Conquer Club

I just found this site today and it has got me interested.

However, i would like the communities advise; were can i find a game similar to this, but were turns are taken by the individual players almost instantly (i don't have to wait 24 hours)

what i am really looking for is a site / game which is like Risk (or is Risk... lol) which i can play there and then with other people online. Basically a real time strategy game.

much love

Ashr x

You can do that here.
Not sure what you have to do to qualify, but I think it's mainly get past the "?" rank.
Maybe you have to apy premium too, not sure.
BTW, welcome.

Art of War is the big competitor.

They've got all kinds of crazy game modes going on over there, perhaps they can offer what you're after?

Best of luck finding a game that works for you.

Ashr, you have two options. First, you can go to Live Chat and enter the Callouts section, and see if anyone wants to play a real-time game. They are standard games with 24 hour turns but the players agree to take them immediately.

Second, for only $25 you can upgrade to premium membership for an entire year. This grants you access to speed games (5 minute turns), unlimited games, private games (once you know more people) and the ability to reserve spaces in games.

Welcome
Jake

Ashr wrote:I just found this site today and it has got me interested.

However, i would like the communities advise; were can i find a game similar to this, but were turns are taken by the individual players almost instantly (i don't have to wait 24 hours)

what i am really looking for is a site / game which is like Risk (or is Risk... lol) which i can play there and then with other people online. Basically a real time strategy game.

much love

Ashr x

Well, this site is not Risk. However, speed games give you 5 minute turns instead of 1 hour turns. You do have to be premium. (other than occasional "specials") You can also go to callouts and ask for a "real time" game, but that is unofficial. People who respond in callouts usually stick by that (for a while, at least... generally after a half hour or so, its considered OK to say "sorry, gotta go"). However, that is all unofficial.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, this site is not Risk.

It totally is.

King Doctor wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, this site is not Risk.

It totally is.

No, it's not, because of copyright issues.

For an RTS, might I suggest Shogun Total War? Just slightly more intricate.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

King Doctor wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, this site is not Risk.

It totally is.

No, it's not, because of copyright issues.

Yes it is. I could take a Monopoly board, change the name of the streets, add a few extra squares and, instead of an old rich guy, put the Planters peanuts guy in his place and it would still be Monopoly.

Does CC give any money to Hasbro for their blatant theft of their intellectual property? Just curious...

darvlay wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

King Doctor wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, this site is not Risk.

It totally is.

No, it's not, because of copyright issues.

Yes it is. I could take a Monopoly board, change the name of the streets, add a few extra squares and, instead of an old rich guy, put the Planters peanuts guy in his place and it would still be Monopoly.

Conquer Club has multiple game styles (flat rate, no spoils, fog, assassin, terminator) and many maps that are designed by players here and no one else. Age of Realms, Waterloo, Fuedal, etc, etc, etc.. all go well beyond anything put forward by Hasbro. And they fully utilize the computer aspects of this site. This is not just a board game moved onto CC.

darvlay wrote: Does CC give any money to Hasbro for their blatant theft of their intellectual property? Just curious...

CC made a lot of changes, including eliminating a map that did look like Risk, etc. in order to avoid a lawsuit.
Originally, Hasbro saw this and other sites (many true copycats) as increasing interest. However, at some point, they were perhaps looking at making a commercial computer version themselves and began making "noise" about various sites. I believe CC either worked out an agreement or has avoided getting sued by making changes.

Truly, CC is not Risk.. it is much, much, much more.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

darvlay wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

King Doctor wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, this site is not Risk.

It totally is.

No, it's not, because of copyright issues.

Yes it is. I could take a Monopoly board, change the name of the streets, add a few extra squares and, instead of an old rich guy, put the Planters peanuts guy in his place and it would still be Monopoly.

Conquer Club has multiple game styles (flat rate, no spoils, fog, assassin, terminator) and many maps that are designed by players here and no one else. Age of Realms, Waterloo, Fuedal, etc, etc, etc.. all go well beyond anything put forward by Hasbro. And they fully utilize the computer aspects of this site. This is not just a board game moved onto CC.

darvlay wrote: Does CC give any money to Hasbro for their blatant theft of their intellectual property? Just curious...

