Conquer Club

We already have two forms of national ID in the US.

The first one is the one we are not supposed to use but use all the time: The Social Security number. Generally flawed and easily stolen.

The second one is the US Passport: Only needed by people who travel abroad, but since we now need them for Canada and Mexico I suppose more people have them than previously.

You forget the driving licence.
I am often asked for i.d. by jobswurfs when using a credit card, and on several occasions I have been refused alcohol for lack of i.d. - I'd like to think it's because they doubt I'm over 21, but if so then please just shoot their guide dogs.
Such people find it hard to believe that I don't have a driving licence. or any other photo i.d..

Guys, you're missing the point.

Some Paranoid Republican on FauxNews wrote:..which I assume will have some form of GPS tracking chip in it.

If these come in, Obama will know when you are sleeping. He'll know when you're awake. He'll know if you've been....


That's right. The president of the USA is trying to take Santa Clause's job.

jonesthecurl wrote:You forget the driving licence.
I am often asked for i.d. by jobswurfs when using a credit card, and on several occasions I have been refused alcohol for lack of i.d. - I'd like to think it's because they doubt I'm over 21, but if so then please just shoot their guide dogs.
Such people find it hard to believe that I don't have a driving licence. or any other photo i.d..

...not that I think I.D, is a good idea.

f*ck a national fucking ID. and yes, if they can put gps tracking chips in your fucking body... then they sure as f*ck will put it in your goddamn national ID. Starting to sound more and more like fucking nazi germany. "papers please..."

jonesthecurl wrote:You forget the driving licence.

Driving licences are given at the state level not at the federal level.

silent wind wrote:f*ck a national fucking ID. and yes, if they can put gps tracking chips in your fucking body... then they sure as f*ck will put it in your goddamn national ID. Starting to sound more and more like fucking nazi germany. "papers please..."

They already have this, only it's not "in" it's "on." It's called a cell phone.

I admit I've never been in Nazi Germany (my father was as a POW in WWII) but I think of all the problems of that government, the constant asking for your id by the authorities had to be the least of them.

tzor wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:You forget the driving licence.

Driving licences are given at the state level not at the federal level.

Good point. Being a Brit, i still tend to think of the "Government" as a single entity, I should know better by now.

silent wind wrote:f*ck a national fucking ID. and yes, if they can put gps tracking chips in your fucking body... then they sure as f*ck will put it in your goddamn national ID. Starting to sound more and more like fucking nazi germany. "papers please..."

Do you have a cell phone? Because as prolific as cell phones are, this is already done.

Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?

Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?

Nope, no passport. Papers please......

jay_a2j wrote:

Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?

Nope, no passport. Papers please......

And the rest of the world thanks you for that.

Timminz wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?

Nope, no passport. Papers please......

And the rest of the world thanks you for that.

Just for that I'm going to get one. Just for spite!

jay_a2j wrote:

Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?

Nope, no passport. Papers please......

I notice you didn't answer the second question...coward much?

I am for any technology that can make tracking criminals, murderers, rapists, child molesters, illegal aliens easier!

Also, I support RFID 100% in cases indicative to health and having hospitals be able to scan your "chip" and get instant access to all your medical history records immediately!

My mom just went into the hospital, and the clinic that she went to beforehand never wrote down that she had Valley Fever. So when she went to another hospital with terrible headaches, they didn't know what to do. We assumed that the hospital had the records...but they didn't! If my mom had a RFID, they could have known that she had Valley Fever and treated her accordingly. But instead she ended up with spinal meningitis and is STILL IN THE HOSPITAL! SHE ALMOST DIED!

So, I support any legislation that involves using RFID technology for health record purposes. If that comes in the form of a National ID..I am all behind it!

STOP BEING SO PARANOID!

And Christians really need to get over this "MARK OF THE BEAST" complex! Geesh!

if they allow this to happen we as a country wsill have no more freedoms..........

karel wrote:if they allow this to happen we as a country wsill have no more freedoms..........

