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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/muslim-admits-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim-admits-to-attacking-atheist-over-zombie-muhammed-costume-muslim-judge-dismisses-case-lectures-atheist-on-joys-of-islam/

A Muslim man was caught on video assaulting an atheist who was portraying Muhammad as a zombie. He admitted to the crime and had charges filed. Yet a judge threw out the video evidence and a police officer's testimony regarding the events simply because the judge didn't like what they showed. In light of his throwing out the evidence, he decided it was a hearsay case and ruled in favor of the defendant. He then went on to lecture the accuser about how he has no first amendment right to insult Muslims and that if he were in a Muslim country, he probably would have been killed for the insults. This judge has jurisdiction in the United States, yet he ignores the fact that the portrayal of Muhammad is completely legal in this country and instead unjustly favors the defendant.


Any bets on whether the mainstream media will actually cover this story? I KNOW they would if it was a Christian judge doing these same actions. This judge should be removed from his position immediately.

It made the news in The Netherlands...

Night Strike wrote:http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/muslim-admits-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim-admits-to-attacking-atheist-over-zombie-muhammed-costume-muslim-judge-dismisses-case-lectures-atheist-on-joys-of-islam/

A Muslim man was caught on video assaulting an atheist who was portraying Muhammad as a zombie. He admitted to the crime and had charges filed. Yet a judge threw out the video evidence and a police officer's testimony regarding the events simply because the judge didn't like what they showed. In light of his throwing out the evidence, he decided it was a hearsay case and ruled in favor of the defendant. He then went on to lecture the accuser about how he has no first amendment right to insult Muslims and that if he were in a Muslim country, he probably would have been killed for the insults. This judge has jurisdiction in the United States, yet he ignores the fact that the portrayal of Muhammad is completely legal in this country and instead unjustly favors the defendant.


Any bets on whether the mainstream media will actually cover this story? I KNOW they would if it was a Christian judge doing these same actions. This judge should be removed from his position immediately.

Doubt it- dude gets into a fight with another dude, evidence dismissed as hearsay...

Not exactly big news, unless, of course, you're particularly worried about Muslims doing stuff that wouldn't break news for any other ethnic group.

Symmetry wrote:Doubt it- dude gets into a fight with another dude, evidence dismissed as hearsay...

Not exactly big news, unless, of course, you're particularly worried about Muslims doing stuff that wouldn't break news for any other ethnic group.

There was video and a police officer witness. It wasn't just hearsay. And then the judge went on to lecture the victim about Muslims and why the rest of us have to respect them no matter what, even though we have the first amendment protections of saying whatever we want. If a Christian judge had lectured the victim about deserving much worse than a beating for his actions, it would be all over the news.

Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

Night Strike wrote: If a Christian judge had lectured the victim about deserving much worse than a beating for his actions, it would be all over the news.

I feel that most of these would be true, based on this:

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/09/19/re ... -minority/

Prompt: "This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society…"
Results:

Atheist: 39.6%
Muslims: 26.3%
Homosexuals: 22.6%
Hispanics: 20%
Conservative Christians: 13.5%
Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
Jews: 7.6%

Prompt: "I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group…"
Results:

Atheist: 47.6%
Muslim: 33.5%
African-American 27.2%
Asian-Americans: 18.5%
Hispanics: 18.5%
Jews: 11.8%
Conservative Christians: 6.9%
Whites: 2.3%

Those are pretty high numbers.

-rd

Clear miscarriage of justice, victim's appeal should sail through. The judge should also be reprimanded, if not removed from his position.

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

at the fact that you think that Christians get more sympathetic treatment than atheists in the mainstream media. Christians are portrayed as delusional neanderthals that only act with blind faith. Atheists are considered enlightened thinkers that don't subscribe to unjust old fashioned western hokum.

ViperOverLord wrote:

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

at the fact that you think that Christians get more sympathetic treatment than atheists in the mainstream media. Christians are portrayed as delusional neanderthals that only act with blind faith. Atheists are considered enlightened thinkers that don't subscribe to unjust old fashioned western hokum.

