Conquer Club

Kaskavel wrote:Concise description:

• Create an extra stat in player's profile, offering a percentage of won games, including adjustment for how many players participate

Specifics/Details:

• If a player wins a 6 player game, his percentage will adjust, just like he won 5 different games. If a player loses 7 games with 7 players, his score adjusts like he lost 1 game with one opponent, etc.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• The idea is that currently, the percentage victory scores on player profiles mean absolute nothing. They are random numbers that cannot get a meaning and create comparisons without studying what kind of games the player is participating. This way, the number, which will naturaly be around 40-60 % for most players, will have a definite objective meaning and 2 players can immediately be compared

Description: Showing a player's percent games won is misleading since that player could be playing anywhere from 1 to 7 opponents on average, so if this player is equally matched by his opponents he could end up with anywhere from a 13% to 50% win rate. Conversely, a player with a 50% win rate could be demolishing his opponents, or just as good as them. A value that compensates for the typical number of opponents that player faces per game would be much more informative.

Details: The name doesn't have to be "win rate", but whatever it is the point is that you give a number which represents not how often a player wins, but how often this player wins relative to how often he would win were his opponents all exactly as skilled and lucky as himself. So if the player always plays 4-player free-for-all and wins 25% of the time, their win rate would be equal to a player who always plays 1v1 and wins 50% of the time. The math is simple: games_won / games_played * avg_teams_per_game yields 1 if the player is usually equally matched, 0 if the player has never won, and is higher for players who more often outmatch their opponents.

Benefits: This is *not* the same thing as score - score also accounts for opponents' scores, order the games are played in, etc. I believe this number would make the score more meaningful - if a player has a 3.00 "win rate" as calculated above, 500 games, and a score of 2000, then they are probably farming. If they have a 3.00 win rate, 100 games, and a score of 1500, then they are probably very good at what they play. If they have a 1.05 win rate and a score of 2000 they are probably moderately skillful and very persistent. If they have a 1.00 win rate, 50 games played, a score of 1500, and joined two months ago, then chances are they are as good as your average colonel but won't earn major for another year. I could go on, but I think I've made my point - win rate is useful, and is a drop-in replacement for percent won, which is not.

I apologize if this has been suggested before - I tried searching for it, but admittedly I could have tried harder.

demonfork wrote:We already have this, it's called "relative rank" and it's retarded.

/boost wrote:

demonfork wrote:We already have this, it's called "relative rank" and it's retarded.

Where can I find this? And is it strictly based on percent won vs average opponents, or something else (how is it calculated) ?

Rodion wrote:

/boost wrote:

demonfork wrote:We already have this, it's called "relative rank" and it's retarded.

Where can I find this? And is it strictly based on percent won vs average opponents, or something else (how is it calculated) ?

Relative rank is something you can see with Map Rank, a Greasemonkey Script. And it is NOT the same thing as what you are suggesting.

• Create an extra stat in player's profile, offering a percentage of won games, including adjustment for how many players participate

• If a player wins a 6 player game, his percentage will adjust, just like he won 5 different games. If a player loses 7 games with 7 players, his score adjusts like he lost 1 game with one opponent, etc.

• The idea is that currently, the percentage victory scores on player profiles mean absolute nothing. They are random numbers that cannot get a meaning and create comparisons without studying what kind of games the player is participating. This way, the number, which will naturaly be around 40-60 % for most players, will have a definite objective meaning and 2 players can immediately be compared

agentcom wrote:I like the profile idea and adding a column to the scoreboard. Great idea and seems like it would be simple, too.

chapcrap wrote:This sounds like something called kill ratio.

For instance, if you play an 8 player game and win but lose a 2 player game, you win percentage is 50%. However, you're kill ratio is 87.5%.

This can be seen using the Map Rank addon. However, I would like to see kill ratio be part of the profile.

chapcrap wrote:

chapcrap wrote:This sounds like something called kill ratio.

For instance, if you play an 8 player game and win but lose a 2 player game, you win percentage is 50%. However, you're kill ratio is 87.5%.

This can be seen using the Map Rank addon. However, I would like to see kill ratio be part of the profile.

+1

greenoaks wrote:
btw i'd love for Kill Ratio to replace Win % on our profile and be on the scoreboard so we can sort by it.