Conquer Club

[spoiler=Rules of Engagement]CC5 Round of 16 - KoRT vs TNC

Clan Contacts

KoRT: DaveKettering, Fishydance

TNC: Epitaph1

Setup Details
• 61 total games
• 20 doubles
• 20 triples
• 20 quads
• The 61st game will beTrips on a Random Map - Fog, Chained, No Spoils (does not count toward player game maximum)

Player Eligibility
• Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
• If a player plays for a clan in a given round, they are cup-tied for that round and cannot play for another clan in that round
• If the old clan of a player loses the round in which the player has played, that player is considered "eliminated" with their old clan and cannot play for another clan for the rest of the tournament.
•If the old clan of a player wins the last round in which the player has played with them, then they are not considered cup-tied at the conclusion of that war and are free to play with any other clan at the beginning of the next round of the tournament.

Default Rules
• Only game types allowed are "Teams".
• There will be no freestyle, speed, manual deployments, parachute fortifications, no fortifications, zombie spoils, or beta map games allowed.
• All forts, except "no forts" and "parachute" are allowed. Unlimited is permitted to a maximum of 50% of home games.
• There will be no round limits, unless otherwise noted.
• Trench is permitted in a maximum of 20% of home games (Any trench game must have a 30 round limit).
• Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads).
• No speed.
• Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
• Betta maps, Lux, Doodle, and Mini Eurasia are not permitted.
• The 12 Hour FoW rule is in place. If the second team to join a foggy game also gets the first turn, they must hold their attack for 12 hours or until a member of the opposing team announces that they have taken their snapshot. Should that team accidentally break this agreement or if they are unable to wait 12 hours, then they will give all relevant information to their opponents in the game chat, including which territories were captured and the owner of all territories that would have been visible to the team going second. The agreement can be ignored if the enemy will not be losing a territory and is still able to see the map as it was on the original setup.

Miscellaneous Rules
• When games are sent, they must already be created by the home team. The home team will then have 48 hours to fully invite its players. The away clan will then have 48 hours to fill all the games. [Example: Sunday night exchange. Fully invited by home clan by Tuesday night. Fully invited by away clan by Thursday night.]
• Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players. If a team breaks this rule the game must be re-made (unless the wronged clan wants the game to stand). Each subsequent violation during the Cup will result in a forfeit of the game.
• Any deemed abuse should be brought to the attention of the Cup Organizers immediately.

Schedule

Exchange Dates:
Set 1: Dec 7th
3 Doubles
3 Triples
4 Quads

Set 2: Dec 21st
3 Doubles
4 Triples
3 Quads

Set 3: Jan 4th
4 Doubles
3 Triples
3 Quads[/spoiler]

KoRT home Round 1 games

Dubs
[game]15119536[/game] D1: Texas [flat, unl, sunny] KoRT won
[game]15119542[/game] D2: 1982 [esc, chained, fog] KoRT won
[game]15119550[/game] D3: Conquer Rome [no spoils, chained, fog] TNC won

Trips
[game]15119566[/game] T1: Charleston [flat, chained, fog] TNC won
[game]15119572[/game] T2: New Zealand [esc, chained, fog, trench, 30 rnd] KoRT won
[game]15119599[/game] T3: WWll Europe [nuclear, unl, fog] KoRT won

Quads
[game]15119579[/game] Q1: Rail Europe [no spoils, chained, fog] TNC won
[game]15119582[/game] Q2: World 2.1 [nuclear, unl, fog] KoRT won
[game]15119592[/game] Q3: Battle of Actium [nuclear, unlimited, fog] KoRT won
[game]15119595[/game] Q4: Feudal Epic [esc, chained, fog] TNC won

TNC home round 1 games

Dubs
[game]15120740[/game] D1: Classic Cities: Pot Mosbi [ns,ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15120739[/game] D2: England [ns,ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15120737[/game] D3: Northwest Passage [ns,ch, fog] KoRT won

Trips
[game]15120736[/game] T1: D-Day: Omaha Beach! [ns,ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15120733[/game] T2: Bamboo Jack [ns,ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15120732[/game] T3: Das Schloss [ns,ch, fog] TNC won

Quads
[game]15120731[/game] Q1: Pearl Harbor [ns,ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15120730[/game] Q2: Salem's Switch [ns,ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15120729[/game] Q3: Waterloo [ns,ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15120728[/game] Q4: Northwest Passage [ns,ch, fog] KoRT won

KoRT Round 2 Home Games

Dubs
[game]15164566[/game] D1: Austerlitz [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15164572[/game] D2: Berlin 1961 [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15164573[/game] D3: City Mogul [Nuc, Adj, fog, trench, 30 rds] KoRT won

