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The very latest research shows that ketamine, an anaesthetic with hallucinogenic properties, can reduce the symptoms of depression quickly and effectively, and that MDMA (popularly known as ecstasy) can be beneficial to sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder when used in combination with behavioural therapy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/ ... al-illness

Ketamine? MDMA? If you want to get better, reach for the lazerzzz!

heavycola wrote:

The very latest research shows that ketamine, an anaesthetic with hallucinogenic properties, can reduce the symptoms of depression quickly and effectively, and that MDMA (popularly known as ecstasy) can be beneficial to sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder when used in combination with behavioural therapy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/ ... al-illness

Ketamine? MDMA? If you want to get better, reach for the lazerzzz!

Two of the best, that's for sure.

Timminz wrote:

heavycola wrote:

The very latest research shows that ketamine, an anaesthetic with hallucinogenic properties, can reduce the symptoms of depression quickly and effectively, and that MDMA (popularly known as ecstasy) can be beneficial to sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder when used in combination with behavioural therapy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/ ... al-illness

Ketamine? MDMA? If you want to get better, reach for the lazerzzz!

Two of the best, that's for sure.

Well one of them is one of the two of the best, that's for sure.

Ok, as an occasional pothead I certainly support legalization of cannabis and similar mild recreational drugs.

But when it comes to substances like MDMA and ketamine... they should be issued by prescription only, in a medical setting, as there are way too many fucktards who can't use such strong substances responsibly.

Ketamine when used in excess causes ulcerative cystitis. Some ketamine addicts have had their bladders removed because of the damage caused by chronic ketamine usage.

MDMA is a serotonergic neurotoxin when used in excess. Chronic use can cause severe depression.

So while chemicals like these can certainly have beneficial psychological effects when used moderately and responsibly (preferably in supervision of medical professionals) they are far from being safe.

MDMA got me feeling like a champion.

What about treating alcoholism?



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natty_dread wrote:
Ketamine when used in excess causes ulcerative cystitis. Some ketamine addicts have had their bladders removed because of the damage caused by chronic ketamine usage.

This sounds like something I have to pay for... I don't like that.

I support an individual's right to destroy his/her own bladder... but I don't support having to pay to fix the fucktard afterwards. I say if you blow-out your bladder with drug use then we should let you die.

Sorry...

Don't tell me to "be a christian" either... cause I ain't.

I am OK (barely) with helping people who have medical issues that are like accidents... but blowing out your own bladder via drug use in not an accident.

Well, actually the issue is a bit more complicated than that.

Would you also say that obese people should receive no medical care, and should just be left to die since they caused their obesity themselves?

Would you say that smokers who contract lung cancer should receive no care, because they caused the lung cancer themselves?

Would you also say that someone getting in a car accident shouldn't receive care, because who told them to drive so fast?

heavycola wrote:

The very latest research shows that ketamine, an anaesthetic with hallucinogenic properties, can reduce the symptoms of depression quickly and effectively, and that MDMA (popularly known as ecstasy) can be beneficial to sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder when used in combination with behavioural therapy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/ ... al-illness

Ketamine? MDMA? If you want to get better, reach for the lazerzzz!

They'll keep you voting for progressives too.

Timminz wrote:Lazy summer days
Like some decrepit land shark dumb luck squad dog lurk sicker diluted.
Last sturdy domino lean secluded.
Don't let stupid delusions lessen super-duty labor students dragnet lifer solutions.
Daddy loved sloppy dimension like son/daughter link.
Such determinated leopards.
Successfully disheveled.
Little soldiers developed like serpents despite life sentence ducking lemmings.
Some don't like sobriety's dirty lenses.
Some do.
Let sleeping dogs lie still.
Don't look so damn lackluster.
Suck defeat.
Lump sum damage?
Load, sample, delete.
Late Show, Dave Letterman, shitty diner lip slide, dutch.
Low self-discipline leaders see dead lung self-destruct.
Life sucks dickhead.
Lost summers display laminates showcasing divinity live, system definitive.
Liturgy soaked, depict lowly spectacular delight.