Atheists, for the most part, aren't talked about. There are tons of Christian channels and programs which carry a large demographic (larger than any pro-atheist)

-rd

So a guy provokes a Muslim man by insulting his religion,
is surprised by what happens next and files charges?

Fuck him, I am not sympathetic.

rdsrds2120 wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

at the fact that you think that Christians get more sympathetic treatment than atheists in the mainstream media. Christians are portrayed as delusional neanderthals that only act with blind faith. Atheists are considered enlightened thinkers that don't subscribe to unjust old fashioned western hokum.

Atheists, for the most part, aren't talked about. There are tons of Christian channels and programs which carry a large demographic (larger than any pro-atheist)

-rd

Niche markets don't prove a mainstream bias.

ViperOverLord wrote:

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

at the fact that you think that Christians get more sympathetic treatment than atheists in the mainstream media. Christians are portrayed as delusional neanderthals that only act with blind faith. Atheists are considered enlightened thinkers that don't subscribe to unjust old fashioned western hokum.

yes yes christians are the most oppressed ever, only followed up by conservatives. It must be very hard to be you. Here have a pacifier.

oVo wrote:So a guy provokes a Muslim man by insulting his religion,
is surprised by what happens next and files charges?

Fuck him, I am not sympathetic.

While I might feel the guy was being a douche, you shouldn't be assaulted just for being insulting. At least your assailant should be charged with assault.

oVo wrote:So a guy provokes a Muslim man by insulting his religion,
is surprised by what happens next and files charges?

Fuck him, I am not sympathetic.

oVo wrote:So a guy provokes a libertarian man by insulting his beliefs,
is surprised by what happens next and files charges?

Fuck him, I am not sympathetic.

When the original quote sounds to everyone just as ridiculous as my modified version does, is when we will have finally taken religion off of its pedestal.

If the insulted person overreacts and inflicts substantial bodily harm,
then I would have a different response to the situation and feel that
an appropriate prosecution and penalty should be enforced.

Beyond a sensational headline, what did the defendant expect would
happen with such behavior?

If a man enters a lion's cage wearing a meat suit and get's mauled,
does the big cat need to be put down?

ah so religious people are sub-human animals, gotcha.

In that case I guess we don't need to put them down, we might want to remove their right to vote though.

oVo wrote:If the insulted person overreacts and inflicts substantial bodily harm,
then I would have a different response to the situation and feel that
an appropriate prosecution and penalty should be enforced.

Beyond a sensational headline, what did the defendant expect would
happen with such behavior?

If a man enters a lion's cage wearing a meat suit and get's mauled,
does the big cat need to be put down?

So Muslims are as irrational as a Lion confronted with a meat suit? I refuse to accept that. The assailant is fully responsible for his actions and should be held to account for them. The reaction to being confronted with an offensive opinion should not be to physically attack someone, either confront them and explain why you find their message offensive or don't feed the troll and move on with your life. In no circumstance is assaulting someone an acceptable response.

Baron Von PWN wrote: In no circumstance is assaulting someone an acceptable response.

You're right. There is no excuse for the assault
and the judge should be reprimanded.

Night Strike wrote:http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/muslim-admits-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim-admits-to-attacking-atheist-over-zombie-muhammed-costume-muslim-judge-dismisses-case-lectures-atheist-on-joys-of-islam/

A Muslim man was caught on video assaulting an atheist who was portraying Muhammad as a zombie. He admitted to the crime and had charges filed. Yet a judge threw out the video evidence and a police officer's testimony regarding the events simply because the judge didn't like what they showed. In light of his throwing out the evidence, he decided it was a hearsay case and ruled in favor of the defendant. He then went on to lecture the accuser about how he has no first amendment right to insult Muslims and that if he were in a Muslim country, he probably would have been killed for the insults. This judge has jurisdiction in the United States, yet he ignores the fact that the portrayal of Muhammad is completely legal in this country and instead unjustly favors the defendant.