What makes you believe anything would change if this were to happen? I'm referring to the fact that we've ALREADY lost our true freedoms, most people simply don't recognize it.

I too am curious as to how this will restrict our freedoms. It can only happen if they require us to carry the ID or actually put a tracking chip in it. We will know if they put a tracking chip in it.

john9blue wrote:I too am curious as to how this will restrict our freedoms. It can only happen if they require us to carry the ID or actually put a tracking chip in it. We will know if they put a tracking chip in it.

Yeah, but have you ever seen movies where somebody puts a tracking device on a character, and then the character knows or finds out that there is a tracking device; so the character takes the tracking device and tapes it to a mouse...we could do the same thing to the government! Wouldn't that be special?

john9blue wrote:I too am curious as to how this will restrict our freedoms. It can only happen if they require us to carry the ID or actually put a tracking chip in it. We will know if they put a tracking chip in it.

Yup. There wouldn't be a tracking chip in it, so it is about as much of a destruction of freedoms as a state ID or driver's license is now.

Frigidus wrote:
Yup. There wouldn't be a tracking chip in it, so it is about as much of a destruction of freedoms as a state ID or driver's license is now.

Source please? Everything I have read says there most likely will be an RFID chip in it.

CreepersWiener wrote:I am for any technology that can make tracking criminals, murderers, rapists, child molesters, illegal aliens easier!

Also, I support RFID 100% in cases indicative to health and having hospitals be able to scan your "chip" and get instant access to all your medical history records immediately!

My mom just went into the hospital, and the clinic that she went to beforehand never wrote down that she had Valley Fever. So when she went to another hospital with terrible headaches, they didn't know what to do. We assumed that the hospital had the records...but they didn't! If my mom had a RFID, they could have known that she had Valley Fever and treated her accordingly. But instead she ended up with spinal meningitis and is STILL IN THE HOSPITAL! SHE ALMOST DIED!

So, I support any legislation that involves using RFID technology for health record purposes. If that comes in the form of a National ID..I am all behind it!

STOP BEING SO PARANOID!

And Christians really need to get over this "MARK OF THE BEAST" complex! Geesh!

Or your mom could have just said to the hospital "I have Valley Fever; don't do anything stupid."

The RFID isn't going to make that previous clinic write down crucial information anyway.


Most people who are opposed RFID aren't paranoid or crazy. They're typically opposed to it because even though the RFID can be used for good purposes, the definition of who is good is largely in the hands of the government, and their decisions over such valuable information has no effective and/or clear oversight whatever. With the RFID, you're just easier to track down and keep more efficient records on, which is something that can be used against you without any "legal" justification whatsoever. All it takes is a small bribe or some kind of coercive activity, and one can find out much about anyone they like. That information can be used against them, which it will be for political campaigns, destroying people's reputations that the government deems as "bad," or just to make someone's life absolutely difficult in a more efficient manner.

No, thank you, sir. People who do support RFID aren't aware of the potential problems upon which will easily be exploited by the government and its certain agencies or highly influential individuals, who aren't government employees. And if they are aware, then they're either gullible or just typical indifferent, uninvolved Americans, who constantly fail to critically think about important issues.

If they somehow ARE allowed to put an RFID chip in the IDs, it will still not be dangerous unless they require the card to be used for things other than being employed or obtaining medical records (both temporary and optional). Somehow I imagine even the American people will know when this becomes an obvious takeover of privacy. I sure as hell will be paying attention to this.

jay_a2j wrote:

Frigidus wrote:
Yup. There wouldn't be a tracking chip in it, so it is about as much of a destruction of freedoms as a state ID or driver's license is now.

Source please? Everything I have read says there most likely will be an RFID chip in it.

Right, RFID chip, something with the range of no more than a few feet. They'll totally use it to track you from orbit. Unless you leave it at home...