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Q: Why are christians so annoying?

A: Because in order to fulfill some internal need, they believe in ancient supernatural fairy tales, fantastic creatures and magical beings. No amount of logic and observation will change their mind.

Since they believe their superstitions are 100% true, by default anyone who doesn't think as they do is beneath them, in need of saving, unhappy and destined for their flaming fantasy land.

This self righteous behavior is intrinsically annoying, no matter the religion.

Backglass wrote:Q: Why are christians so annoying?

A: Because in order to fulfill some internal need, they believe in ancient supernatural fairy tales, fantastic creatures and magical beings. No amount of logic and observation will change their mind.

Since they believe their superstitions are 100% true, by default anyone who doesn't think as they do is beneath them, in need of saving, unhappy and destined for their flaming fantasy land.

This self righteous behavior is intrinsically annoying, no matter the religion.

The problem with this is that it only describes a relatively small, albeit noisy, section of the general population of X religion. You can't apply it so generally.

the intolerance of people these days ceases to amaze me

diddle wrote:the intolerance of people these days ceases to amaze me

These days? Try all of history

Backglass wrote:Q: Why are christians so annoying?

A: Because in order to fulfill some internal need, they believe in ancient supernatural fairy tales, fantastic creatures and magical beings. No amount of logic and observation will change their mind.

Since they believe their superstitions are 100% true, by default anyone who doesn't think as they do is beneath them, in need of saving, unhappy and destined for their flaming fantasy land.

This self righteous behavior is intrinsically annoying, no matter the religion.

You've been on the site awhile, and I've obviously posted a ton on here. Surely you've noticed me a few times in various posts. So, I have a question. If I hadn't mentioned it, would you have pegged me for a Christian? And, when's the last time I made any effort to try to save any of you, or get you to conform to my beliefs, or even for that matter laid out any of my personal beliefs (outside of mentioning in this topic that I eat Kosher without getting too deeply involved in my reasons)? And honestly, do you really believe that I (and a majority of Christians posting here) think of you and other people as being 'beneath' us? Would make it rather difficult for us to follow the command to be 'a servant of all' if we're above those we're supposed to be serving, don't you think?

diddle wrote:the intolerance of people these days ceases to amaze me

The bad grammar posted on internet forums never ceases to amaze me.

Backglass wrote:

diddle wrote:the intolerance of people these days ceases to amaze me

The bad grammar posted on internet forums never ceases to amaze me.

I've tried this line. They come back with the whole -if you can tell what I'm saying it doesn't matter- line, and... they're right. It's just a forum.

Backglass wrote:

diddle wrote:the intolerance of people these days ceases to amaze me

The bad grammar posted on internet forums never ceases to amaze me.

Maybe he just wasn't amazed by the lack of tolerance we have?

i find them anoying because their whole belief systems starts with the idea of original sin. and of corse they need to save you from the very concept they've created. nothing nothing more anoying than someone beleiving you're damned and that they need to save you.

AlgyTaylor wrote:

Stopper wrote:There is an excellent quote in the latest Viz magazine on this very subject. If anyone has a copy to hand, then post it - otherwise, I'm posting this to remind myself to look it up when I get back in from work...

Ah, on the letters page - Gideon bibles. Quality letter, don't have a copy to hand at the moment tho

I knew I left a note to remind myself of something somewhere.

Here is that letter:

* I AM a commercial traveller, and I am forever finding myself in hotel rooms, fancying a wank but with nothing to read but the Gideon Bible.

After years of research, I can heartily recommend the following extracts: Job 3:12, Proverbs 5:19, and Solomon 4:5 and 7:3.

Gary Jismer, Email

Backglass wrote:Q: Why are christians so annoying?

A: Because in order to fulfill some internal need, they believe in ancient supernatural fairy tales, fantastic creatures and magical beings. No amount of logic and observation will change their mind.

Since they believe their superstitions are 100% true, by default anyone who doesn't think as they do is beneath them, in need of saving, unhappy and destined for their flaming fantasy land.

This self righteous behavior is intrinsically annoying, no matter the religion.

