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I'm doing Research on the dice system here on CC and i am needing players Opinions on what they think about the dice here on CC. Is it working, is it not working, things you've Notice about when you role the dice, the lagging at all, anything you think is useful.

Lord Apophis wrote:I'm doing Research on the dice system here on CC and i am needing players Opinions on what they think about the dice here on CC. Is it working, is it not working, things you've Notice about when you role the dice, the lagging at all, anything you think is useful.

I have records of total stats at various intervals over 600,000 attack rolls, would this help?

Yes... that might help...

Here are my stats


Attacker dice distribution Defender dice distribution
1s █████████████████████████ 1710 / 10191 (16.78%) █████████████████████████ 897 / 5316 (16.87%)
2s █████████████████████████ 1700 / 10191 (16.68%) █████████████████████████ 902 / 5316 (16.97%)
3s █████████████████████████ 1757 / 10191 (17.24%) █████████████████████████ 882 / 5316 (16.59%)
4s █████████████████████████ 1652 / 10191 (16.21%) █████████████████████████ 903 / 5316 (16.99%)
5s █████████████████████████ 1663 / 10191 (16.32%) █████████████████████████ 873 / 5316 (16.42%)
6s █████████████████████████ 1709 / 10191 (16.77%) █████████████████████████ 859 / 5316 (16.16%)

Battle Outcomes Actual Stats Ideal Stats
3v2 █████████████████████████ 642 / 582 / 463 (38.06% / 34.5% / 27.45%) (37.17% / 33.58% / 29.26%)
3v1 █████████████████████████ 984 / 530 (64.99% / 35.01%) (65.97% / 34.03%)
2v2 █████████████████████████ 15 / 19 / 23 (26.32% / 33.33% / 40.35%) (22.76% / 32.41% / 44.83%)
2v1 █████████████████████████ 102 / 72 (58.62% / 41.38%) (57.87% / 42.13%)
1v2 █████████████████████████ 0 / 14 (0% / 100%) (25.46% / 74.54%)
1v1 █████████████████████████ 45 / 67 (40.18% / 59.82%) (41.67% / 58.33%)

Overall stats
Attacker threw 10191 dice.
Defender threw 5316 dice.
Wins / Ties / Loses █████████████████████████ 1788 / 601 / 1169
█████ Attacker wins
█████ Attacker wins 1, defender wins 1
█████ Defender wins

Dice are amazing. I have the best dice on the whole site. Except Masli

Aug 13 2008
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 5178 / 28220 (18.35%) - 2151 / 13378 (16.08%)
2s 4704 / 28220 (16.67%) - 2178 / 13378 (16.28%)
3s 4806 / 28220 (17.03%) - 2218 / 13378 (16.58%)
4s 4558 / 28220 (16.15%) - 2198 / 13378 (16.43%)
5s 4538 / 28220 (16.08%) - 2245 / 13378 (16.78%)
6s 4436 / 28220 (15.72%) - 2388 / 13378 (17.85%)

Aug 23 2008
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 5670 / 31001 (18.29%) - 2351 / 14539 (16.17%)
2s 5165 / 31001 (16.66%) - 2351 / 14539 (16.17%)
3s 5273 / 31001 (17.01%) - 2416 / 14539 (16.62%)
4s 5019 / 31001 (16.19%) - 2393 / 14539 (16.46%)
5s 4994 / 31001 (16.11%) - 2428 / 14539 (16.70%)
6s 4880 / 31001 (15.74%) - 2600 / 14539 (17.88%)

Sept 1 2008
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 6052 / 33567 (18.03%) - 2610 / 16104 (16.21%)
2s 5612 / 33567 (16.72%) - 2614 / 16104 (16.23%)
3s 5854 / 33567 (17.44%) - 2707 / 16104 (16.81%)
4s 5414 / 33567 (16.13%) - 2647 / 16104 (16.44%)
5s 5374 / 33567 (16.01%) - 2672 / 16104 (16.59%)
6s 5261 / 33567 (15.67%) - 2854 / 16104 (17.72%)

