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Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:06 pm
by Nobunaga
... From Boortz:

There is one thing that Democrats, Republicans and Independents can all agree on - the debt we owe is our greatest long-term threat to national security. By a two-to-one margin, (see link 1 below) Americans of all demographics and political parties believe that the amount of money we owe to China is now a greater long-term threat than radical Islam. They're right, but it's much worse than that. The level of debt facing this country will destroy the dreams of our children and grandchildren. It is hard to imagine that future generations will have the opportunity to pursue anything close to the lifestyle we enjoy as they are faced with this crushing debt to retire.

Just how bad is this problem? Read on .....

Last Friday, the Congressional Budget office released a report (see link 2) stating that our projected debt is actually going to be much higher than the White House predicted. Wow! Now who didn't see THAT coming? The CBO says that Obama's budget is going to lead to annual deficits averaging $1 trillion for the next decade. The White House's prediction was an annual budget shortfall of $853 billion for the next decade. Why the discrepancy? Obama expects to bring in more tax revenue. The CBO, on the other hand, does not believe the Obama economy will be able to generate the tax revenue because it expects less economic growth. In fact, the CBO predicts that the deficit will never fall below 4% of the GDP under Obama's policies and "would begin to grow rapidly after 2015."

(By the way, as of right now our predicted annual deficit for this year is $1.5 trillion - a post WWII record at 10.3% of our economy.)

But back to this report ... the CBO says that deficits of that magnitude would force the Treasury to continue borrowing at prodigious rates, sending the national debt soaring to 90% of the economy by 2020, while interest payments on the debt would also skyrocket by $800 billion over the same period.

Speaking of interest rates, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell puts our interest rates into perspective. He says, " ... in just four years the administration predicts the government will have to spend more just to pay interest on the federal debt than it spends on the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, HUD (Housing and Urban Development), Interior, Justice, Labor, State, Treasury, and the Corps of Engineers, Environment Protection Agency, GSA (General Services Administration), NASA, National Science Foundation, Small Business Administration and the Social Security Administration -- combined."



http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62385

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02974.html

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:28 pm
by Titanic
Majority of the budget is healthcare and the military. Either sort them out or raise taxes. Thats your two choices.

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:54 pm
by silent wind
Titanic wrote:Majority of the budget is healthcare and the military. Either sort them out or raise taxes. Thats your two choices.
nope... we're fucked fucked fucked! that's all there is to it. no body wants to give up their "benefits"

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:20 pm
by thegreekdog
Titanic wrote:Majority of the budget is healthcare and the military. Either sort them out or raise taxes. Thats your two choices.
FY2009 Spending
- Defense - $782 billion (23%)
- Social Security - $678 billion (20%)
- Medicare & Medicaid - $676 billion (19%)
- Other mandatory spending - $607 billion (17%)
- Other discretionary spending - $437 billion (12%)
- Interest - $187 billion (5%)
- TARP - $151 billion (4%)

FY2010 Spending

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Unite ... ral_budget

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:24 pm
by PLAYER57832
It all starts with sustainability. Sustainability is not as glamorous as unrestrained growth, means a more limited economy, but it is a permanent economy.

We keep going for the "boom" and then pretending we can just forget about the "bust".

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:45 pm
by rockfist
What the f*ck is "manditory spending?" The only manitory spending is on defense and a system of commerce (roads, bridges, airports and laws governing commerce). Everything else is the very fucking definition of discretionary, unless you are the recipient then its damn well sure "manditory."

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:35 pm
by Titanic
rockfist wrote:What the f*ck is "manditory spending?" The only manitory spending is on defense and a system of commerce (roads, bridges, airports and laws governing commerce). Everything else is the very fucking definition of discretionary, unless you are the recipient then its damn well sure "manditory."
From Greeks link.

