Conquer Club

You sure this isn't a staged film by PETA supporters?

That clip of the person banging the hamster on the table is...just wow.

A lot of times PETA tends to annoy me. But I agree...they do need to exist.

Animal cruelty, I'm against that. PETA, I'm against that too.

Army of GOD wrote:That clip of the person banging the hamster on the table is...just wow.

A lot of times PETA tends to annoy me. But I agree...they do need to exist.

That was staged. That close up was intentional. Do not put it past PETA to stage that stuff to get donations and support.

They have people to feed...

jefjef wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:That clip of the person banging the hamster on the table is...just wow.

A lot of times PETA tends to annoy me. But I agree...they do need to exist.

That was staged. That close up was intentional. Do not put it past PETA to stage that stuff to get donations and support.

They have people to feed...

"This doesn't conform to what I want to think, so it's fake."

Santa Claus doesn't exist, too.

EDIT: Know what PETA doesn't feed themselves with? Clubbed baby hamster. Or, as we carnivores call them, "Hot Dogs."

spurgistan wrote:

jefjef wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:That clip of the person banging the hamster on the table is...just wow.

A lot of times PETA tends to annoy me. But I agree...they do need to exist.

That was staged. That close up was intentional. Do not put it past PETA to stage that stuff to get donations and support.

They have people to feed...

"This doesn't conform to what I want to think, so it's fake."

Santa Claus doesn't exist, too.

EDIT: Know what PETA doesn't feed themselves with? Clubbed baby hamster. Or, as we carnivores call them, "Hot Dogs."

They feed themselves off of peoples generosity and decency. They have a staff they feed. Kinda strange that after that despicable act that animal was held up to the camera for a close up. THAT SHIT WAS STAGED.

I am not saying abuse does not exist. It disgusts me that people mistreat animals. This kind of staged propaganda is bull shit and is actually worse than what they are trying to stop.

Just like some liberal attitudes...

"He refuses to support every liberal agenda and organization and fall for obvious propaganda so I must try to twist his words and demonize him!" That kind of Bull shit attitude.

BTW. I do support People Eating Tasty Animals. I had a T-bone tonight. Great stuff!



BYE

Woodruff wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHU9T70YFJU

There are plenty of real and important issues to choose from..

Why waste time worrying about this?

GabonX wrote:

Woodruff wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHU9T70YFJU

There are plenty of real and important issues to choose from..

Why waste time worrying about this?

I worry about global warming, the environment in general, the coming water crisis, nuclear weapon proliferation, Islamic extremism, the global economy, and, among many more things, animal cruelty.

I do it all at once. But I'm an extraordinary person.

GabonX wrote:

Woodruff wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHU9T70YFJU

There are plenty of real and important issues to choose from..

Why waste time worrying about this?

That's like saying "I broke my leg, but I can't worry about that because I'm too busy worrying if I have cancer."

muy_thaiguy wrote:Animal cruelty, I'm against that. PETA, I'm against that too.

This.

Woodruff wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHU9T70YFJU

At first, I avoided watching the video. I have seen some of PETA's other stuff and some of it is pretty nasty.

Ironically, even though this is very obviously staged, it really points to the complete disconnect people have between how animals think and feel and live and how humans think and feel and live.


It does seem cruel, but it is life. Consider what would happen to those animals in the wild. Their death would hardly be as quick and easy as those shown here. The truth is that a hamster is a rodent, a prolific breeder precisely because it is the base of its food chain, it is designed to be the food for the other species.

The real truth is that if you put your hand in a bird cage, for example, even most pets will "try to get away". The truth is also that hamsters breed a great deal. The largest portion are actually raised as food for snakes and other meat-eating animals in zoos, pet stores and homes. The owners of those animals usually want the hamsters (or rats or rabbits, etc.) dead so they are less likely to injure the predator pet. The method shown doesn't seem real for a lot of reasons, most particularly that it would damage the animals too much AND is not very efficient. I mean, just tying the bag closed would do the job with far less effort.

The bad part of this story was less in how they were killed, more the dirty conditions in which they appeared to have been kept.

What this really shows is that we need to educate our kids more about the world around them, so that when PETA trots out its pictures of sheep that are utterly mangled and claims it is "typical" of what happens on sheep farms and therefore we should not wear wool, they will KNOW it is garbage. So that when they see videos like this, they will say "hey, if it is real, the company is stupid, and needs to change"..but not because it "kills poor defenseless hamsters".

what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.

in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

oddzy wrote:what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.

in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

True. Ironically, in that case I think the reason is pure horror. I forget where I read it (a story, not a sociological text or anything), I remember hearing about how mountain folk (Appalacia, Cumberlands, etc.) will mourn their dogs in a way they would never mourn even a child. When a child died, the women could cry, but the man was supposed to "stay strong", and go on with living. When a dog died, though, they could break down and cry real tears. The real truth was that they had to keep up that wall when it came to the children. In that tough life, one just could not take the time to stop or the whole family might have perished. If they allowed themselves to break down when a child died, then simply going on living would have been that much harder. I remember my grandmother talking about similar things in wartime.