Any bets on whether the mainstream media will actually cover this story? I KNOW they would if it was a Christian judge doing these same actions. This judge should be removed from his position immediately.

Assuming this report (your version , in particular) is correct, it is pretty bad. Still, I doubt it will be covered, simply because the recent story about burnign the Koran with the trash is prominent and this is similar, but much more mild. One big difference between Christians and Muslims is that Christians are not likely to go out and start killing soldiers because of this stuff.

That said, if the guy in question decides to press the case, it might be noted.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Assuming this report (your version , in particular) is correct, it is pretty bad.

You seem to mainly exhibit this type of skepticism when something goes against your world view. Which I guess is fine. But the attacker admitted fault. What are you thinking may not be correct in this story?

PLAYER57832 wrote:Still, I doubt it will be covered, simply because the recent story about burning the Koran with the trash is prominent and this is similar, but much more mild.

Assaulting someone is more mild than burning a book?

PLAYER57832 wrote:One big difference between Christians and Muslims is that Christians are not likely to go out and start killing soldiers because of this stuff.

What is the point of stating this?

PLAYER57832 wrote:That said, if the guy in question decides to press the case, it might be noted.

The case was thrown out. What are you talking about?

the man assaulted the ignorant athiest because the athiest was insulting his religion?

so, if i made a picture of jesus having sex with sheep and pigs, and a christian attacked me, you would be surprise when the christian USA judge decided not to prosecute? you can not just insult the beleifs someone holds in their heart.

i suspect that if this story was christian judge and christian defendant then mr night strike would not care at all

ViperOverLord wrote:

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

at the fact that you think that Christians get more sympathetic treatment than atheists in the mainstream media. Christians are portrayed as delusional neanderthals that only act with blind faith. Atheists are considered enlightened thinkers that don't subscribe to unjust old fashioned western hokum.

I never said Christians get more sympathetic treatment in the mainstream media. My comment alludes to it being ignored because it's about an athiest.

ViperOverLord wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Assuming this report (your version , in particular) is correct, it is pretty bad.

You seem to mainly exhibit this type of skepticism when something goes against your world view. Which I guess is fine. But the attacker admitted fault. What are you thinking may not be correct in this story?

PLAYER57832 wrote:Still, I doubt it will be covered, simply because the recent story about burning the Koran with the trash is prominent and this is similar, but much more mild.

Assaulting someone is more mild than burning a book?

PLAYER57832 wrote:One big difference between Christians and Muslims is that Christians are not likely to go out and start killing soldiers because of this stuff.

What is the point of stating this?

PLAYER57832 wrote:That said, if the guy in question decides to press the case, it might be noted.

The case was thrown out. What are you talking about?

The judge ruled in favour of the defendant. The plaintive should still be able to appeal that decision correct? To be fair to Player your sources for this story are two pretty slanted blog style websites. Do you have another source?

the carpet man wrote:the man assaulted the ignorant athiest because the athiest was insulting his religion?

so, if i made a picture of jesus having sex with sheep and pigs, and a christian attacked me, you would be surprise when the christian USA judge decided not to prosecute? you can not just insult the beleifs someone holds in their heart.

i suspect that if this story was christian judge and christian defendant then mr night strike would not care at all

Yes I would. In both cases it completely unacceptable to assault someone for having an offensive opinion (Wether NS would or not I'm not sure). Even more unacceptable is to have the justice system condone it.

ViperOverLord wrote:

Aradhus wrote:Athiest victim, yeah? Doubt it will make mainstream media. If it was a christian victim? Bet your fucking ass fox would be all over it.

Christians are portrayed as delusional neanderthals that only act with blind faith. Atheists are considered enlightened thinkers that don't subscribe to unjust old fashioned western hokum.

Not even the supposedly anti-Christian NPR really does this, sorry. You need to get your information outside of conservative Christian sources if you want to really see what other people actually think.