* Mandatory spending: $2.184 trillion (+15.6%)
o $695 billion (+4.9%) – Social Security
o $453 billion (+6.6%) – Medicare
o $290 billion (+12.0%) – Medicaid
o $0 billion (−100%) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
o $0 billion (−100%) – Financial stabilization efforts
o $11 billion (+275%) – Potential disaster costs
o $571 billion (−15.2%) – Other mandatory programs
o $164 billion (+18.0%) – Interest on National Debt

Other will refer to everything other then top 3. Doesnt really help much really (minus national debt). Wierd that its gone down 15% in this FY, but my assumption is that it going to be mainly benefits and stuff like that. Money that is paid out without a budget roof (ie. its cost depends on how many people apply for it or are eligible for it) rather then the government allocating a certain amount of capital for it.

Thanks for the link Greek, 62% of spending from healthcare and military - with healthcare projected to increase exponentially in the years ahead.

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:46 pm
by Fischer08

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:21 am
by rockfist
Titanic wrote:
rockfist wrote:What the f*ck is "manditory spending?" The only manitory spending is on defense and a system of commerce (roads, bridges, airports and laws governing commerce). Everything else is the very fucking definition of discretionary, unless you are the recipient then its damn well sure "manditory."
From Greeks link.

* Mandatory spending: $2.184 trillion (+15.6%)
o $695 billion (+4.9%) – Social Security
o $453 billion (+6.6%) – Medicare
o $290 billion (+12.0%) – Medicaid
o $0 billion (−100%) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
o $0 billion (−100%) – Financial stabilization efforts
o $11 billion (+275%) – Potential disaster costs
o $571 billion (−15.2%) – Other mandatory programs
o $164 billion (+18.0%) – Interest on National Debt

Other will refer to everything other then top 3. Doesnt really help much really (minus national debt). Wierd that its gone down 15% in this FY, but my assumption is that it going to be mainly benefits and stuff like that. Money that is paid out without a budget roof (ie. its cost depends on how many people apply for it or are eligible for it) rather then the government allocating a certain amount of capital for it.

Thanks for the link Greek, 62% of spending from healthcare and military - with healthcare projected to increase exponentially in the years ahead.
I think you are missing my point.

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:35 am
by BigBallinStalin
BigBallinStalin may be recruiting sooner than expected.

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:01 pm
by Titanic
rockfist wrote:
Titanic wrote:
rockfist wrote:What the f*ck is "manditory spending?" The only manitory spending is on defense and a system of commerce (roads, bridges, airports and laws governing commerce). Everything else is the very fucking definition of discretionary, unless you are the recipient then its damn well sure "manditory."
From Greeks link.

* Mandatory spending: $2.184 trillion (+15.6%)
o $695 billion (+4.9%) – Social Security
o $453 billion (+6.6%) – Medicare
o $290 billion (+12.0%) – Medicaid
o $0 billion (−100%) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
o $0 billion (−100%) – Financial stabilization efforts
o $11 billion (+275%) – Potential disaster costs
o $571 billion (−15.2%) – Other mandatory programs
o $164 billion (+18.0%) – Interest on National Debt

Other will refer to everything other then top 3. Doesnt really help much really (minus national debt). Wierd that its gone down 15% in this FY, but my assumption is that it going to be mainly benefits and stuff like that. Money that is paid out without a budget roof (ie. its cost depends on how many people apply for it or are eligible for it) rather then the government allocating a certain amount of capital for it.

Thanks for the link Greek, 62% of spending from healthcare and military - with healthcare projected to increase exponentially in the years ahead.
I think you are missing my point.
Yer, probably.

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:25 pm
by bradleybadly
As far as messing up our kids' lives goes - mission accomplished

Now it's off to destroy any hope for the grandkids

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:33 pm
by nietzsche
by whom? don't tell me it was the priest again.

Re: Our Kids Are Screwed

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:41 pm
by BigBallinStalin
If this is actually does happen and also lead to bad times, then it may be a good thing since it would force the US government to consider which budgets are more important and which ones are less importantant. Perhaps it would lead to a less aggressive albeit less costly method regarding foreign affairs, but I really think that this is wishful thinking.