Trips
[game]15164576[/game] T1: WWll Gazala [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15164578[/game] T2: Cairns Coral Coast [ns, ch, sunny] TNC won
[game]15164580[/game] T3: Feudal War [esc, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15164583[/game] T4: Antarctica [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won

Quads
[game]15164586[/game] Q1: City Mogul [Nuc, Adj, fog, trench, 30 rds] KoRT won
[game]15164589[/game] Q2: USA 2.1 [ns, adj, fog, trench, 30 rds] KoRT won
[game]15164591[/game] Q3: Super Max Prison Riot [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won

TNC Round 2 Away Games

Dubs
[game]15200523[/game] D1: All Your Base are Belong to us [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15200521[/game] D2: Baseball [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15200520[/game] D3: Arms Race [ns, ch, fog] TNC won

Trips
[game]15200579[/game] T1: Steamworks [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15200539[/game] T2: Clandemonium [ns, adj, fog] KoRT won
[game]15200538[/game] T3: WWll Poland [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15200535[/game] T4: Classic Cities, Pot Mosbi [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won

Quads
[game]15200545[/game] Q1: Route 66 [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15200543[/game] Q2: Middle Ages [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15200541[/game] Q3: Kings Court [ns, ch, fog] TNC won

KoRT Round 3 Home Games

Dubs
[game]15220541[/game] D1: WWll Eastern Front [esc, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15213363[/game] D2: Age of Merchants [esc, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15213364[/game] D3: New Zealand [esc, unl, fog] KoRT won
[game]15213365[/game] D4: Arms Race [ns, ch, fog] TNC won

Trips
[game]15213367[/game] T1: Hive [nuc, unl, fog] KoRT won
[game]15213369[/game] T2: First Nations America [nuc, unl, fog] KoRT won
[game]15213371[/game] T3: Battle of Actium [nuc, unl, fog] KoRT won

Quads
[game]15213372[/game] Q1: Hive [nuc, unl, fog] KoRT won
[game]15213374[/game] Q2: First Nations America [nuc, unl, fog] KoRT won
[game]15213375[/game] Q3: Conquerman [nuc, unl, fog] KoRT won

TNC Round 3 Away Games

Dubs
[game]15213864[/game] D1: Feudal War [esc, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15212288[/game] D2: Stalingrad [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15212287[/game] D3: Waterloo [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15212286[/game] D4: Unification Italy [ns, ch, fog] TNC won

Trips
[game]15212296[/game] T1: Forbidden City [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15212295[/game] T2: Rail USA [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15212292[/game] T3: Three Kingdoms of Korea [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won

Quads
[game]15212306[/game] Q1: Rail Africa [ns, ch, fog] TNC won
[game]15212304[/game] Q2: Napoleonic Europe [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won
[game]15212299[/game] Q3: World 2.1 [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won

Tie Break Game
[game]15220709[/game] : Orient Express 1883 [ns, ch, fog] KoRT won

Will be a good one.

Need the first post completed and TNC to agree to terms before privs can be issued. Thanks

Exchange Dates:
Set 1: Dec 7th
3 Doubles
3 Triples
4 Quads

Set 2: Dec 21st
3 Doubles
4 Triples
3 Quads

Set 3: Jan 4th
4 Doubles
3 Triples
3 Quads

Setup Details
• 61 total games
• 20 doubles
• 20 triples
• 20 quads
• The 61st game will beTrips on a Random Map - Fog, Chained, No Spoils (does not count toward player game maximum)

Player Eligibility
• Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
• If a player plays for a clan in a given round, they are cup-tied for that round and cannot play for another clan in that round
• If the old clan of a player loses the round in which the player has played, that player is considered "eliminated" with their old clan and cannot play for another clan for the rest of the tournament.
•If the old clan of a player wins the last round in which the player has played with them, then they are not considered cup-tied at the conclusion of that war and are free to play with any other clan at the beginning of the next round of the tournament.

Default Rules
• Only game types allowed are "Teams".
• There will be no freestyle, speed, manual deployments, parachute fortifications, no fortifications, zombie spoils, or beta map games allowed.
• All forts, except "no forts" and "parachute" are allowed. Unlimited is permitted to a maximum of 50% of home games.
• There will be no round limits, unless otherwise noted.
• Trench is permitted in a maximum of 20% of home games (Any trench game must have a 30 round limit).
• Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads).
• No speed.
• Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
• Betta maps, Lux, Doodle, and Mini Eurasia are not permitted.
• The 12 Hour FoW rule is in place. If the second team to join a foggy game also gets the first turn, they must hold their attack for 12 hours or until a member of the opposing team announces that they have taken their snapshot. Should that team accidentally break this agreement or if they are unable to wait 12 hours, then they will give all relevant information to their opponents in the game chat, including which territories were captured and the owner of all territories that would have been visible to the team going second. The agreement can be ignored if the enemy will not be losing a territory and is still able to see the map as it was on the original setup.

