Conquer Club

animorpherv1 wrote:unvote vote: Sierra This is our lynch today or GTFO, what Dito and DROZ said makes sense, you haven't even thought of lynching exile, it's just so out of your mind, if Dito wanted to be lynched earler, and everyone says Scum don't want to be lynched, does that really mean he's scum? I think not.

EBWOP thnkz.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

Ditocoaf wrote:I have no clue why some people supported me yesterday, I can only assume it's because they thought I made sense. Remember, we don't only make decisions based on alignment, we can also use something called "logic". Maybe it would be useful to lynch me to see if those who were against my lynch, were scum, but we would learn a lot from an exile lynch as well, as I have seen a few people sticking up for him. And, like I said... what are the chances of me fake-claiming exile's exact role, unless skoffin gave me a "safe claim," which she is surely too lazy to do?

Especially considering you claimed it first.

However, if we lynch Exile and he was right, you'll be a dead man by morning.

Indeed, if we had to lynch someone, Exile would be the logical choice because there is almost no way Dito could have fakeclaimed the same role as Exile before him.

But I'm nearly certain that Dito will have won the game/been given a new power like being bulletproof if we do. I'm not ready to move on from this "rival lyncher" theory; it explains both players' actions and their role relationship perfectly -- why two third-party historians exist in the first place, why Exile would counterclaim in a game where its terribly easy to make up roles, and why Dito would insist that one of the two of them be lynched. I think he knows that people know it's impossible fakeclaim before the genuine role is revealed, so he wants the "probe lynch" to be on Exile to achieve some kind of beneficial condition.

I'd like to see some reaction to this idea, whether it be negative or positive. I think it's an important issue to sort out.

I agree, Fifth... That could totally be it.

And, I must be honest, I don't like the idea of one of the two of them winning right now.

However, we all know how the game goes. If the lyncher wins, he just wins with whatever group wins. So, let him win as a lyncher. If he wins as lyncher, he'd still technically be a survivor, and he'd win anyway... Right?

unless they had to go all the way, like other survivours.

animorpherv1 wrote:Yes, Dito has everything right, if you even need me to prove it, get me ay Lynch -1, and I'll claim.

Are you saying you're a cop and confirmed dito's role, or is this bullshit posturing?

The1exile wrote:

animorpherv1 wrote:Yes, Dito has everything right, if you even need me to prove it, get me ay Lynch -1, and I'll claim.

Are you saying you're a cop and confirmed dito's role, or is this bullshit posturing?

It's animorph. Which one sounds more like him?

Anyway, I will unvote vote Dito:

1. I have little reason to believe him over Exile and Exile IS my multi. Sorry Dito.

2. I can't see the logic of what he's taking about, but Sierra's pleas for Dito's lynch are starting to remind me of some of my own posts. So, my second reason is narcissism.

3. As Nark pointed out, if we lynch the wrong one, the surviver's ass is either grass or an ass of a winning lyncher. Either way, it's out of our hair. Third reason - assology.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

Ditocoaf wrote:I have no clue why some people supported me yesterday, I can only assume it's because they thought I made sense. Remember, we don't only make decisions based on alignment, we can also use something called "logic". Maybe it would be useful to lynch me to see if those who were against my lynch, were scum, but we would learn a lot from an exile lynch as well, as I have seen a few people sticking up for him. And, like I said... what are the chances of me fake-claiming exile's exact role, unless skoffin gave me a "safe claim," which she is surely too lazy to do?

Especially considering you claimed it first.

However, if we lynch Exile and he was right, you'll be a dead man by morning.

Believe me, I know.

F1fth wrote:Indeed, if we had to lynch someone, Exile would be the logical choice because there is almost no way Dito could have fakeclaimed the same role as Exile before him.

But I'm nearly certain that Dito will have won the game/been given a new power like being bulletproof if we do. I'm not ready to move on from this "rival lyncher" theory; it explains both players' actions and their role relationship perfectly -- why two third-party historians exist in the first place, why Exile would counterclaim in a game where its terribly easy to make up roles, and why Dito would insist that one of the two of them be lynched. I think he knows that people know it's impossible fakeclaim before the genuine role is revealed, so he wants the "probe lynch" to be on Exile to achieve some kind of beneficial condition.

I'd like to see some reaction to this idea, whether it be negative or positive. I think it's an important issue to sort out.

Like I said before, I have no clue what to say about the rival lyncher theory... I guess I can just let you guys talk this one out? If it helps any, I'd be perfectly fine with exile being NKed, if we have a Vig. If he turns out scum, then I'm essentially cleared, and I've also removed someone who's pushing for my lynch.