You know, the only reason this thread really offends me is because I put so much effort into not Bible-beating, not acting self-righteous, and not leaving logic out of my posts.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:I put so much effort into not Bible-beating, not acting self-righteous, and not leaving logic out of my posts.

Good for you...I applaud.

As you state it does take much effort however...which again implies the intrinsic, pompous, holier than though, "my gods bigger than your god" base nature of all religions. After all, if you didn't think your way was the right & only way, you wouldn't have chosen to devote your life to it.

Backglass wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:I put so much effort into not Bible-beating, not acting self-righteous, and not leaving logic out of my posts.

Good for you...I applaud.

As you state it does take much effort however...which again implies the intrinsic, pompous, holier than though, "my gods bigger than your god" base nature of all religions. After all, if you didn't think your way was the right & only way, you wouldn't have chosen to devote your life to it.

The nature of religion isn't to instill pomposity in the faithful... just because one believes their deity to be supreme doesn't make them "holier-than-thou".
It's a sad thing if the only type of believer you've ever seen is the incredibly outnumbered evangelical kind (of the bad variety), but then again maybe that's the only kind you've chosen to see.

Well, to the annoying, small portion of the Christian community, who feel it is their duty to harp on me about my choice of spiritual path:

I've heard the sales pitch, I ain't buying, please move on. Make the assumption that I've heard all that you're going to say before and leave me alone. Thank you.

To the more normal, less-chatty ones:
Thanks for being well-balanced. Now, please instruct your brothers in the previous group to keep quiet and we'll all be happy.

I am a Christian, and most Christians annoy me. So I don't think Generalizing Christians as "Annoying" is correct. I think it all comes down to the person.

Arbustos wrote:The nature of religion isn't to instill pomposity in the faithful.

Call it a "religious byproduct" then.

vtmarik wrote:Well, to the annoying, small portion of the Christian community, who feel it is their duty to harp on me about my choice of spiritual path:

I've heard the sales pitch, I ain't buying, please move on. Make the assumption that I've heard all that you're going to say before and leave me alone. Thank you.

To the more normal, less-chatty ones:
Thanks for being well-balanced. Now, please instruct your brothers in the previous group to keep quiet and we'll all be happy.

Yup...agree 100%.

Beastly wrote:I am a Christian, and most Christians annoy me. I think it all comes down to the person.

Too funny. I agree. My neighbor is a retired clergyman (of what religion I have no idea). He's a nice gentleman...he leaves me alone, and I do him. We wave at each other while mowing the lawn. He then goes in his house to do his thing (Pray for less crabgrass maybe?)...and I do mine. Thats the way it should be.

Unfortunately many are not like my neighbor and feel this isn't enough. They feel they must teach my kids to pray in school, hang religious relics on courthouse walls, spam my inbox with diatribes about how we should kill the muslims before they kill us...and tell my female friends what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

All of which come from a platform of superiority...and are extremely annoying.

Backglass wrote:

Arbustos wrote:The nature of religion isn't to instill pomposity in the faithful.

Call it a "religious byproduct" then.

vtmarik wrote:Well, to the annoying, small portion of the Christian community, who feel it is their duty to harp on me about my choice of spiritual path:

I've heard the sales pitch, I ain't buying, please move on. Make the assumption that I've heard all that you're going to say before and leave me alone. Thank you.

To the more normal, less-chatty ones:
Thanks for being well-balanced. Now, please instruct your brothers in the previous group to keep quiet and we'll all be happy.

Yup...agree 100%.

Beastly wrote:I am a Christian, and most Christians annoy me. I think it all comes down to the person.

Too funny. I agree. My neighbor is a retired clergyman (of what religion I have no idea). He's a nice gentleman...he leaves me alone, and I do him. We wave at each other while mowing the lawn. He then goes in his house to do his thing (Pray for less crabgrass maybe?)...and I do mine. Thats the way it should be.

Unfortunately many are not like my neighbor and feel this isn't enough. They feel they must teach my kids to pray in school, hang religious relics on courthouse walls, spam my inbox with diatribes about how we should kill the muslims before they kill us...and tell my female friends what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

All of which come from a platform of superiority...and are extremely annoying.

