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So, in my spare time, I've decided to write a book on the socially diverse superiority of European society over the Americas and the rest of the world. Forgive my ignorance on the subject but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for on google(or the right-wing nazis are most likely censoring my search results). I'm hoping for some good, verifiable facts to get this project of mine rolling. Below are some topics I'd like to go into depth on and I'd certainly appreciate other related topics you may offer up(I do plan on finishing up with a hard-hitting piece on the Man-Purse so, I'm one step ahead of ya ).

Anyway, here we go:

1. History of Black European Heads of State

2. History of Black European Military Generals

3. The Unwaivering Tolerance of Europeans Toward Other Races Throughout the Twentieth Century

4. How Europe Managed to Prosper Without Involvement in the Slave-Trade

Thanks

How much detail would you like on it? Kind of questions which could be given answers in a paragraph or a book.

lol...

5. Sense of humour generally more subtle than a socially awkward bulldozer ?

Titanic wrote:How much detail would you like on it? Kind of questions which could be given answers in a paragraph or a book.

Book form would be great but I'll take whatever you got, thanks

HapSmo19 wrote:So, in my spare time, I've decided to write a book on the socially diverse superiority of European society over the Americas and the rest of the world. Forgive my ignorance on the subject but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for on google(or the right-wing nazis are most likely censoring my search results). I'm hoping for some good, verifiable facts to get this project of mine rolling. Below are some topics I'd like to go into depth on and I'd certainly appreciate other related topics you may offer up(I do plan on finishing up with a hard-hitting piece on the Man-Purse so, I'm one step ahead of ya ).

Anyway, here we go:

1. History of Black European Heads of State

2. History of Black European Military Generals

3. The Unwaivering Tolerance of Europeans Toward Other Races Throughout the Twentieth Century

4. How Europe Managed to Prosper Without Involvement in the Slave-Trade

Thanks

Gorgeous!~
Love the memories of comments during past election that "America is racist if it doesn't elect a black president" (from a british poster here on CC) and me thinking, how about that last black Prime Minister?
What a joke. SO easy to criticize over the ocean through the internet.
Time to say, mind your goddam business Europe. zzzt.

well Europe is not a country so you should be more specific..

Are you using the United states one drop-rule when you say black?
Some african-americans and subsaharan africans have lighter skin than some berbers so you need to be more specific about what you consider to be "black".
You seem to be very fascinated by races as an absolute concept.. so it´s up to you to make definitions if you want to ask questions.

If you are talking about west africans from areas where most of the slaves came from then there wasn´t a lot of early contact.. mostly because of a desert called sahara.

Africans originating south of the sahara didn´t live in Europe before about 1100 afaik.
..but Berbers and other north africans had a large impact on parts of Europe in the first millenia.

There were not a lot of westafrican slaves in Europe - tiny Portugal being an exception for a century or so.
Most of Europe managed to "prosper" by using mainly european slaves or none at all.

4. How Europe Managed to Prosper Without Involvement in the Slave-Trade

easy they colonise almost all Africa-no need to transport Black people,because they come to africa,and take everything what its worth(goods) and tranport to europe .(Britain,France,Italy,Germany,Belgium-did i miss someon)
And also England its bigest Slave transporter to america, and they have big income from this job

Yes, if you think that Europe became rich because of slave trade then you are wrong.

The non-answer to questions 1. and 2. is that Europe didn´t have a large black population like the US, but I agree that it´s time for the UK and France to at least consider having a leader that is less than a 100% european.

Well, damn. Looks like my book on the socially diverse superiority of European society over the Americas is quickly turning into a pamphlet of the social acceptability of the European Man-Purse(which I think I'll leave to someone else).

Snufkin's post gives me a better idea though: a novel of european excuses.

Keep em' comin' snuffy...

HapSmo19 wrote:Well, damn. Looks like my book on the socially diverse superiority of European society over the Americas is quickly turning into a pamphlet of the social acceptability of the European Man-Purse(which I think I'll leave to someone else).

Snufkin's post gives me a better idea though: a novel of european excuses.

Keep em' comin' snuffy...

The excuse is that Europe does not have a large black population? Sound more like the actual true reason. USA has around 13% blacks, whilst Europe has 3-4% non-European population (which itself is predominantly Asian, not African). If you have less black people living in your country, and you have no real history of black people in the country then there is obviously less chance that a black person will become the head of government.

Btw, to #1, the industrial revolution (first and second) and colonialism.

Sounds more like you have an inability to imagine that things outside of your own country sometimes can not be measured by the same kind of rules. America isn´t the norm for the rest of the world - especially not when it comes to history.
Things are quite simply different. If that is an excuse then reality and history are excuses.
I´m not saying that there hasn´t been lots of violence or oppression in europe. There certainly has been and quite recently too. Europeans simply just didn´t have such a large minority of another "race" to oppress within their boundaries.

Like I already mentioned - I think you do make a strong point when it comes to the UK and France regarding representation of large minorities among politicians but those two countries are uhm.. something like 17% of Europe.

There are quite many of african descent in several european countries and some of their old homelands suffered because of colonisation but they didn´t actually create and build those new countries in the way that african-americans did the USA.
There just isn´t any comparable situation.

Our history is different, sorry
There´s your excuse.

You clearly aren´t interested in answers.
Thank god most americans aren´t as stupid as you.

snufkin wrote:You clearly aren´t interested in answers.

No, not really.

snufkin wrote:Thank god most americans aren´t as stupid as you.

Judging by the current state of affairs and the endless cavalcade of retards (here and just about everywhere else) stoking the boiler and willing to ride the express-train of good intentions to Shitville, over the cliff into oblivion, I'm gonna venture to say that most americans are far more stupider than I is.

