Conquer Club

soulja wrote:Am I missing the joke, i.e. is this a trap or something? I thought this map was fixed for more even play, but it is still exponentially(spelling) uneven I cannot begin to describe it. Which makes me wonder, did I stumble into bug/trap of some kind used by clans, when I entered a triples game on this board? Someone enlighten me, because this blows. Thanks!

rdsrds2120 wrote:

soulja wrote:Am I missing the joke, i.e. is this a trap or something? I thought this map was fixed for more even play, but it is still exponentially(spelling) uneven I cannot begin to describe it. Which makes me wonder, did I stumble into bug/trap of some kind used by clans, when I entered a triples game on this board? Someone enlighten me, because this blows. Thanks!

It's a tricky map, yes, but there is no joke involved. It'll take some analysis and probably BOB for someone to learn it quickly and efficiently, but even those alone cannot beat the effectiveness of good old practice. Play some more games on it, read the log, try and develop some tactics, and good luck!

-rd

soulja wrote:Yeah, but what good are tactics when one team starts the game with 24 and your team starts with a total of 13?

ryansigg wrote:I liked the change; it was better than nothing, but this map needs a complete revamp (there must be another forum full of complainers here somewhere) or someone else needs to take up the idea.

The massively uneven drops are what really get me.
This last game Team 1 started with 29 and we started with 15 (and I never seem to be on that lucky side, natch).

jefjef wrote:You missed his point. The drop - the drop - the drop. There is no balance to the map. The planes bonuses really need to be revamped.

DoomYoshi wrote:Just don't play it with less than 6 players.

DoomYoshi wrote:That's why it is popular for team games, since it is less likely that a player will start with a huge bonus. It is actually one of my favourite maps, and I can assure you that a bad drop can be overcome. Just don't play it with less than 6 players.

soulja wrote:Am I missing the joke, i.e. is this a trap or something? I thought this map was fixed for more even play, but it is still exponentially(spelling) uneven I cannot begin to describe it. Which makes me wonder, did I stumble into bug/trap of some kind used by clans, when I entered a triples game on this board? Someone enlighten me, because this blows. Thanks!

cairnswk wrote:The map was never meant to be totally balanced! It was meant to give those who get the "japanese" drop a better chance with more firepower to reflect the reality of what actually at Pearl Harbour i.e. the US got blitzed in an initial attack...
so if you take that idea and battle it out strategically, you might find that NOT always will whoever obtains the Japanese drop advantage win.
There are no bugs or traps. And good luck in future games, if you choose to play the map again.
Regards

gradybridges wrote:

cairnswk wrote:The map was never meant to be totally balanced! It was meant to give those who get the "japanese" drop a better chance with more firepower to reflect the reality of what actually at Pearl Harbour i.e. the US got blitzed in an initial attack...
so if you take that idea and battle it out strategically, you might find that NOT always will whoever obtains the Japanese drop advantage win.
There are no bugs or traps. And good luck in future games, if you choose to play the map again.
Regards

That's stupid. you are basically flipping a coin to see who wins in a team game. My limited experience o this map I've never seen a fair drop. If it was designed to be unfair then it should be scrapped.

jefjef wrote:

gradybridges wrote:

cairnswk wrote:The map was never meant to be totally balanced! It was meant to give those who get the "japanese" drop a better chance with more firepower to reflect the reality of what actually at Pearl Harbour i.e. the US got blitzed in an initial attack...
so if you take that idea and battle it out strategically, you might find that NOT always will whoever obtains the Japanese drop advantage win.
There are no bugs or traps. And good luck in future games, if you choose to play the map again.
Regards

That's stupid. you are basically flipping a coin to see who wins in a team game. My limited experience o this map I've never seen a fair drop. If it was designed to be unfair then it should be scrapped.

Well stated by grady. This is a GAME site - not a reenactment. The map should have balance to the drop. It's one thing for someone to strategically gain the advantageous bonuses (the Japanese had to plan and then implement the attack). It's entirely a different thing to have the advantage just given... It's a fun map BUT I will no longer touch it unless it's a quads. It really needs to be fixed.

gradybridges wrote:

cairnswk wrote:The map was never meant to be totally balanced! It was meant to give those who get the "japanese" drop a better chance with more firepower to reflect the reality of what actually at Pearl Harbour i.e. the US got blitzed in an initial attack...
so if you take that idea and battle it out strategically, you might find that NOT always will whoever obtains the Japanese drop advantage win.
There are no bugs or traps. And good luck in future games, if you choose to play the map again.
Regards

That's stupid. you are basically flipping a coin to see who wins in a team game. My limited experience o this map I've never seen a fair drop. If it was designed to be unfair then it should be scrapped.

Joodoo wrote:

jefjef wrote:

gradybridges wrote:

cairnswk wrote:The map was never meant to be totally balanced! It was meant to give those who get the "japanese" drop a better chance with more firepower to reflect the reality of what actually at Pearl Harbour i.e. the US got blitzed in an initial attack...
so if you take that idea and battle it out strategically, you might find that NOT always will whoever obtains the Japanese drop advantage win.
There are no bugs or traps. And good luck in future games, if you choose to play the map again.
Regards

That's stupid. you are basically flipping a coin to see who wins in a team game. My limited experience o this map I've never seen a fair drop. If it was designed to be unfair then it should be scrapped.

Well stated by grady. This is a GAME site - not a reenactment. The map should have balance to the drop. It's one thing for someone to strategically gain the advantageous bonuses (the Japanese had to plan and then implement the attack). It's entirely a different thing to have the advantage just given... It's a fun map BUT I will no longer touch it unless it's a quads. It really needs to be fixed.

I think something similar can be said about Stalingrad, as anyone who holds a lot of planes at the beginning has an immense advantage.
However, given the complexity of the map, any specific flaw in it is largely overshadowed by complaints about the overall feeling of confusion that players receive while playing it.

pascalleke wrote:i must say stalingrad doesnt reach pearl harbour in any way . Pearl harbour is indeed a flip of the coin wich drop u get , but as a frequent player of that map , its on team games not impossible to overcome bad drops , altough that would ask for some luck on the dice tough. It wont be a bad idea to change some things there tough to make it a more even map

drunkmonkey wrote:If you concede that a map is unfair for most settings, isn't that a reason to put it back into beta for a revamp?

drunkmonkey wrote:Any lead can be overcome, if the dice play into your hands. That's not the point. This map has the most unbalanced drop of any I've ever seen. "Play with big teams" isn't a good rebuttal. If you concede that a map is unfair for most settings, isn't that a reason to put it back into beta for a revamp?