CC made a lot of changes, including eliminating a map that did look like Risk, etc. in order to avoid a lawsuit.
Originally, Hasbro saw this and other sites (many true copycats) as increasing interest. However, at some point, they were perhaps looking at making a commercial computer version themselves and began making "noise" about various sites. I believe CC either worked out an agreement or has avoided getting sued by making changes.

Truly, CC is not Risk.. it is much, much, much more.

I love how you explained the concept of conquerclub to me like I have never even heard of the site before. That's some serious patronizing. Regardless, this site (which I like to call Risk on Steroids (C)) was borne out of an infringement of copyright material. Whatever. I'm still here playing it. I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

darvlay wrote:

I love how you explained the concept of conquerclub to me like I have never even heard of the site before. That's some serious patronizing. Regardless, this site (which I like to call Risk on Steroids (C)) was borne out of an infringement of copyright material. Whatever. I'm still here playing it. I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

If I was patronizing, its because you did not seem to understand. Saying Conquer Club is like risk is about like saying that Ann McCaffrey and Eragon need to pay the Tolkein estate royalties becuase they all are fantasies.

You can start with an original concept and then expand on it until it becomes your own. Might as well say CC should pay Monopoly or Yatzee royalties because it uses dice!

darvlay wrote:I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

I find it unlikely that they have, simply because if they had done so, they wouldn't likely be so afraid of Hasbro.

Woodruff wrote:

darvlay wrote:I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

I find it unlikely that they have, simply because if they had done so, they wouldn't likely be so afraid of Hasbro.

I'm pretty sure they have not. And yes, this game was born from the board game RISK, but no, it is not the same. As people have stated, things around the site were changed so that CC was not breaking Hasbro's copyright. Obviously CC along with every other risk-like site is right on the line between breaking the copyright and not, but they make sure that officially, they're not.

Copyrights are not all-encompassing. There is a point where they no longer hold. Otherwise, every dice game ever created would be breaking the copyright of the first dice game that obtained a copyright.

It's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. If we were all being totally honest with ourselves, CC is breaking the spirit of the law. The letter, not anymore (or at least they're trying to make sure they aren't any more )

PLAYER57832 wrote:

darvlay wrote:

I love how you explained the concept of conquerclub to me like I have never even heard of the site before. That's some serious patronizing. Regardless, this site (which I like to call Risk on Steroids (C)) was borne out of an infringement of copyright material. Whatever. I'm still here playing it. I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

If I was patronizing, its because you did not seem to understand. Saying Conquer Club is like risk is about like saying that Ann McCaffrey and Eragon need to pay the Tolkein estate royalties becuase they all are fantasies.

You can start with an original concept and then expand on it until it becomes your own. Might as well say CC should pay Monopoly or Yatzee royalties because it uses dice!

You are really grasping here. Your analogies are about as awful and illogical as they come.

Using music as an analogy, one can copyright a song and if that song is sampled to create another song then permission must be received from the original songwriter to publish the new song. However anyone can use a I-IV-V progression to write a song no matter how many millions of songs have the song progression and no one is stealing from anyone.

Conquer Club is not Risk. But pretty much everyone who likes Risk will like Conquer Club.

darvlay wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

darvlay wrote:

I love how you explained the concept of conquerclub to me like I have never even heard of the site before. That's some serious patronizing. Regardless, this site (which I like to call Risk on Steroids (C)) was borne out of an infringement of copyright material. Whatever. I'm still here playing it. I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

If I was patronizing, its because you did not seem to understand. Saying Conquer Club is like risk is about like saying that Ann McCaffrey and Eragon need to pay the Tolkein estate royalties becuase they all are fantasies.

You can start with an original concept and then expand on it until it becomes your own. Might as well say CC should pay Monopoly or Yatzee royalties because it uses dice!

You are really grasping here. Your analogies are about as awful and illogical as they come.

Using music as an analogy, one can copyright a song and if that song is sampled to create another song then permission must be received from the original songwriter to publish the new song. However anyone can use a I-IV-V progression to write a song no matter how many millions of songs have the song progression and no one is stealing from anyone.

Now you are catching on. CC is far enough removed from the original Risk board game that it does not infringe on copyrights.

That said, comparing it heavily to Risk is asking for trouble. Just having to prove this is court would take loads of time, money and complications. It doesn't really matter how confident CC is of winning, if Hasbro wanted to make life difficult, they very much could. They have, by-the-way done so and both won and lost on many "Monopoly" spin-offs that very much DO resemble the original, except with name changes. This site goes far, far beyond that.