But when it comes to animals, people are hardly consistant. People react to direct incidents to pets, when you get into the tertiary damage from, say clearing that nice patch of woodland (or grassland or marsh) to build that fancy new house, its "nothing". The truth is that building that house likely dooms a whole system of animals to slow deaths by exposure and hunger, never mind those that are directly killed.

jefjef wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:That clip of the person banging the hamster on the table is...just wow.

A lot of times PETA tends to annoy me. But I agree...they do need to exist.

That was staged. That close up was intentional. Do not put it past PETA to stage that stuff to get donations and support.
They have people to feed...

I definitely do NOT put it past PETA to stage something, because I tend to consider PETA in the same light as Greenpeace (which is NOT a favorable light). It's possible that it's staged. However, as far as the closeup goes...that's like saying that criminals videotaping their criminal activities (which happens all the time by these idiots) is also just "staged". Don't necessarily chalk up to staging that which can be explained as stupidity.

oddzy wrote:what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.
in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

I agree.

Woodruff wrote:

oddzy wrote:what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.
in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

I agree.

It's easier to characterize animals as helpless victims of crimes beyond their control than humans. Even when we know that there are incredible causative forces behind poverty, hunger, disease, etc. we still tend to believe that people have some sort of agency when it comes to these things. When it comes to puppies left behind in a hurricane, the fact that they had no part in the matter is really hard to dispute.

spurgistan wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

oddzy wrote:what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.
in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

I agree.

It's easier to characterize animals as helpless victims of crimes beyond their control than humans. Even when we know that there are incredible causative forces behind poverty, hunger, disease, etc. we still tend to believe that people have some sort of agency when it comes to these things. When it comes to puppies left behind in a hurricane, the fact that they had no part in the matter is really hard to dispute.

I don't believe children have some sort of agency against child abuse. But I understand your point.

I am also for the ethical treatment of animals; I've had pets, I didn't mistreat them. That being said, and far be it for me to try to tell others how to spend their money, but I believe the dollars contributed to PETA could be better spent on improving the condition of our own species.

thegreekdog wrote: I am also for the ethical treatment of animals; I've had pets, I didn't mistreat them. That being said, and far be it for me to try to tell others how to spend their money, but I believe the dollars contributed to PETA could be better spent on improving the condition of our own species.

My problem is that PETA just exaggerates and misstates things far too often. There is real animal abuse, but the Human society does a far, far better job than PETA. PETA is about the hype, not the work.

PLAYER57832 wrote:PETA is about the hype, not the work.

Not to mention that they're hypocritical assholes.

Also, pet lovers, did you know that PETA condemns you? Keeping animals for any reason, be it food, companionship, or work (for example, leading the blind) does not fall under their definition of "ethical treatment".

Timminz wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:PETA is about the hype, not the work.

Not to mention that they're hypocritical assholes.

Also, pet lovers, did you know that PETA condemns you? Keeping animals for any reason, be it food, companionship, or work (for example, leading the blind) does not fall under their definition of "ethical treatment".

Peter Singer's Animal Liberation is a pretty good book toward that end, agree with him or not (reluctant carnivore, less reluctant pet-owner)

Timminz wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:PETA is about the hype, not the work.

Not to mention that they're hypocritical assholes.

Also, pet lovers, did you know that PETA condemns you? Keeping animals for any reason, be it food, companionship, or work (for example, leading the blind) does not fall under their definition of "ethical treatment".

Did you hear that everyone?!?! Release your domesticated animals into the wild! See how they fare.

thegreekdog wrote:

Timminz wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:PETA is about the hype, not the work.

Not to mention that they're hypocritical assholes.

Also, pet lovers, did you know that PETA condemns you? Keeping animals for any reason, be it food, companionship, or work (for example, leading the blind) does not fall under their definition of "ethical treatment".

Did you hear that everyone?!?! Release your domesticated animals into the wild! See how they fare.

My Maine Coon Cat would shit himself...30 pounds and all of it chickenshit.

spurgistan wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

oddzy wrote:what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.
in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

I agree.

It's easier to characterize animals as helpless victims of crimes beyond their control than humans. Even when we know that there are incredible causative forces behind poverty, hunger, disease, etc. we still tend to believe that people have some sort of agency when it comes to these things. When it comes to puppies left behind in a hurricane, the fact that they had no part in the matter is really hard to dispute.

color me bad for thinking that two toddlers being beaten to death is beyond their control. i guess where i'm from, they're not so self-sufficient.

the puppy in question was not a hurricane victim...that being said, if i have space in my car for humans or animals in an evacuation situation - having been in an evacuation situation a handful of times in the last 6 years - i'll put a human in my car over an animal any day if the alternative is leaving the human behind. i'm crazee like that.

jefjef wrote:

BTW. I do support People Eating Tasty Animals. I had a T-bone tonight. Great stuff!



BYE

Me too, I had fresh trout on the BBQ tonight. I caught it myself and clubbed it to death with a rock before I tore the hook from it's still twitching carcass. Then it was "Off with it's head, out with the guts!" and home to the wife and kids. We had four of them. YUMMY!!!