the energy to get into a huge argument on that at this time unless it's necessary to prove my point and currently I don't think it is). I'll stick to my guns on Mets and if I'm right I think Jonty is the next most likely scum. If I'm wrong the obvious lynch for tomorrow will be Geq (disregarding any crazy incidents like it being Amy Wong from Universe A and Amy Wong from Universe B).

QOTD:

Hermes: We've got to get somewhere he won't stick his finger.
Bender: It's hopeless! Abandon ship!

Dr. Farnsworth: We're in the heart! We should be safe as long as nothing makes it beat faster.
(Fry holds Leela's hand, causing his heartrate to skyrocket)
Bender: Abandon ship!

(The ship is attacked by the parasite worms)
Bender: Abandon ship! (struggles to reach the exit door)

Vote Count

GEQ(1)- Mets
Mets(4)- strike, drake, Gilligan, jonty
Gilligan(1)- GEQ

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

welcome back safari

While I'm not completely sold on not lynching GEQ, I really can't find any harm with at least lynching Mets and lynching GEQ tomorrow need be.

Vote Mets

jonty125 wrote:

God Emperor Q wrote:

pancakemix wrote:Like I said, I blocked him. No dice. He'd have to be a goon or something else.

Here's a thought: why are these same questions being posed to Mets not being posed to GEQ? MEts at least has decent answers, but GEQ has been completely silent and hasn't even pushed for Mets' lynch.

I think it is too easy.... Aren't these games supposed to have twists? I think saf. did this on purpose... All I know is my role, and, sorry I don't check so much, it is a little boring when you're only a VT
However I am a tad suspicious of jonty jumping back and forth from vote to vote... Seems to be a bit of bandwagoning to me.

Would you care to quote me on these cases because I've only voted twice today - you and I said I would shift my vote if needed to Mets and I have.

Unvote Vote Jonty
You are defensive as hell, and are obviously bandwagoning. SUPA SCUMMY

QOTD:

Dr. Farnsworth: If we don't get rid of the worms now, they'll burrow so deep into the bowel, not even Hermes' famous jerk prunes could dislodge them!
Hermes: I call it Carribean Drano.

Vote Count

GEQ(1)- Mets
Mets(5)- strike, drake, Gilligan, jonty, PCM
jonty1)- GEQ

Mets has been lynched.

Scene

With the number of Earthicans dwindling, everyone decided to start saying who they were.

Surprisingly, two people claimed the same person.

"I'm Amy Wong!" cried one.

"Splegh, I'm totally Amy" replied the other.

The rest of the people stood by while the two Amy's went after each other with fists, hair pulling, and Cantonese insults.

Finally, the town decided to just kill one of them and hope they got the imposter.

Metsfanmax, Amy Wong, Vanilla Townie has been lynched!



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