I'm still not comfortable with the fact that the core of the 'Conquer Club' rules system is ported directly from the game Risk. Sure there's lots of pretty extra maps to use those rules on and a few extra features (like freestyle) that computers have enabled. But, at the very centre of all that has been extrapolated from, there's Risk.

Now I know that CC never paid for the license to use that piece of intellectual property, upon which all of its added IP rests, I feel somewhat concerned about the legality of this site.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

darvlay wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

darvlay wrote:

I love how you explained the concept of conquerclub to me like I have never even heard of the site before. That's some serious patronizing. Regardless, this site (which I like to call Risk on Steroids (C)) was borne out of an infringement of copyright material. Whatever. I'm still here playing it. I just hope the owners of this site have compensated the true creators of this game accordingly which it sounds like they probably have.

If I was patronizing, its because you did not seem to understand. Saying Conquer Club is like risk is about like saying that Ann McCaffrey and Eragon need to pay the Tolkein estate royalties becuase they all are fantasies.

You can start with an original concept and then expand on it until it becomes your own. Might as well say CC should pay Monopoly or Yatzee royalties because it uses dice!

You are really grasping here. Your analogies are about as awful and illogical as they come.

Using music as an analogy, one can copyright a song and if that song is sampled to create another song then permission must be received from the original songwriter to publish the new song. However anyone can use a I-IV-V progression to write a song no matter how many millions of songs have the song progression and no one is stealing from anyone.

Now you are catching on. CC is far enough removed from the original Risk board game that it does not infringe on copyrights.

That said, comparing it heavily to Risk is asking for trouble. Just having to prove this is court would take loads of time, money and complications. It doesn't really matter how confident CC is of winning, if Hasbro wanted to make life difficult, they very much could. They have, by-the-way done so and both won and lost on many "Monopoly" spin-offs that very much DO resemble the original, except with name changes. This site goes far, far beyond that.

That's not what my post was saying.

Bah. It doesn't matter.

This game is RISK. Bottom line. You can dress it up all you like and add more features to circumvent copyright infringement but when you get right down to it, this game is a rip-off of another game and the developers here should thank Hasbro for all the money they've made them.

Yea...

Conquer Club = RISK

The "classic map", 3 attacking DICE vs. 2 defending, "spoils", all three types of reinforcements, etc...

Just because there's fog of war, freestyle, nuclear spoils and different maps doesn't change that this site is literally a carbon-copy of RISK.

Not that I think it's a bad thing, it's just, you have to admit this is pretty much risk with "internet-friendly" options and more maps.

Army of GOD wrote:Not that I think it's a bad thing, it's just, you have to admit this is pretty much risk with "internet-friendly" options and more maps.

I do not see how anybody could reasonably disagree with this. It just seems so obvious.


What exactly is the status of these 'law suits' that I hear people talking about so often?

Army of GOD wrote:Yea...

Conquer Club = RISK

The "classic map", 3 attacking DICE vs. 2 defending, "spoils", all three types of reinforcements, etc...

Just because there's fog of war, freestyle, nuclear spoils and different maps doesn't change that this site is literally a carbon-copy of RISK.

Actually, it very much does.

Army of GOD wrote: Not that I think it's a bad thing, it's just, you have to admit this is pretty much risk with "internet-friendly" options and more maps.

i.e. it took the original concept of Risk and ran with it... far.

Or, do you seriously think that AOR, Oasis, Waterloo, Das Schloss, etc, with bombardments, Assassin and Terminator game types, fog, freestyle play, are truly "like Risk".

And, it does matter. Because copycats are copyright infringements. Spin-offs, such as the creativity shown here, are not.

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Or, do you seriously think that AOR, Oasis, Waterloo, Das Schloss, etc, with bombardments, Assassin and Terminator game types, fog, freestyle play, are truly "like Risk".

And, it does matter. Because copycats are copyright infringements. Spin-offs, such as the creativity shown here, are not.

Oh come on.

Now, I joined this site several years after its creation, but I am pretty sure none of those things you mentioned existed (minus freestyle) when this site first started.

I don't really know what we're arguing here actually. I guess it's that we see this site as RISK with a few customizable options and you see it as a site that's similar to RISK but completely different.

