Conquer Club

Accused:

alstergren




The accused are suspected of:

Farming



Game number(s):

Game 7039479
Game 7038028
Game 7037462
Game 7034075
Game 7030293
Game 7029022
Game 7028993
Game 7028644
Game 7028286
Game 7028285
Game 7028270
Game 7028269
Game 7027714
Game 7025089
Game 7025039
Game 7022352
Game 7020155
Game 7019108
Game 7019101
Game 7019099
Game 7018559
Game 7018555
Game 7014839
Game 7014419
Game 7012721
Game 7012236
Game 7009978
Game 7009447
Game 7008868
Game 7008860
Game 7002514
Game 6998519
Game 7065354
Game 7065353
Game 7063718
Game 7059290
Game 7048128
Game 7048112
Game 7045831
Game 7045790
Game 7045789
Game 7045345
Game 7044676
Game 7044578
Game 7042752
Game 7040505
Game 7040387
Game 7040374
Game 7040359
Game 7040316
Game 7040309
Game 7040306
Game 7040304
Game 7040303



Comments:
I know farming is considered as high ranks bullying new recruits for the little points they can get out of them, but youre only a new recruit for 5games, so the term farming should get a new meaning since high ranks can also farm points from low ranks

as you can see, Ive added a high number of games ... they all are games where alstergren joined a 1v1 game which was made by a low rank(highest rank is a Corporal 1st Class). the rest of his games were all 4players+ or a few 1v1s he made vs a captain ...

this is only from the first page tough ... I didnt bother on checking the 81other pages since there is plenty enough evidence on the first page.

The hunters cant do anything against this, as farming is only considered against new recruits and new recruits only. Check the several C&A threads about Gen.LeeGettinhed. You can join the large population against this type of thing as well, but until there is a definate change in the rules, he's completely within the rules with these games.

Gold Knight wrote:The hunters cant do anything against this, as farming is only considered against new recruits and new recruits only. Check the several C&A threads about Gen.LeeGettinhed. You can join the large population against this type of thing as well, but until there is a definate change in the rules, he's completely within the rules with these games.

ok, i agree with your statement, but after checking 10/82pages of his game, ive came up with these
Game 7040304
Game 6990184
Game 6964481
Game 6759256
Game 6640723
Game 6639701
Game 6633689
Game 6540549
Game 6485771
Game 6276555

he joins games with new recruits in these games ...
and for the first 54game i posted, some of those people could have been new recruits when that game occured ... but these 10games are proof of him farming new recruits

support81ghent wrote:

Gold Knight wrote:The hunters cant do anything against this, as farming is only considered against new recruits and new recruits only. Check the several C&A threads about Gen.LeeGettinhed. You can join the large population against this type of thing as well, but until there is a definate change in the rules, he's completely within the rules with these games.

ok, i agree with your statement, but after checking 10/82pages of his game, ive came up with these
Game 7040304
Game 6990184
Game 6964481
Game 6759256
Game 6640723
Game 6639701
Game 6633689
Game 6540549
Game 6485771
Game 6276555

he joins games with new recruits in these games ...
and for the first 54game i posted, some of those people could have been new recruits when that game occured ... but these 10games are proof of him farming new recruits

That list is not enough games to be considered farming here at CC.

I am pretty sure most people join at least 10 games with a NR within 4 months...


**Edit - I checked the first 7-10 games in your list, none were NR's, all just out of the NR stage

support81ghent wrote:

Gold Knight wrote:The hunters cant do anything against this, as farming is only considered against new recruits and new recruits only. Check the several C&A threads about Gen.LeeGettinhed. You can join the large population against this type of thing as well, but until there is a definate change in the rules, he's completely within the rules with these games.

ok, i agree with your statement, but after checking 10/82pages of his game, ive came up with these
Game 7040304
Game 6990184
Game 6964481
Game 6759256
Game 6640723
Game 6639701
Game 6633689
Game 6540549
Game 6485771
Game 6276555
he joins games with new recruits in these games ...
and for the first 54game i posted, some of those people could have been new recruits when that game occured ... but these 10games are proof of him farming new recruits

At 10 pages worth of games, 10 games is not proof of farming.

TheForgivenOne wrote:**Edit - I checked the first 7-10 games in your list, none were NR's, all just out of the NR stage

See Gen.LeeGettinhed.

Players will continue to play their way around the set rules, and they are still completely within the rules. Unless CC makes a stand and judges farming cases on a case-by-case basis, which would be the only way to truly block those that straddle the rules, then players will always continue these kind of methods.

Im not really sure if people enjoy putting in the effort of finding specific players to complete these tactics, but the point risk they take along with the effort it puts in makes it their choice to do, and more power to them if they truly enjoy winning against lowered competition. But nothing he's doing is against the present rules of CC.