I want to win with town; I just need to prove my innocence somehow first. Although, now that I think about it, this confusion is probably keeping me alive at night; scum won't NK me as long as they think I might use up a lynch. But I suppose that if scum knew I was a survivor, I wouldn't be worth killing anyway.

The1exile wrote:

animorpherv1 wrote:Yes, Dito has everything right, if you even need me to prove it, get me ay Lynch -1, and I'll claim.

Are you saying you're a cop and confirmed dito's role, or is this bullshit posturing?

I have no clue what ani's going on about. Ani, don't say stuff like that. Either you have something worth revealing or not; don't try to artificially create a bandwagon on yourself just to justify a claim.

mandalorian2298 wrote:1. I have little reason to believe him over Exile and Exile IS my multi. Sorry Dito.

2. I can't see the logic of what he's taking about, but Sierra's pleas for Dito's lynch are starting to remind me of some of my own posts. So, my second reason is narcissism.

3. As Nark pointed out, if we lynch the wrong one, the surviver's ass is either grass or an ass of a winning lyncher. Either way, it's out of our hair. Third reason - assology.

Try again. The only legitimate, relevant statement in that is "I can't see the logic of what he's taking about," so I'll try to explain more clearly.

If exile is telling the truth, then I can't be lying. Because that would require me to have somehow made up a fake-claim that was exactly what exile's real role is. I claimed before exile did, when under pressure. Exile wasn't under pressure at all, but counterclaimed an obscure, never-before-seen role.

The only thing I can't respond to is the "rival lynchers" theory, to which I say, "go ahead and NK him if you want; you'll see I'm right."

Now do you care to explain why you're actually voting, using real reasons? Or will you please unvote? There isn't really much difference between what you just posted and an unexplained two-word post, "vote dito." The humor is appreciated, but you need to actually play the game as well.

sorry for the triple-post, but here's your:

>Vote Count<

Ditocoaf (5) -- innervision, Sierra Leon, Fireedud, Militant, mandalorian
The1exile (5) -- Ditocoaf, TWO, Dark Wingstalker, Nark, Danoduke
S_L (1) -- ani

with 30 alive, it takes 16 to lynch

Ditocoaf wrote:If exile is telling the truth, then I can't be lying. Because that would require me to have somehow made up a fake-claim that was exactly what exile's real role is.

Logical fallacy or downright lie, I already said I suspect as a fake role Skoff could have given it to you.

I seriously have no reason to push a lynch on you besides the fact that I think you're scum, because your role seems so unlikely to mirror mine exactly. The lyncher theory is unlikely at best (and guys, if you can believe Thucywotsit is going to be here, then Herodotus has definitely gotta - so what, are we both supposed to be lying, just he does it better?)

If it helps convince you guys that I'm not a lyncher, I'd be happy to go after other potential scums and leave dito for a bit, but it doesn't look like we have much of a lead - unless possibly-a-cop-or-maybe-talking-crap-instead ani wants to shed some light on the situation. I'm also wary about wasting more time; we had a first day no lynch, and in a game this big a cult is a very real possibility.

You all say to lynch anyone but these two, then you keep pushing for a lynch!
Forget it, if no one here is planning on cooperating with the rest of the town, Unvote Vote Dito Although Exile seems more scummy In my opinion, Dito forgot to count my vote.

/ wrote:You all say to lynch anyone but these two, then you keep pushing for a lynch!
Forget it, if no one here is planning on cooperating with the rest of the town, Unvote Vote Dito Although Exile seems more scummy In my opinion, Dito forgot to count my vote.

Sorry again. *edit

Eh

unvote
vote dito

Ditocoaf wrote:

mandalorian2298 wrote:1. I have little reason to believe him over Exile and Exile IS my multi. Sorry Dito.

2. I can't see the logic of what he's taking about, but Sierra's pleas for Dito's lynch are starting to remind me of some of my own posts. So, my second reason is narcissism.

3. As Nark pointed out, if we lynch the wrong one, the surviver's ass is either grass or an ass of a winning lyncher. Either way, it's out of our hair. Third reason - assology.

Try again. The only legitimate, relevant statement in that is "I can't see the logic of what he's taking about," so I'll try to explain more clearly.

If exile is telling the truth, then I can't be lying. Because that would require me to have somehow made up a fake-claim that was exactly what exile's real role is. I claimed before exile did, when under pressure. Exile wasn't under pressure at all, but counterclaimed an obscure, never-before-seen role.

The only thing I can't respond to is the "rival lynchers" theory, to which I say, "go ahead and NK him if you want; you'll see I'm right."

