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Ok, maybe its not correct to say it like that, but people from different states or locations say it differently. I think I hear it more often the way she said it than the other way.

Jennybh wrote:Ok, maybe its not correct to say it like that, but people from different states or locations say it differently. I think I hear it more often the way she said it than the other way.

Maybe it's not correct? And in a speech rebutting criticism of her knowledge regarding nuclear power?

Well it doesn't matter how you say it! I aced trig, calc, and physics without knowing what csc or the symbol theta were called. I just didn't pay much attention to pronunciation. But I knew what they meant and how to use them!
Anyway, she wasn't claiming to know much about nuclear power. She was just pointing out that Obama didn't know much more than her, and he is president. Its kind of like saying "Your one to talk!"

Jennybh wrote:Well it doesn't matter how you say it! I aced trig, calc, and physics without knowing what csc or the symbol theta were called. I just didn't pay much attention to pronunciation. But I knew what they meant and how to use them!
Anyway, she wasn't claiming to know much about nuclear power. She was just pointing out that Obama didn't know much more than her, and he is president. Its kind of like saying "Your one to talk!"

He seems to be able to pronounce the word. I'd say that's a step up.

I believe the prez has more experts advising him on nuclear weapons
than she does and Sarah should know by now that there is only one
U in the word and learn how to pronounce it.

Of course... the other word that has suffered a lot of abuse ever since
George Bush was elected prez is to. Which is not pronounced tuh.

Symmetry wrote:

Jennybh wrote:Well it doesn't matter how you say it! I aced trig, calc, and physics without knowing what csc or the symbol theta were called. I just didn't pay much attention to pronunciation. But I knew what they meant and how to use them!
Anyway, she wasn't claiming to know much about nuclear power. She was just pointing out that Obama didn't know much more than her, and he is president. Its kind of like saying "Your one to talk!"

He seems to be able to pronounce the word. I'd say that's a step up.

Yougottabefuckingkiddingme. A step up to what? I grew up in California - coupons is pronounced "kyoopons" there for some odd reason. I now live in Louisiana where they pronounce it "koopons". You would probably draw the conclusion from this that Californians are less literate than Louisianans. Good luck with that.


Honibaz

Jennybh wrote:Ok, maybe its not correct to say it like that, but people from different states or locations say it differently. I think I hear it more often the way she said it than the other way.

If you're going to criticize the President's nuclear policy, you're going to want to sound as if you know what you're talking about. Mis-pronouncing the very word that the policy is about is NOT going to give the impression that you want to give. Regardless of the validity or non-validity of her statements, she's going to immediately cause a hefty share of Americans to tune her out because of the mispronunciation. I'm not saying it's right, because it isn't...but it is reality, unfortunately.

Woodruff wrote:it is reality

It will always be difficult to sell yourself as an expert on any topic of debate when you can't even be bothered to pronounce the word that is the focus of the discussion correctly. Do you think she knows more about this issue because she can see Russian nuclear weapons from her house?

Jennybh wrote: Its kind of like saying "Your one to talk!"

Jennybh wrote:"Your one to talk!"

Jennybh wrote:Your

You're doing it wrong.

b.k. barunt wrote:Yougottabefuckingkiddingme. A step up to what? I grew up in California - coupons is pronounced "kyoopons" there for some odd reason. I now live in Louisiana where they pronounce it "koopons". You would probably draw the conclusion from this that Californians are less literate than Louisianans. Good luck with that.


Honibaz

THE VALID COMPARISON THREAD.

pimpdave wrote:You're doing it wrong.

Whatever. Good comeback.

Just saying that most people in my region say it like she did. Dialect. You should care more about the meaning of what a person is saying.

b.k. barunt wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Jennybh wrote:Well it doesn't matter how you say it! I aced trig, calc, and physics without knowing what csc or the symbol theta were called. I just didn't pay much attention to pronunciation. But I knew what they meant and how to use them!
Anyway, she wasn't claiming to know much about nuclear power. She was just pointing out that Obama didn't know much more than her, and he is president. Its kind of like saying "Your one to talk!"

He seems to be able to pronounce the word. I'd say that's a step up.

Yougottabefuckingkiddingme. A step up to what? I grew up in California - coupons is pronounced "kyoopons" there for some odd reason. I now live in Louisiana where they pronounce it "koopons". You would probably draw the conclusion from this that Californians are less literate than Louisianans. Good luck with that.


Honibaz

That's a bit misleading- I don't think that she mispronounces the word because she's Alaskan, or that all Alaskans mispronounce the word. I suspect the cause to be personal ignorance on her part.