I'm not really keen on copyright laws, but I feel like if Hasbro was to still attack the site due to infringement, they'd still win. Think about it. Let's take the most basic ideas from this site.

1. Dice - 3 attacking vs. 2 defending - Anyone who's ever played RISK would notice this first about this site
2. Classic map - Same bonuses and territs - So they changed the graphics a little bit? Just because I put a frog hat on a kitty doesn't make it not a kitty.*
3. Spoils - Flat rate, escalating and no spoils - They are THE SAME EXACT THING from the game. So they added nuclear spoils. Whoopdee-doo. That doesn't change much.

Have you ever gone to a local grocery store where they sell a cereal called something like "Cocoa Spheres" but they are really just non-brand Cocoa Puffs? That is this site.

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Army of GOD wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Or, do you seriously think that AOR, Oasis, Waterloo, Das Schloss, etc, with bombardments, Assassin and Terminator game types, fog, freestyle play, are truly "like Risk".

And, it does matter. Because copycats are copyright infringements. Spin-offs, such as the creativity shown here, are not.

Oh come on.

Now, I joined this site several years after its creation, but I am pretty sure none of those things you mentioned existed (minus freestyle) when this site first started.

Age of Merchants was among the first.

The site was created originally not just as a site to play games, but a site where map developers could try their hand as well.

Army of GOD wrote: I don't really know what we're arguing here actually. I guess it's that we see this site as RISK with a few customizable options and you see it as a site that's similar to RISK but completely different.

I'm not really keen on copyright laws, but I feel like if Hasbro was to still attack the site due to infringement, they'd still win. Think about it. Let's take the most basic ideas from this site.

If they could, it would be a sad day, indeed. And.. I think the innovations that happen here are important.

Army of GOD wrote: 1. Dice - 3 attacking vs. 2 defending - Anyone who's ever played RISK would notice this first about this site
2. Classic map - Same bonuses and territs - So they changed the graphics a little bit? Just because I put a frog hat on a kitty doesn't make it not a kitty.*
3. Spoils - Flat rate, escalating and no spoils - They are THE SAME EXACT THING from the game. So they added nuclear spoils. Whoopdee-doo. That doesn't change much.

On classic, I agree. However, not on the rest.

Army of GOD wrote: Have you ever gone to a local grocery store where they sell a cereal called something like "Cocoa Spheres" but they are really just non-brand Cocoa Puffs? That is this site.

No, this is more like someone taking corn flakes and deciding to make Total or wheaties or almod crunch.

Army of GOD wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Or, do you seriously think that AOR, Oasis, Waterloo, Das Schloss, etc, with bombardments, Assassin and Terminator game types, fog, freestyle play, are truly "like Risk".

And, it does matter. Because copycats are copyright infringements. Spin-offs, such as the creativity shown here, are not.

Oh come on.

Now, I joined this site several years after its creation, but I am pretty sure none of those things you mentioned existed (minus freestyle) when this site first started.

I don't really know what we're arguing here actually. I guess it's that we see this site as RISK with a few customizable options and you see it as a site that's similar to RISK but completely different.

I'm not really keen on copyright laws, but I feel like if Hasbro was to still attack the site due to infringement, they'd still win. Think about it. Let's take the most basic ideas from this site.

1. Dice - 3 attacking vs. 2 defending - Anyone who's ever played RISK would notice this first about this site
2. Classic map - Same bonuses and territs - So they changed the graphics a little bit? Just because I put a frog hat on a kitty doesn't make it not a kitty.*
3. Spoils - Flat rate, escalating and no spoils - They are THE SAME EXACT THING from the game. So they added nuclear spoils. Whoopdee-doo. That doesn't change much.

Have you ever gone to a local grocery store where they sell a cereal called something like "Cocoa Spheres" but they are really just non-brand Cocoa Puffs? That is this site.

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nice frog.

I like this site. I would not want it to get a lawsuit from a giant like hasbro. Currently we are all using this site, so if you think it is illegal and stuff then gtfo. Hasbro isn't losing any money from it.. I didn't even know what risk was till I played on CC. So I went out and bought Risk. Hasbro has already warned CC and they had to take away Classic for a while. At this point Hasbro won't sue because it would be a waste of money. CC is close to being on grounds for lawsuit but it moves farther and farther away every month. So I'm just gonna keep playing some conquer club and have fun not worrying about if they are tearing off risk. Because I don't really care