Now do you care to explain why you're actually voting, using real reasons? Or will you please unvote? There isn't really much difference between what you just posted and an unexplained two-word post, "vote dito." The humor is appreciated, but you need to actually play the game as well.

As Exile already pointed out, your "I have been counter-claimed thus my claim must have been legit" theory does not resemble our earthly logic. This proves that I have been right to trust Sierra's moment of insanity to be the beacon that points towards the truth. Way to go Sierra.

P.S. I don't think that Kwan's vote should count until he provides a humorous reasoning that led him to voting Dito.

P.P.S. Since Dito insists that I play the game *long-suffering sigh*, I would like to ask one of you Cops or Vigs out there to do your magic on Mac, because that post of his that I have mentioned earlier really did seem like a Scum-tell. Special bonus for the Cops: If he turns out to be Town, you get to tell me that I'm wrong and to then watch my powerless fury.

mandalorian2298 wrote:As Exile already pointed out, your "I have been counter-claimed thus my claim must have been legit" theory does not resemble our earthly logic. This proves that I have been right to trust Sierra's moment of insanity to be the beacon that points towards the truth. Way to go Sierra.

That's not what I'm saying. I could be lying, but then exile would be lying too. Do you really think that Skoffin bothered to send someone a fake claim? If I had claimed "cop", and been counter-claimed, then that'd look bad on me, because there's a "cop" in almost every game. But there has never been a "survivor historian votecounter" before. Are you really saying I made up that role, and it turns out exile actually has it? Are you really saying that Skoffin bothered to send out fake-claims, when she didn't even send out all the real roles for a few days?

Whatever. This'll be one less game I have to pay attention to. Just either hurry up and do it, or move on to something else! I'm sick of arguing this same thing over and over!

mandalorian2298 wrote:P.S. I don't think that Kwan's vote should count until he provides a humorous reasoning that led him to voting Dito.

Really? I just got back...give me a break man.

Oh fine.


Mafia- a game we all play for fun, yet there are certain undertones to this game beyond our never ending quest for tomfoolery. Nothing less than what can be described as a social experiment, we must look for a deeper meaning in our votes. And what i demand of others, I expect nothing less from myself. Thusly:

Ditocoaf, let's think about him for a minute. He has said that he plays mafia because he enjoys arguing. He was part of a debate team. This twisted "enjoyment" he obtains from arguing with others is only the outer layer of this delicious yet smelly onion. it is not far-fetched to think that dito has prepared himself for this game. NAY! he has been waiting for this game all his life. Let's take a gander at the username that supposedly has no meaning to the more observationally challenged among us. Ditocoaf. As a whole it means very little. Very little indeed. But when broken down to its basics Dito's nefarious intentions become painfully clear. Dito, only one letter off from the word ditto which can be colloquially taken to mean "the same thing" or "like. Now coaf took a little more intellectual power to decipher. CoAF is an acronym which is used by the Children of Armenia Fund. At first the CoAF, as it is called, may seem like an innocent charity organization which purpose is to provide for the underprivileged children of a small country but let's look deeper into the country of Armenia shall we? The Republic of Armenia has a dark past that it does not want the world to know of: It used to be a part of the *GASP* SOVIET UNION! Now we are far removed from the days of McCarthyism, but the threat of Red Communism is one that we should be very aware of. The wall may have fell along with the U.S.S.R, but there is a lesser known theory that the Communist leaders of the Cold War foresaw defeat at the hands of the United States centuries before it happened and had themselves cryogenically frozen until the opportune moment should present himself. The search for the headless bodies and disembodied heads (part of the freezing process) had proven fruitless for all who attempted to find them. There is a small faction which believe that the Soviet Leaders found a safe resting place in the country of Armenia (hereafter known as "Ditocoaf's house"). The grand scheme was to have Armenia "defect" to the non-commie side and gain their trust with its enthralling musical productions (shown below)


Moving on, the communist leaders have returned yet again to wreak havoc on the world's economy. But they could not let their presence be known to the free world, they had to use cunning and wit and a small organization known as the CoAF. YES! it's all coming together now. The CoAF is in fact an evil organization which aims to turn the CHILDREN OF ARMENIA fund into an unstoppable robot mutant fighting force. Not so innocent anymore is it?
In summary:
Dito=ditto=same as

coaf=CoAF=Evil multinational corporation whose purpose is to create a pre-pubescent death squad and resurrect the Soviet Union.

DITOCOAF IS A NEFARIOUS SECRET SOCIETY AND HE'S TRYING TO DESTROY US ALL!!


Does my vote count yet? Cuz I got more if it don't.