Sept 26 2008
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 7014 / 40009 (17.53%) - 3259 / 19967 (16.32%)
2s 6726 / 40009 (16.81%) - 3273 / 19967 (16.39%)
3s 6770 / 40009 (16.92%) - 3356 / 19967 (16.81%)
4s 6585 / 40009 (16.46%) - 3332 / 19967 (16.69%)
5s 6517 / 40009 (16.29%) - 3325 / 19967 (16.65%)
6s 6397 / 40009 (15.99%) - 3422 / 19967 (17.14%)

Dec 18 2008
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 11921 / 112001 (17.01%) - 6782 / 63901 (16.80%)
2s 11618 / 112001 (16.82%) - 6491 / 63901 (16.34%)
3s 11624 / 112001 (16.87%) - 6354 / 63901 (16.78%)
4s 11390 / 112001 (16.11%) - 6440 / 63901 (16.47%)
5s 11211 / 112001 (16.41%) - 6381 / 63901 (16.67%)
6s 11169 / 112001 (16.78%) - 6797 / 63901 (16.94%)

10 July 2009
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 40607 / 239854 (16.93%) - 21866 / 131488 (16.63%)
2s 40559 / 239854 (16.91%) - 21551 / 131488 (16.39%)
3s 39816 / 239854 (16.60%) - 21709 / 131488 (16.51%)
4s 39408 / 239854 (16.43%) - 21853 / 131488 (16.62%)
5s 39720 / 239854 (16.56%) - 22300 / 131488 (16.96%)
6s 39744 / 239854 (16.57%) - 22209 / 131488 (16.89%)

Feb 14 2010
Attack dice distribution - Defender dice distribution
1s 55607 / 329854 (16.86%) - 29366 / 176488 (16.64)
2s 55559 / 329854 (16.84%) - 29351 / 176488 (16.63)
3s 54816 / 329854 (16.62%) - 29209 / 176488 (16.55)
4s 54408 / 329854 (16.49%) - 29353 / 176488 (16.63)
5s 54720 / 329854 (16.59%) - 29800 / 176488 (16.89)
6s 54744 / 329854 (16.60%) - 29409 / 176488 (16.66)

At one point, I had almost a million rolls recorded. I lost the info, but I may have posted it at some point. I'll check, and get back to you.

Edit- here's one with 788,055 dice recorded.


And another, with 1,050,879 dice recorded. Unfortunately this one is only the battle outcomes.


Hope this helps.

i have the worst dice on cc Once lost 44v4 and i lost 42 and killed 2

Boy those dice look fairly random and in line with what you'd expect over time. Who would've thought it?

LFAW wrote:Rabbits are amazing. I have the best Rabbits on the whole site. Except Masli

Huh

my dice area amazing and i have no reason to complain at all

jakewilliams wrote:Boy those dice look fairly random and in line with what you'd expect over time. Who would've thought it?

Actually if you look at the general who posted, you'll see in 4 out of 7 tables he threw over 17% 6s and under 17% 1-5s. In 5 out of 7 tables, 6 was his most frequent throw. In all the tables, 6 did not fall below 2nd most frequent. Pretty good, eh?
Compare that with the major who posted - 6 was his least frequent throw.
Looks to me like a very clear correlation between throwing 6s and achieving high rank.
Far be it from me to suggest that high ranks have bribed their way to the top and there are underhand things going on with the dice, but I think some thorough investigation of this often overlooked issue might yield some surprising results to the benefit of the community as a whole.

everyone has says he has the best dice. but I REALLY have
who can top 38,73% double kills on 3vs2 and 67,81% wins on 3 vs 1???
I roll 5s + 6s more than anything else! my opponent rolls 1s more than anything else


Attacker dice distribution Defender dice distribution
1s █████████████████████████ 4911 / 29462 (16.67%) █████████████████████████ 2659 / 15488 (17.17%)
2s █████████████████████████ 4889 / 29462 (16.59%) █████████████████████████ 2609 / 15488 (16.85%)
3s █████████████████████████ 4904 / 29462 (16.65%) █████████████████████████ 2564 / 15488 (16.55%)
4s █████████████████████████ 4724 / 29462 (16.03%) █████████████████████████ 2539 / 15488 (16.39%)
5s █████████████████████████ 5021 / 29462 (17.04%) █████████████████████████ 2578 / 15488 (16.65%)
6s █████████████████████████ 5013 / 29462 (17.02%) █████████████████████████ 2539 / 15488 (16.39%)