Maybe its like the word "often". It seems like tons of people say the "t", but thats wrong! Its silent!!! Pronunciation of words changes. Soon it will be correct to say the t.

Jennybh wrote:Maybe its like the word "often". It seems like tons of people say the "t", but thats wrong! Its silent!!! Pronunciation of words changes. Soon it will be correct to say the t.

The problem is that there really isn't a variety of acceptable ways to say the word "nuclear", or at least I don't believe "nyookular" is in any sense as valid as the accepted way, and I don't believe that dialect really explains her pronunciation.

I think you'd be perfectly right to call me out if she just mispronounced the word in casual conversation. Everyone makes mistakes, after all. But the context is what really makes this funny. A (presumably scripted) speech in which she attacks Obama's supposed ignorance of nuclear issues.

Damn community organizer president!

Also, f*ck israel. Stupidest damn thing ever to support their actions.

Jennybh wrote:Maybe its like the word "often". It seems like tons of people say the "t", but thats wrong! Its silent!!! Pronunciation of words changes. Soon it will be correct to say the t.

You REALLY, REALLY should just stop with the comparisons. Your first one was painfully stupid. This one is just painfully wrong. Since at least 1982 (the production date of one of my dictionaries), it has been acceptable to pronounce the word "often" with the t-sound.

If it helps, and if you can read it:

The OED supports both readings of "Often" in the UK and the US.
Here- but you'll likely need a subscription

I'd copy paste, but the phonetic characters aren't supported.

Nuclear doesn't list the Palin version as a pronunciation:

Here

Symmetry wrote:If it helps, and if you can read it:

The OED supports both readings of "Often" in the UK and the US.
Here- but you'll likely need a subscription

I'd copy paste, but the phonetic characters aren't supported.

Nuclear doesn't list the Palin version as a pronunciation:

Here

I think I just figured it out...jennybh IS PALIN. It makes sense now.

Woodruff wrote:

Symmetry wrote:If it helps, and if you can read it:

The OED supports both readings of "Often" in the UK and the US.
Here- but you'll likely need a subscription

I'd copy paste, but the phonetic characters aren't supported.

Nuclear doesn't list the Palin version as a pronunciation:

Here

I think I just figured it out...jennybh IS PALIN. It makes sense now.

That makes sense. It certainly backs up her claims on US defense policy if she's invaded Russia from Alaska a lot.

Sarah Palin drives me almost as nuts as Obama does. Fame has ruined her. I wouldn't vote for her if there were any reasonably good opponents. But where I come from, "Nookular" is the most common of two ways of saying it. I'm not really sure what I say. I think "Noo-clee-ar", but I might say it the other way too.

P.S.

No: often | Yes: ofen
We have mastered the spelling of this word so well, its spelling influences the pronunciation: DON'T pronounce the [t]! This is an exception to the rule that spelling helps pronunciation.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html

Often AWF-in or AHF-in. Do not pronounce the t.

http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/beastly/#Often
This is what I was taught in school. It's like castle, glisten, or soften.

Jennybh wrote:Sarah Palin drives me almost as nuts as Obama does. Fame has ruined her. I wouldn't vote for her if there were any reasonably good opponents. But where I come from, "Nookular" is the most common of two ways of saying it. I'm not really sure what I say. I think "Noo-clee-ar", but I might say it the other way too.

P.S.

No: often | Yes: ofen
We have mastered the spelling of this word so well, its spelling influences the pronunciation: DON'T pronounce the [t]! This is an exception to the rule that spelling helps pronunciation.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html

Often AWF-in or AHF-in. Do not pronounce the t.

http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/beastly/#Often
This is what I was taught in school. It's like castle, glisten, or soften.

As opposed to...you know...using an actual dictionary. Things are becoming more clear in this discussion. You believe strongly in the accuracy of Wikipedia too, don't you?

What you all seem to be missing is the whole political image spin thing. Don't you think that with all the PR advisors at hand, someone would've caught it and corrected it?

Palin's main draw is her downhomeregulargal image. Mispronouncing a word or two hurts her as much as Bush's phony Texas accent hurt him. Those working class tards eat that shit up. Hell, that's probably the first time in her life that she said it that way - her advisors probably coached her to do so.


Honibaz

In any event, it's an extremely common mispronunciation because the correct pronunciation is a little awkward to say. OK, on a 1 -- 10 tongue-twister scale it's a 0.5, but the common mis-pro rolls off the tongue easier.