The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that throws around shitty liberal poetry.

jimboston wrote:blowing out your own bladder via drug use is not an accident.

No, but it sounds like the end to an awesome party.

HapSmo, get back in your gabba cage.

natty_dread wrote:Well, actually the issue is a bit more complicated than that.

Would you also say that obese people should receive no medical care, and should just be left to die since they caused their obesity themselves?

Would you say that smokers who contract lung cancer should receive no care, because they caused the lung cancer themselves?

Would you also say that someone getting in a car accident shouldn't receive care, because who told them to drive so fast?

I never said they shouldn't receive care.
They can and should receive care.
As much as they can pay for.

People who are overweight (aside from those fucks who can't get off their sofas) typically work. People who smoke also typically work. Yes and people who drive too fast usually work.

People who do so much drugs that they blow out their bladders typically are not part of the working class. Hence I am making an assumption that they don't have insurance that they pay for. Hence I have paid for their fucking care.

It is pretty simple actually.

It only gets complicated if you let it.

People who do so much drugs that they blow out their bladders typically are not part of the working class.

Source for this claim?

natty_dread wrote:

People who do so much drugs that they blow out their bladders typically are not part of the working class.

Source for this claim?

f*ck your source. If your read the whole post I noted that this was an assumption. You and your liberal friends can debate amongst yourselves the likelihood of this assumption (i.e. theory) as being valid or not.

I am talking about street drunks and druggies who blow out their bladders and livers... and then I wind up paying for the fix.

Please don't tell me this doesn't happen in large numbers.

I don't know where you are from... but living in a city and working with the Gov't in the drepressed areas of said city... I have seen it with mine own eyes.

That's my fucking source.

jim. have you ever taken an illegal drug?
interested of London

Pedronicus wrote:jim. have you ever taken an illegal drug?
interested of London

Possibly.

I am not saying all drugs that are illegal are bad for you.

Anyone with a brain knows that both alcohol and tobacco can both be worse for you than pot. (I say can because it depends on usage and age... psychedelics can be real real bad for people under 16-18.)

I went off (on a tangent believe it or not) about someones comment about paying for fixing the bladder of a junkie. Casual use of drugs does not make one a junkie.

heavycola wrote:

The very latest research shows that ketamine, an anaesthetic with hallucinogenic properties, can reduce the symptoms of depression quickly and effectively, and that MDMA (popularly known as ecstasy) can be beneficial to sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder when used in combination with behavioural therapy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/ ... al-illness

Ketamine? MDMA? If you want to get better, reach for the lazerzzz!

thats great advice for all guardian readers, but i thought just reading the guardian gave it's readers a hallucinogenic view of the world.

What is all this fixation with exploding bladders? Is that, like, a thing?

It's not a class thing. All conservatives do cocaine. Fact. It's the right-wing drug of choice. Unless you are rush limbaugh, of course, in which case your drug of choice is hillbilly heroin.

Good GAWD -- K has to be the worst drug I've ever taken and I have taken a fucking shitload. It left me drooing and weaving like a helpless zombie. The only thing I wanted to do was lay face down on the ground until I could remember my name again. NO THANKEE!

Mushrooms and marijuana, that's all I need. And if I could pick a third, coke - the drug of adults.

the only thing that's wrong with illegal drugs is that they, er, ..I've forgotten.

is that they, er, can be hard to find at 4am on a saturday morning?

Shrooms will b out here soon , got a field 1mile away from me cant wait

And lets not foget how good sex is on E

kernov wrote:And lets not foget how good sex is on E

I find that to be a lot of bullshit, personally. I've had bad sex on E as much as I've had good sex on E. The best sex, I find, is on the light buzz not the hard one. And, of course, with multiple buxom female partners.

darvlay wrote:

kernov wrote:And lets not foget how good sex is on E

I find that to be a lot of bullshit, personally. I've had bad sex on E as much as I've had good sex on E. The best sex, I find, is on the light buzz not the hard one. And, of course, with multiple buxom female partners.

Aye the best is comedown sex, or at least sex after you've finished eating your own mouth off and rolling your eyes at the disco ball.

are illegal!!! ....

that's what's wrong with illegal drugs