For purposely irritating people...



+1 for HapSmo

HapSmo19 wrote:So, in my spare time, I've decided to write a book on the socially diverse superiority of European society over the Americas and the rest of the world. Forgive my ignorance on the subject but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for on google(or the right-wing nazis are most likely censoring my search results). I'm hoping for some good, verifiable facts to get this project of mine rolling. Below are some topics I'd like to go into depth on and I'd certainly appreciate other related topics you may offer up(I do plan on finishing up with a hard-hitting piece on the Man-Purse so, I'm one step ahead of ya ).

Anyway, here we go:

1. History of Black European Heads of State

2. History of Black European Military Generals

3. The Unwaivering Tolerance of Europeans Toward Other Races Throughout the Twentieth Century

4. How Europe Managed to Prosper Without Involvement in the Slave-Trade

Thanks

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are you making a point or not?

I think his point is that Europeans tend to lecture people in the US on race relations while not practicing good race relations in their own countries. At least, that's my impression.

In my opinion, I think this whole thing is a straw man, but whatever. I understand that England has problems with Pakistanis, Spain and France have problems with Arabs, and countries like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark don't have a non-white person, so I can understand hapsmo's point. Regardless, it's not like the US has been a haven for non-whites (I think in the current idiom of this country, Hispanics and Arabs have the most potential problems, not African-Americans), but, again, whatever.

thegreekdog wrote:I think his point is that Europeans tend to lecture people in the US on race relations while not practicing good race relations in their own countries. At least, that's my impression.

Well that's a rather silly point then.

If he thinks those "questions" are backing up his point, then he is retarded.

Snorri1234 wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:I think his point is that Europeans tend to lecture people in the US on race relations while not practicing good race relations in their own countries. At least, that's my impression.

Well that's a rather silly point then.

If he thinks those "questions" are backing up his point, then he is retarded.

I think the same thing (because of the whole straw man thing). That being said, I'm not sure I've read a post in here that talks about how European countries are better at race relations than the US.

HapSmo19 wrote:So, in my spare time, I've decided to write a book on the socially diverse superiority of European society over the Americas and the rest of the world. Forgive my ignorance on the subject but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for on google(or the right-wing nazis are most likely censoring my search results). I'm hoping for some good, verifiable facts to get this project of mine rolling. Below are some topics I'd like to go into depth on and I'd certainly appreciate other related topics you may offer up(I do plan on finishing up with a hard-hitting piece on the Man-Purse so, I'm one step ahead of ya ).

Anyway, here we go:

1. History of Black European Heads of State

2. History of Black European Military Generals

3. The Unwaivering Tolerance of Europeans Toward Other Races Throughout the Twentieth Century

4. How Europe Managed to Prosper Without Involvement in the Slave-Trade

Thanks

didn't idi amin declare himself king of scotland? he was also a general.

it's debatable how socially superior he was though.

I'm not sure what the last word is but this pretty much wins the thread for me.

Africans originating south of the sahara didn´t live in Europe before about 1100 afaik.

thegreekdog wrote:I think his point is that Europeans tend to lecture people in the US on race relations while not practicing good race relations in their own countries. At least, that's my impression.

I thought it was a reaction to a few things said in other threads, about health care, and gun violence, and how the majority of European nations fare far better than the USA in those respects.

I think he's just mad he keeps getting called a racist, and is lashing out at effeminate, cheese-eating Europeans who are calling him out on it. It's sad that he thinks "my daddy did it and so did yours" is a legitimate defense of his opinions, but we can all hope that someday he will learn that using history as a justification is ineffective as a convincing argument.

Neoteny wrote:I think he's just mad he keeps getting called a racist, and is lashing out at effeminate, cheese-eating Europeans who are calling him out on it. It's sad that he thinks "my daddy did it and so did yours" is a legitimate defense of his opinions, but we can all hope that someday he will learn that using history as a justification is ineffective as a convincing argument.

Yes, you are correct.

That being said, I will ask this question (I am not racist after all):

Is there any logical or moral basis for the presumption of the peoples of England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands to criticize the people of the United States, generally, on race relations?

thegreekdog wrote:I think his point is that Europeans tend to lecture people in the US on race relations while not practicing good race relations in their own countries. At least, that's my impression.

In my opinion, I think this whole thing is a straw man, but whatever. I understand that England has problems with Pakistanis, Spain and France have problems with Arabs, and countries like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark don't have a non-white person, so I can understand hapsmo's point. Regardless, it's not like the US has been a haven for non-whites (I think in the current idiom of this country, Hispanics and Arabs have the most potential problems, not African-Americans), but, again, whatever.

I beleive Sweden has accepted the highest number of Iraqi refugees in the western world or at least in europe.

thegreekdog wrote: That being said, I will ask this question (I am not racist after all):

Is there any logical or moral basis for the presumption of the peoples of England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands to criticize the people of the United States, generally, on race relations?

not realy, Europe and the EU in general don't accept as many imegrants as the US. However they might make the argument that attitudes are more accepting but I would also see this as false. European tend to be more ethnicly nationalist, in the US the lines are much blurier (by this I mean European Nationalism is tied to ideas of race not nesceseraly supperiority). So they fear their nationality eventualy disapearing or becoming a minority in their own country.

The U.K might be an exception they have accepted allot of different immigrants from all over the former empire, though I think their parliment is very much a white boy's club. I think in general though race isin't as politicised in europe so it can give the appearance of being more accepting since people don't talk about it so much.