Battle Outcomes Actual Stats Ideal Stats
3v2 █████████████████████████ 1991 / 1676 / 1474 (38.73% / 32.6% / 28.67%) (37.17% / 33.58% / 29.26%)
3v1 █████████████████████████ 2924 / 1388 (67.81% / 32.19%) (65.97% / 34.03%)
2v2 █████████████████████████ 26 / 46 / 65 (18.98% / 33.58% / 47.45%) (22.76% / 32.41% / 44.83%)
2v1 █████████████████████████ 179 / 122 (59.47% / 40.53%) (57.87% / 42.13%)
1v2 █████████████████████████ 25 / 67 (27.17% / 72.83%) (25.46% / 74.54%)
1v1 █████████████████████████ 51 / 84 (37.78% / 62.22%) (41.67% / 58.33%)

Overall stats
Attacker threw 29462 dice.
Defender threw 15488 dice.
Wins / Ties / Loses █████████████████████████ 5196 / 1722 / 3200
Overall expected results █████████████████████████ 49.82% / 17.5% / 32.69%
█████ Attacker wins
█████ Attacker wins 1, defender wins 1
█████ Defender wins

Lord Apophis wrote:the lagging at all

I've noticed that if I have BOB running, and use Assault (not Auto-Assault), a losing roll will lag about 3 seconds while a winning roll doesn't lag at all. I know the outcomes of the rolls before CC even shows me my virtual dice.

I had an auto attack 22v56 today win--I want dice like that all the time

denominator wrote:

Lord Apophis wrote:the lagging at all

I've noticed that if I have BOB running, and use Assault (not Auto-Assault), a losing roll will lag about 3 seconds while a winning roll doesn't lag at all. I know the outcomes of the rolls before CC even shows me my virtual dice.

I have noticed the exact same thing with mine. 2-3 sec lag is always a loss for me, but there's no lag when I win the assault.

Very very strange indeed

HighlanderAttack wrote:I had an auto attack 22v56 today win--I want dice like that all the time

lmao your opponent was pissed

mgconstruction wrote:

denominator wrote:

Lord Apophis wrote:the lagging at all

I've noticed that if I have BOB running, and use Assault (not Auto-Assault), a losing roll will lag about 3 seconds while a winning roll doesn't lag at all. I know the outcomes of the rolls before CC even shows me my virtual dice.

I have noticed the exact same thing with mine. 2-3 sec lag is always a loss for me, but there's no lag when I win the assault.

Very very strange indeed

Same here... though I don't always win the assault when I don't lag. But if I do, I almost always lose.

Same here - I assumed this was more likely to be in some way related to the display of the graphics rather than the actual calculation of the dice. It's a new phenomenon too I think -started in the last 6 months or so.

laughingcavalier wrote:Same here - I assumed this was more likely to be in some way related to the display of the graphics rather than the actual calculation of the dice. It's a new phenomenon too I think -started in the last 6 months or so.

Actually I think jiminski mentioned the very same thing way back....perhaps as far back as 2008

Lord Apophis wrote:I'm doing Research on the dice system here on CC and i am needing players Opinions on what they think about the dice here on CC. Is it working, is it not working, things you've Notice about when you role the dice, the lagging at all, anything you think is useful.

I use to think like you. But after playing about 1500 turns a day for 5 days in a row. I would have to say the dice are even. They jsut are. They suck for both sides at times. The are mostly just average. I would say it seems the attacker has an advantage. But overall its fair.

I use to think like you. But after playing about 1500 turns a day for 5 days in a row. I would have to say the dice are even. They jsut are. They suck for both sides at times. The are mostly just average. I would say it seems the attacker has an advantage. But overall its fair.[/quote]


I really think i have found something with the Lagging though...

my advice, and what Ive been asking ppl to do.. Just log it in excel (all your rolls, up to a statistically relevant power) . It should make a nice pattern. And when you plug it into SAS , sas will tell you 100% without a doubt whether there is something amiss .

Already been doing that... Im just taking peoples stats and trying to see if anything is wrong...