Gold Knight wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:**Edit - I checked the first 7-10 games in your list, none were NR's, all just out of the NR stage

See Gen.LeeGettinhed.

Players will continue to play their way around the set rules, and they are still completely within the rules. Unless CC makes a stand and judges farming cases on a case-by-case basis, which would be the only way to truly block those that straddle the rules, then players will always continue these kind of methods.

Im not really sure if people enjoy putting in the effort of finding specific players to complete these tactics, but the point risk they take along with the effort it puts in makes it their choice to do, and more power to them if they truly enjoy winning against lowered competition. But nothing he's doing is against the present rules of CC.

I know who the man is dude. I've played with him before

Im just pointing out that his C&A cases were nearly identical to what we see here, and that he was not and will continue to be safe from rule infractions. No need to get "dude"ly on me, just commenting on the case...

Psh, i'll "dude"ly you whenever i want

But yeah, i bet sooner or later a suggestion is going to be brought up to stop this

TheForgivenOne wrote:Psh, i'll "dude"ly you whenever i want

But yeah, i bet sooner or later a suggestion is going to be brought up to stop this

Several already have. ConquerClub has made it crystal clear that it is not interested in stopping it.

Lol, should have made it clearer by what i meant.

Someone is going to bring it up again

Most of these games are seq... how is the hell is that farming?

Bruceswar wrote:Most of these games are seq... how is the hell is that farming?

Since when does it HAVE to be Freestyle?

If they're on Classic, or another VERY SIMPLE map, then I'm fine with it.

after reading all these replies, Ive came to the conclusion that CC doesnt have strict rules for farming, and that everyoen can just go hop on that invisible border ...
as it looks to me, the admins or whoever is assigned on making the rules, should put 'farming' at the rules section as well, so there is a clear border about this and so that abuser can get warned for this type of infraction ...

support81ghent wrote:after reading all these replies, Ive came to the conclusion that CC doesnt have strict rules for farming, and that everyoen can just go hop on that invisible border ...
as it looks to me, the admins or whoever is assigned on making the rules, should put 'farming' at the rules section as well, so there is a clear border about this and so that abuser can get warned for this type of infraction ...

I appreciate what you're saying, but having clear-cut definitions of farming would likely make it easier to evade sanctions.

if there are strict borders on the farming thing, you could evade farming easily ... becuase if you dont trespass the border, you arent farming anymore ...
and as of today, there are no strict borders, so you cant really trespass and certainly cant get sanctioned ...

there are strict borders...

lord voldemort wrote:there are strict borders...

which are ?

dont farm new recruits

lord voldemort wrote:dont farm new recruits

I think perhaps its the question of exactly how many games constitutes farming.

I myself assume its a few, and not just one in a while, but I dont think an exact definition of farming has been given...though I myself do not think there needs to be one. Im just pointing out that "do not farm" is hardly specific as you said it was.

Some could say joining any games with a new recruit is farming, others 3 games a month, and others 10 a month, or 5% of their games or 20% etc.

hang on...i think king a said something somewhere ill try and find it

lord voldemort wrote:dont farm new recruits

dont farm new recruits ...
you use the term farming in a try on explaining it ...
so it looks like you dont know what farming exactly is either?

once again fair enough lv this is not enough to be farming but the question that needs to be brought up is


how is he joining new recruit 1 v 1 games when there games are hidden from us

support81ghent wrote:

Gold Knight wrote:The hunters cant do anything against this, as farming is only considered against new recruits and new recruits only. Check the several C&A threads about Gen.LeeGettinhed. You can join the large population against this type of thing as well, but until there is a definate change in the rules, he's completely within the rules with these games.

ok, i agree with your statement, but after checking 10/82pages of his game, ive came up with these
Game 7040304
Game 6990184
Game 6964481
Game 6759256
Game 6640723
Game 6639701
Game 6633689
Game 6540549
Game 6485771
Game 6276555

he joins games with new recruits in these games ...
and for the first 54game i posted, some of those people could have been new recruits when that game occured ... but these 10games are proof of him farming new recruits

alstergren ha 8120 completed games so i would not call the sample you bring up here a big portion..
im sure i have 10 games against ?-marks aswell.. they had an awful tendency to join my feudal 4 player sunny adjacent assaingames for a while.. thankfully no more..

do you know how much alstergren would loose if he lost these games.. far worse case of "farming" out there..

support81ghent wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:dont farm new recruits

dont farm new recruits ...
you use the term farming in a try on explaining it ...
so it looks like you dont know what farming exactly is either?

search is your friend http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... =1&t=73745

eddie its possible but its not common knowledge nor will i teach you how