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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:37 pm
by Telvannia
New version, tried to deal with all gimil concerns.

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I personally dont like the colour coding to show which castle is in which territory, but what can i do?


Large will follow!

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:55 pm
by Coleman
I like it except for Cardiff is really jarring. Maybe make that darker.

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:59 pm
by Telvannia
Coleman wrote:I like it except for Cardiff is really jarring. Maybe make that darker.


I was trying to find a colour that looked different, and yet did not blend into the glow.

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:59 pm
by Coleman
The more I look at it the more used to it I get, but I still think a darker color would be better.

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:21 pm
by AndyDufresne
I'd consider making the castle walls...not so hard and dark. Compare the outline to other areas on the map, and it looks a little out of place. Perhaps a gray...and perhaps a softer touch instead of the hard.


--Andy

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:44 am
by Telvannia
Lightened the castle walls, although, i need to keep then dark enough to be obvious because they act as impassibles in the castles, so you need to be able to see where they are.

Darkened Cardiff now.


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When i get my small nearer finalised i will post the large.

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:04 am
by gimil
for the cities take of the dark blue glow on the terr names, this will look ALOT better for the color coding i suggested :)

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:30 am
by Balsiefen
you have Athfolla as Atfotia

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:09 am
by Telvannia
gimil wrote:for the cities take of the dark blue glow on the terr names, this will look ALOT better for the color coding i suggested :)

Well no danger in trying it.

Balsiefen wrote:you have Athfolla as Atfotia

How important is this? The current names fits nicely.

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:31 am
by Balsiefen
Telvannia wrote:
Balsiefen wrote:you have Athfolla as Atfotia

How important is this? The current names fits nicely.


It shouldn't be too hard to make it fit and if we just have made up names there is little point in having a historical map.

Yes i know i'm a devil for accuracy

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:00 am
by oaktown
I've not read any of the posts, so forgive me if this is already being addressed, but after looking over the map I have two gameplay concerns:

1. I undertstand that if I want to attack a castle I have to hold the territory within it lies. But let's say i want to attack Tenenhair: which territory of the castle can I hit? And who can hit me?

2. As a colorblind player who doesn't know the UK terribly well, I don't know where Pictland, Mercia, and North are.

I really like the use of the seas, especially with the neutral starts. I would make the opening count low - one or two. Sure it's an easy card, but if you leave any armies there they get wiped out, so it quickly becomes an easy card for somebody else. It would make the seas best for quick but difficult to defend strikes into enemy lands.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:59 am
by gimil
After reading what oaktown said im concerned about the usability for colorblind people. The outer colors of each continent seem a little bland and alot of them blend to well with the backgrond. I believe they need more contrast for those like oaktown who have colorblind issues :)

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:22 am
by Telvannia
i have tried to fix, the problems, apart from the colourblind bit. I need to have a think about how i could fix that.


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Just noticed two of my sea names have moved, i will fix that in a bit.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:32 am
by gimil
The colorblind situation will be hard especially since your not color blind.

Maybe have a conversation with oaktown, he'll be better at it than me :)

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:44 am
by bryguy
Coleman wrote:I like it except for Cardiff is really jarring. Maybe make that darker.


Cardiff? to me i can hardly read it, so it looks like Gardiff


in other words, i can harldy read the names of the places on the small

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:58 pm
by Balsiefen
gimil wrote:The colorblind situation will be hard especially since your not color blind.

Maybe have a conversation with oaktown, he'll be better at it than me :)


Yea. Oaktown, are there any colours which are easier to distinguish than others? I'm wondering if we can find unique but still subtle colours which would work.

bryguy wrote:
Coleman wrote:I like it except for Cardiff is really jarring. Maybe make that darker.


Cardiff? to me i can hardly read it, so it looks like Gardiff


in other words, i can harldy read the names of the places on the small


It seems that in general the font looks nice but certain letters are hard to see. Tel, is there any way you could brush up the font by hand? Maybe removing the curl on the C in Cardiff and straightening out the E's in E. Engle and touching it up to look like the normal font.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:00 pm
by gimil
i most certainly could, but this would have to be a before quench situation.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:03 pm
by Balsiefen
gimil wrote:i most certainly could, but this would have to be a before quench situation.


I'm sorry, i have no idea why i said Gimil instead of Telvania there. :? Though you're certainly welcome if you want to.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:03 pm
by gimil
Balsiefen wrote:
gimil wrote:i most certainly could, but this would have to be a before quench situation.


I'm sorry, i have no idea why i said Gimil instead of Telvania there. :? Though you're certainly welcome if you want to.


lol well i msure tel is just as capable :)

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:15 am
by Telvannia
Balsiefen wrote:
gimil wrote:The colorblind situation will be hard especially since your not color blind.

Maybe have a conversation with oaktown, he'll be better at it than me :)


Yea. Oaktown, are there any colours which are easier to distinguish than others? I'm wondering if we can find unique but still subtle colours which would work.

bryguy wrote:
Coleman wrote:I like it except for Cardiff is really jarring. Maybe make that darker.


Cardiff? to me i can hardly read it, so it looks like Gardiff


in other words, i can harldy read the names of the places on the small


It seems that in general the font looks nice but certain letters are hard to see. Tel, is there any way you could brush up the font by hand? Maybe removing the curl on the C in Cardiff and straightening out the E's in E. Engle and touching it up to look like the normal font.


i can but, im away for the weekend, so cant do it yet. But when i come back i will knock something up.

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:02 pm
by gimil
When your back tel can you start posting both small and large images in a post? makes it easier to follow :)

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:56 pm
by edbeard
with the whole colour thing, you might be able to use different types of lines as well as the different colours.

this way if you're colour blind, you still can distinguish by the type of line.

make some dashed (perhaps different patterns of dashes?), have some be thicker. some have double.

the problem is not making it look silly with all these colours and different types of lines. But, I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:18 am
by oaktown
The colorblind issues can be resolved with some work, but i've got other play questions. The biggest one being the attack routes between the territories and the castles, especially Tenenhair: which territory of the castle can be hit from the outside? For ease of play you may want to redesign some of the castles to have a clear gate territory, with everything else nestled safely behind the walls.

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:19 am
by Telvannia
gimil wrote:When your back tel can you start posting both small and large images in a post? makes it easier to follow :)

I probably can manage that.

oaktown wrote:The biggest one being the attack routes between the territories and the castles.

They are shown by the green strip going into the castle, but if you want i can rename all the territories that can attack(/be attacked by) the outside gate. But i think it gets a bit boring having gate everywhere...


As for the colourblind problem, i will sit back and have a good think about that. On which continent borders is it the worst?

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:50 am
by Telvannia
Here we go, corrected the letter problem, is it clear now?
Fixed a few other things, the sea army circles seem to have messed up again :? Should not be hard to fix though.

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