That's just it... there are far more like your neighbor than the kind you (and everyone else) have such a problem with. That type just knows how to make itself heard.

The rest of us can't do anything to quiet them, either... freaking 1st Amendment.

Arbustos wrote:The rest of us can't do anything to quiet them, either... freaking 1st Amendment.

You can still step on their toes and say "Zip it, you're making us look bad!"

You're not a corporation, so you can avoid any ACLU suits.

vtmarik wrote:

Arbustos wrote:The rest of us can't do anything to quiet them, either... freaking 1st Amendment.

You can still step on their toes and say "Zip it, you're making us look bad!"

You're not a corporation, so you can avoid any ACLU suits.

vtmarik wrote:

Arbustos wrote:The rest of us can't do anything to quiet them, either... freaking 1st Amendment.

You can still step on their toes and say "Zip it, you're making us look bad!"

The problem vtmarik, is that they can't do that. They can't question their own because if they do their faith gets called into question. If you did this in any church in middle America today you risk being ostracized by the entire congregation (and potentially family, friends, coworkers) and labeled a troublemaker OR WORSE...not a "true christian". Because as Arbustos alludes, the majority are not the loudest. They don't want to make waves, cause trouble or detract from their religious cause and have to look for another church.

Backglass wrote:Q: Why are christians so annoying?1

A: Because in order to fulfill some internal need2, they believe in ancient supernatural fairy tales, fantastic creatures and magical beings3 . No amount of logic and observation will change their mind5.

Since they believe their superstitions are 100% true, by default anyone who doesn't think as they do is beneath them, in need of saving, unhappy and destined for their flaming fantasy land4.

This self righteous behavior is intrinsically annoying, no matter the religion6.

Hi Backglass,

After our last tête-à-tête you assured me that you were just having fun and, I assume, playing hardball. So I'm operating under that assumption we're both basically hard-headed and thick-skinned. Like I said last time though, if I'm getting under your skin just pm me and I'll back off. Given that you mentioned logic and observation let's try showing the logical fallacies in your post to see if you change your mind when faced with logic and observation. I had to resort to footnoting to catch everything this time.

Backglass wrote:Q: Why are christians so annoying?1

1) While these aren't your words, you go on to defend them, so I'll start here. This is a gross overgeneralization. In essence you are attributing this negative attribute to all Christians without regard to any who don't share them. It's a bad idea because all I have to do is provide an example of one affable, non-annoying Christian and this stereotype is proven false. I present mamateo, He's a Georgian Orthodox monk and a member of conquerclub. I'll warrant that you haven't heard from him specifically because he doesn't make a habit of annoying people. Pm him if you’d like to see if I'm right. I guess I can also cite your Christian neighbor.

Backglass wrote:A: Because in order to fulfill some internal need…. 2

2) You've got an ad-hominem fallacy mixed with arguing from omniscience. First you speak as if you know why Christians believe what they do (as if you know their thoughts). Then, from that erroneous statement, you go on to characterize Christian beliefs as an attempt on the part of Christians to meet some internal need. This type of argument falls apart pretty quickly when looked at closely. Which is exactly why relying on logical fallacies is a bad thing.
Meeting an internal need can mean several things (for example I eat dinner to meet an internal need; there’s nothing wrong with eating it’s a natural and healthy thing to do). I think, however, that you are referring again to heroine addiction or a crutch as you have in the past. While, theoretically, someone can be addicted to something that is healthy for them (there are several medical reports that point to the mental, emotional, and physical benefits of living a religious life) that’s generally called a good habit and not an addiction, but if you'd like to think that I'm addicted to Tae-Kwon-Do or eating healthfully that doesn't bother me either. The use of crutches, over time, weakens the user and there is nothing to state that religion weakens the devotee over time. Quite the contrary, the same medical studies point to religious devotees being at least as healthy if not healthier than nonreligious people.