Firstly- I don't find what SL's doing scummy at all. Dito's clearly been acting scummier, and he's actualy trying to act on it. However..

I'd be very suprised if either of them was mafia to be honest. Dito mafia and exile survivor is unlikely, as if dito was a scum historian surely he would have claimed town and not survivor, on top of that for the other historian to actualy be a survivor.. it just doesn't seem likely.

Exile mafia and dito survivor seems even less likely.. why would exile expose himself to get a survivor lynched?

So the remaning options are- both are really survivors, or one or both of them are lynchers after ther other. For either of these options, neither of their lynches make sense today.

mandalorian2298 wrote:3. As Nark pointed out, if we lynch the wrong one, the surviver's ass is either grass or an ass of a winning lyncher. Either way, it's out of our hair. Third reason - assology.

Don't forget the third option, Mandy: the lyncher gets some benefit like becoming unlynchable. It would make sense, as it would give a survivor an added advantage in fulfilling his win condition. And can you imagine how helpful a third-party played whom the town has no leverage over (can't lynch him) whereas the mafia has huge leverage over (a simple NK).

And nobody has reasonably explained how Dito could have possibly fakeclaimed Exile's role before Exile himself. You can't logically vote for Dito before you have addressed this. And as for the one idea floating around, Skoffin wouldn't have provided a fake claim.
1. I've never seen a mod-provided fakeclaim
2. It makes no sense in the context of his role
3. Skoffin is extremely lazy

And like icedagger said, if you actually assume either are scum, then their actions cease to make any sense whatsoever.

F1fth wrote:

mandalorian2298 wrote:3. As Nark pointed out, if we lynch the wrong one, the surviver's ass is either grass or an ass of a winning lyncher. Either way, it's out of our hair. Third reason - assology.

Don't forget the third option, Mandy: the lyncher gets some benefit like becoming unlynchable. It would make sense, as it would give a survivor an added advantage in fulfilling his win condition. And can you imagine how helpful a third-party played whom the town has no leverage over (can't lynch him) whereas the mafia has huge leverage over (a simple NK).

And nobody has reasonably explained how Dito could have possibly fakeclaimed Exile's role before Exile himself. You can't logically vote for Dito before you have addressed this. And as for the one idea floating around, Skoffin wouldn't have provided a fake claim.
1. I've never seen a mod-provided fakeclaim
2. It makes no sense in the context of his role
3. Skoffin is extremely lazy

And like icedagger said, if you actually assume either are scum, then their actions cease to make any sense whatsoever.

Well said.

Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

The1exile wrote:

Sierra_Leon wrote:Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

Ditocoaf wrote:Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

The1exile wrote:

Sierra_Leon wrote:Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

I somehow doubt that will happen, but this IS Skoffin........

animorpherv1 wrote:

Ditocoaf wrote:Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

The1exile wrote:

Sierra_Leon wrote:Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

I somehow doubt that will happen, but this IS Skoffin........

I think he's just trying to discourage his lynch.
He'res a summary of my claim's, and exile's claim's, "rivalry":

Wikipedia wrote:Herodotus views history as a source of moral lessons, with conflicts and wars flowing from initial acts of injustice that propagate through cycles of revenge. In contrast, Thucydides tried to confine himself to factual reports of contemporary political and military events, based on unambiguous, first-hand, eye-witness accounts, although - unlike Herodotus - he does not reveal his sources.

animorpherv1 wrote:

Ditocoaf wrote:Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

The1exile wrote:

Sierra_Leon wrote:Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

I somehow doubt that will happen, but this IS Skoffin........

It doesn't really matter if "it" will happen, the point is he threatened "it". At first it seemed like he backed out of his threat by insinuating just his vote counts would go away, but when pressured with an answer he again stated it was something more. He has yet to answer to any of those statements. Now I don't necessarily think he is scum, but something just doesn't seem right with him. In that regard I will Vote Exile, in hopes that some pressure from votes will incite an answer from him and ease some of my suspicions.

Ditocoaf wrote:Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

The1exile wrote:

Sierra_Leon wrote:Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

Stop trying to cover your ass.
Once again, when you're getting closer to your own lynch you change strategy, this time throwing that 'threat' back in out faces.
On day one, you started apologizing, mass apologizing.
My vote still stands on you Dito.

/ wrote:

/ wrote:You all say to lynch anyone but these two, then you keep pushing for a lynch!
Forget it, if no one here is planning on cooperating with the rest of the town, Unvote Vote Dito Although Exile seems more scummy In my opinion, Dito forgot to count my vote.

Sorry again. *edit

sorry? I think your vote must have been before Skoffin's last vote count, and she missed it.