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The egg or the chicken

I've been thinking and came to the conclusion that there is no right answer, right? .....
Any guesses?

The chicken obviously. Check any standard dictionary

saxitoxin. He always comes first.

the chicken joined cc 04 Mar 2006, 09:11
the egg joined cc 19 Aug 2007, 23:50

so the facts are very clear ! The chicken came first

Masli wrote:the chicken joined cc 04 Mar 2006, 09:11
the egg joined cc 19 Aug 2007, 23:50

so the facts are very clear ! The chicken came first

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The chicken came before the chicken egg, since how can you have a chicken egg from something other than a chicken?

maasman wrote:The chicken came before the chicken egg, since how can you have a chicken egg from something other than a chicken?

Incorrect. The proto-chicken laid an egg with a genetic difference or mutation significant enough to differentiate it from its chicken offspring.

A liger is the offspring of a lion and a tiger, not the offspring of other ligers. Your logic is flawed.

Symmetry votes EGG/Palin for 2012!

Well, first the Earth cooled. Then the dinosaurs came. Then velociraptors laid chicken-eggs.

Therefore, the correct answer is the egg.

yeah dinosaur eggs came long before chickens or chicken eggs

and if you said "chicken or chicken egg" then the answer would still be egg

man if you're gonna post riddles, at least make it interesting shit like, why chickens cross roads or something.

Army of GOD wrote:saxitoxin. He always comes first.

WOOOOODRUFFFFFF!!!

I know I came up with an argument for why the chicken egg came first before, but I'm too tired to think of it, so maybe tomorrow.

Yeah, why did teh chicken cross the road? Maybe it was a race between the chicken and the egg to see who could come first!

The chigg, obviously.

First, the egg is produced from the ovum, which is then fertilized by the sperm...

Symmetry wrote:

maasman wrote:The chicken came before the chicken egg, since how can you have a chicken egg from something other than a chicken?

Incorrect. The proto-chicken laid an egg with a genetic difference or mutation significant enough to differentiate it from its chicken offspring.

A liger is the offspring of a lion and a tiger, not the offspring of other ligers. Your logic is flawed.

Symmetry votes EGG/Palin for 2012!

The proto-chicken's egg wouldn't necessarily be the first chicken egg, in evolutionary theory, as the new mutation that would define the offspring as chicken, instead of chicken ancestors, could have occurred in the male's sex cell, thereby having a chicken be born from a non-chicken egg.

Vodka.

Depends on your definitions and suppositions.

First, if you are a literal creationist, it is the chicken. God created the creatures as they are more or less, and then gave them the ability to procreate.

Now if you are not a creationist, it is the egg, but the reason depends on your definition. When we say "egg", do we necessarily mean a chicken egg? If not, then it's easy: there were lots of creatures laying eggs before the chicken even evolved. (e.g. dinosaurs, fish, etc.)

Now if we do necessarily mean a chicken egg, then it is still the egg, but it's closer. Technically, somewhere along the evolutionary path, a creature was hatched that we could now call a chicken; its parents, though only infinitesimally different, are not considered "chicken", but perhaps "proto-chicken. This was the first "chicken". The egg from which it hatched was a chicken egg. This is, of course assuming that you define the egg by the creature that hatches out of it. If you define it by the creature that laid it, which makes less sense, then the chicken would be first, because the egg from which it hatched would not be a chicken egg, so the first chicken egg would be the one laid by the "chicken".

Aren't you happy I cleared all this up for you? You can die happy now.

Oh squat! John9blue said the same thing, but much more tersely.

Mr_Adams wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

maasman wrote:The chicken came before the chicken egg, since how can you have a chicken egg from something other than a chicken?

Incorrect. The proto-chicken laid an egg with a genetic difference or mutation significant enough to differentiate it from its chicken offspring.

A liger is the offspring of a lion and a tiger, not the offspring of other ligers. Your logic is flawed.

Symmetry votes EGG/Palin for 2012!

The proto-chicken's egg wouldn't necessarily be the first chicken egg, in evolutionary theory, as the new mutation that would define the offspring as chicken, instead of chicken ancestors, could have occurred in the male's sex cell, thereby having a chicken be born from a non-chicken egg.

OK, as I said, it's a matter of definition. If you define the egg by the creature that hatched out of it, then the egg is first because the egg out of which the "first chicken" hatched is a chicken egg. If you define it by the creature that laid it, then the chicken is first because the first chicken egg is the one laid by the chicken: the one before was a "proto-chicken egg".

Edit: triple-post. Woo-hoo!

Serbia wrote:Vodka.

Yes, Vodka definitely came first.

daddy1gringo wrote: If you define it by the creature that laid it, which makes less sense, then the chicken would be first, because the egg from which it hatched would not be a chicken egg, so the first chicken egg would be the one laid by the "chicken".

This is the conclusion I came to. And no, I think it makes more sense that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg. You can make other things hatch out of eggs by messing with the genes, but you would not call the egg it came from the egg of that creature, you call it the egg of the creature that laid it. At least that's how I see it.