Backglass wrote:they believe in ancient supernatural fairy tales, fantastic creatures and magical beings3

3) These are ad hominem statements. I’m going to make the assumption that by “Supernatural fairy tales” you mean Holy Scripture. I’ll also assume that by “Fantastic creatures” and “magical beings” you are referring to Jesus Christ, God, The Holy Spirit, angels and demons (of various types and strengths). You seem to rely solely on choice of words to argue here. You’ve not actually given any solid rationale for disbelieving but you don’t have to. Hey, I respect your beliefs in this area. I’m not in the least interested in converting you so your approval or high opinion of my beliefs is entirely irrelevant. The fact that you hold a persistent negative view of Christians (as seen in many of your posts this one is just a representative sample) says more about your views and opinions than it does about Christians per se.

Backglass wrote:No amount of logic and observation will change their mind5

4) I love this one. I’ll come back to it in a moment.

Since they believe their superstitions are 100% true, by default anyone who doesn't think as they do is beneath them, in need of saving, unhappy and destined for their flaming fantasy land4.

5) In this statement you have moved into pure argument from omniscience. How can you reliably speak for my seven year old daughter? You did this, in fact, because she is covered in the “they” that you mentioned. She’s a Christian. Have you been interviewing her behind my back? I’ve known her from birth and she hasn’t shown any of these characteristics. I’m sure that out of nearly two billion people we could find at least a few that don’t fit into your hypothetical statement. Probably of a lot of Christians wouldn’t fit your stereotype actually. If you can be wrong in this assessment it follows that we should be skeptical of any others you propose.

Backglass wrote:This self righteous behavior is intrinsically annoying, no matter the religion6.

6) Now I’ll take this one as a personal assessment, even though it seems to have been directed at all believers of any religion. I’m part of that group and, for myself, can I be self-righteous at time? Absolutely, I usually eat crow and apologize for it, but it does happen. This is my own particular character flaw (one of many). Can I be annoying? You bet (I was actually pretty proud of being in last place in the “Most annoying Christian” competition we had a few months back), but hey I hold my beliefs strongly and if that annoys you…well sorry…that’s something I’m not likely to change though. At least, I’ve not heard any logical or rational reasons why I should.

Backglass wrote:No amount of logic and observation will change their mind5

Back to four. C’mon now Backglass which is it going to be? Everyone’s opinions are there’s and we any need to defend them, or Everyone must defend their beliefs and statements. I refer to our last debate http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &start=810
Which admittedly I conceded out of concern that it was getting little personal, and I really didn’t want continue toward attacking each other and not each other’s position. It just seems strange to me that when I showed time and time again the logical fallacies you were employing to prop up your opinion, you wouldn’t change it, and yet now you are accusing Christians of the exact same thing you were guilty of. Logic is a double edged sword if you would like to claim to be logical then you have to actually argue logically

Backglass wrote:They feel they must....spam my inbox with diatribes about how we should kill the muslims before they kill us.

I apologize for that. I will direct those feelings toward the crabgrass next time.

News Flash: This is not your high school debate club.

Care to put forth as much effort to actually answer the original thread topic?

luns101 wrote:

Backglass wrote:They feel they must....spam my inbox with diatribes about how we should kill the muslims before they kill us.

I apologize for that. I will direct those feelings toward the crabgrass next time.

OUT DAMN YE! KILLER OF THINE FESCUE AND REAPER OF THY KENTUCKY BLUEGRASS! THOU WILST FEEL THE WRATH OF THE HOLY ROUNDUP!

Hows that luns my old friend?

Backglass wrote::lol: OUT DAMN YE! KILLER OF THINE FESCUE AND REAPER OF THOU KENCTUCKY BLUEGRASS! THOU WILST FEEL THE WRATH OF THE HOLY ROUNDUP!

Hows that luns my old friend?

I love it. Really missed your humor as of late but I'm sure you've been working.

Backglass wrote:News Flash: This is not your high school debate club.

Care to put forth as much effort to actually answer the original thread topic?

Yeah, I know, it's fun ragging ya' though. The original topic is flawed "Why are zealots, both religious and non-religious, so annoying would be more appropriate". To that, I'd say too much time on our hands .

I noticed you didn't actually answer any of my points though. So are you changing your mind in the face of a logical critique of your stance?