Conquer Club

kgb007 wrote:Since AOG is already confirmed as a fellow braavosian, he's my top pick as our scum. He basically stated in the middle of D3 that he won't be posting in our QT (not that he had been there or here very much) bc of his suspicions of jak. I'll admit that jaks style can be annoying and throw scum vibes but I've played with him multiple times now in which his style is the same regardless of alignment. We've since seen an uptick in discussion primarily between Zivel, rob and another player who hasn't come forward with his location in the main discussion.

betiko wrote:

IAmRobik wrote:We can discuss my ability at a later time, but it's not the bleeding you perceive it to be. I said earlier that I thought it could be completely useless and that maybe I wouldn't be able to kill anyone anyway, so you can think about it and make of it what you'd like. There's a chance that death by a shot is instant, but I would not know it until it happens.

Blah, I hate being this cryptic, but I don't want to just out that shit cause there's no good reason to at this moment. Also, legion might not die tomorrow. 1) it depends on me and whether we decide that he's town 2) it depends on legion's role -- from what he said about his role in our QT, he might not die

ok hadn't seen this post sorry.

well what do we do now? I think I might want to ask legion who he thinks X is then, if he isn't going to die, cause I'm still not buying his story. It all relies on an accumulation of improbable things and conclusions he shouldn't have made (crasp 100% town, 100% sure pershy could only be visited by 1 person...)

Robik, why the hell tell yesterday that you are a vig, then today come up and say the oposite? we didn't ask you shit yesterday and you came up with all your vig BS threatening to shoot everyone. Then last night you asked who you should target. You cannot just lie like that. I'm in favour of getting your claim. there is no way town has 2 killer roles.

betiko wrote:oh come on, so now legion is tracker+watcher+he is buletproof? I want a full claim from legion, this is so full of shit.

IAmRobik wrote:I want to string up AOG cause he's incapable of playing the game and he's coming to illogical conclusions and he's pushing scum for things that aren't scummy at all, which means that he's just trying to push scum for the sake of pushing scum.

betiko wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:

betiko wrote:Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

1) your theory is completely flawed, we tried to explain it to you many times. you cannot conclude that the fact that charm got roleblocked night 1 is the direct cause of only 1 kill night 1. there can be a million reasons. just take jak/robik's role who kills with 1 day delay; if he targets night 1 the person isn't dead before night 2. Even if there wasn't that role around, there are tons of other explanations that could work

2) how do you know there was only 1 roleblock on night 2? there is only 1 KNOWN roleblock N2 which is completely different.

3) no you don't understand ever what is happening gosh. Robik said that people don't die immediately when he targets them. This has nothing to do with legion's role, he never claimed such thing (he claimed watcher+tracker)

4) when exactly did legion say that charm is the town roleblock?

dude, seriously, do you ever read the thread, or just one post in every while, and the rest you just make it up? focus gosh! I'm tired of telling you that everything you say is inacurate. Not saying that charm isn't mafia, but your case has more holes than a swiss cheese.

legionnare wrote:@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Army of GOD wrote:Oh, ok, and here is my problem with "betiko is our lord and savior, we must protect him at all costs". Like I said in D3, what if this is a mafia ruse? What if they sacrificed one of their own to make betiko look incredibly innocent?

Not that I personally think betiko is scum. I am getting a pretty strong town read from him. But I don't think he's 100% town. Yeah, it'd be very unbalanced if the mafia had an unlynchable character but it seems like there are a ton of vigs in this game. Besides, I feel like the roles are slightly unbalanced anyway. betiko's player X has a really strong ability while mine is somewhat...meh.

I'm just saying we just have to stay on our toes, at least a little bit.

SiriusCowKing wrote:

betiko wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:

betiko wrote:Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

1) your theory is completely flawed, we tried to explain it to you many times. you cannot conclude that the fact that charm got roleblocked night 1 is the direct cause of only 1 kill night 1. there can be a million reasons. just take jak/robik's role who kills with 1 day delay; if he targets night 1 the person isn't dead before night 2. Even if there wasn't that role around, there are tons of other explanations that could work

2) how do you know there was only 1 roleblock on night 2? there is only 1 KNOWN roleblock N2 which is completely different.

3) no you don't understand ever what is happening gosh. Robik said that people don't die immediately when he targets them. This has nothing to do with legion's role, he never claimed such thing (he claimed watcher+tracker)

4) when exactly did legion say that charm is the town roleblock?

dude, seriously, do you ever read the thread, or just one post in every while, and the rest you just make it up? focus gosh! I'm tired of telling you that everything you say is inacurate. Not saying that charm isn't mafia, but your case has more holes than a swiss cheese.

1-I know it is a possibility, but I still think it's the best lead.
2-Why do you think I said there was many ways to explain why there was only 1 roleblock in night 2. I know it's the only known roleblock and not the actual number of roleblocks that occurred. I figured that whether the 2 roleblockers blocked the same person or someone got roleblocked and didn't mentioned it, it didn't matter because there was 2 kills.
3-If Robik is saying the truth, then there should have been 2 kills in night 3 when he would have targeted someone in night 2. And Robik said his ability was not a bleed. I understand that there are more possibilities of a role that would kill with a delay, especially with the twists we seen so far, but I think that Robik is not telling all the truth here.
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legionnare wrote:@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

SiriusCowKing wrote:Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

SiriusCowKing wrote:4-page 38:

legionnare wrote:@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

Except for the fact that I said that I don't know if JAK targeted anyone n1/n2. Some people are scared to vigi shoot early in games because they don't have enough information. Maybe he did shoot someone and I shot someone else. I don't know.

pancakemix wrote:@AoG: Have you forgotten that we can't lynch betiko even if we wanted to? My understanding is betiko is just the messenger anyway and this is something the Dread Fort is privvy to. (Am I wrong? Correct me if I am). If you're really that distrusting of Betiko, demand his name as collateral.

pancakemix wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

...that doesn't make any sense at all. Charm doesn't have to be a roleblocker. It's just theoretical and doesn't mean anything one way or the other. Also:

SiriusCowKing wrote:4-page 38:

legionnare wrote:@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

So no, no you're not reading, because that says that it's not charm who was tracked/potential RB.

##Vote Sirius for some major skimmings.

@AoG: Have you forgotten that we can't lynch betiko even if we wanted to? My understanding is betiko is just the messenger anyway and this is something the Dread Fort is privvy to. (Am I wrong? Correct me if I am). If you're really that distrusting of Betiko, demand his name as collateral.

Except for the fact that I said that I don't know if JAK targeted anyone n1/n2. Some people are scared to vigi shoot early in games because they don't have enough information. Maybe he did shoot someone and I shot someone else. I don't know.

Knowing Jak, he probably tried (or learned his lesson from CYOC3...)

27ninjabunnies wrote:I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

Army of GOD wrote:

27ninjabunnies wrote:I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

27ninjabunnies wrote:I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

IAmRobik wrote:

27ninjabunnies wrote:I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

I can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious

pretender77 wrote:Just to clarify for anyone I AM A MEMBER OF STORMS END. This is another strike for zivel correct?
fp cow
fp robik

IAmRobik wrote:

IAmRobik wrote:

27ninjabunnies wrote:I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

I can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious

Although it's funny that you and banks had to find and kill each other LAWL

Zivel wrote:Not the right place to talk about other games guys.

SiriusCowKing wrote:Oh gawd, yeah you're right, I miss read legion's post. I guess I might have miss read other stuff too. If no one else believes that charm is mafia, maybe she's not, maybe I'm just wrong. Anyone want to jump in before I remove my vote? I feel quite tired and confused right now so I will let you guys lead this, too many stuff going on.