Miscellaneous Rules
• When games are sent, they must already be created by the home team. The home team will then have 48 hours to fully invite its players. The away clan will then have 48 hours to fill all the games. [Example: Sunday night exchange. Fully invited by home clan by Tuesday night. Fully invited by away clan by Thursday night.]
• Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players. If a team breaks this rule the game must be re-made (unless the wronged clan wants the game to stand). Each subsequent violation during the Cup will result in a forfeit of the game.
• Any deemed abuse should be brought to the attention of the Cup Organizers immediately.

TNC Agrees

Privs granted, have a great war guys.

All,

Attached below are the round 1 home games from KoRT, good luck with the games.

Dubs
15119536 D1: Texas [flat, unl, sunny]
15119542 D2: 1982 [esc, chained, fog]
15119550 D3: Conquer Rome [no spoils, chained, fog]

Trips
15119566 T1: Charleston [flat, chained, fog]
15119572 T2: New Zealand [esc, chained, fog, trench, 30 rnd]
15119599 T3: WWll Europe [nuclear, unl, fog]

Quads
15119579 Q1: Rail Europe [no spoils, chained, fog]
15119582 Q2: World 2.1 [nuclear, unl, fog]
15119592 Q3: Battle of Actium [nuclear, unlimited, fog]
15119595 Q4: Feudal Epic [esc, chained, fog]

TNC must create their batch 2 games IMMEDIATELY and also send their invites for Kort's away games. Also batch 3 MUST proceed as planned on the 4th of Jan.

*****

We are good to go now. All games set up and invites sent.

Thanks for your patience.

[game]15164586[/game] ckyrias has 20 minutes left, important urn in city mogul.

josko.ri wrote:[game]15164586[/game] ckyrias has 20 minutes left, important urn in city mogul.

Wait a minute josko... isn't fairplay against the rules of war ? Oo

[game]15212288[/game] ckyrias 30 minutes left.

@1-1-3: When I saw your comment, I thought content will be something related that current result (11-13) is similar to your name.

*****

holy snaps batman.... wtf with that score?

betiko wrote:holy snaps batman.... wtf with that score?

TNC showed as much better clan than what their rank would imply.

They did not show it only here, if you look at their CL6 results, you will see that they are also doing well there.

Also, we had so many retirements since CC4. You were in clan who was in similar situation, so you know the best how hard is to manage massive retirements after achieving great results and making people satisfied with past achievements. You know that in case when your ex-clan was in similar situation (although your satisfaction was only winning Cup-CC3, not Cup-CC4 and League-CL5 at the same time like in KORT's case) it led to withdrawing from CL5, so I am proud that my clan under similar circumstances did not withdrew from any competition, but was regularly playing although it was obvious that our results will decrease due to massive retirements. But we play this game for fun, which includes fun both when results are shiny and when results are mediocre, so we are allowing that other clans have shot on us not only when we are shining but also when we are in harder situation.

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:holy snaps batman.... wtf with that score?

TNC showed as much better clan than what their rank would imply.

They did not show it only here, if you look at their CL6 results, you will see that they are also doing well there.

Also, we had so many retirements since CC4. You were in clan who was in similar situation, so you know the best how hard is to manage massive retirements after achieving great results and making people satisfied with past achievements. You know that in case when your ex-clan was in similar situation (although your satisfaction was only winning Cup-CC3, not Cup-CC4 and League-CL5 at the same time like in KORT's case) it led to withdrawing from CL5, so I am proud that my clan under similar circumstances did not withdrew from any competition, but was regularly playing although it was obvious that our results will decrease due to massive retirements. But we play this game for fun, which includes fun both when results are shiny and when results are mediocre, so we are allowing that other clans have shot on us not only when we are shining but also when we are in harder situation.

I only stayed like 8 month in TOFU is that is what you are refering as my ex clan, the timing of what you are describing is not something I witnessed playing for TOFU (although they had lots of big names that retired after the CC3). I just played 2 rounds of CC4 with them.
In fact... I was on the opposite side during the CC3.
We had massive retirements late 2012 within the pack (where is tayed over 2 years), so I know what you mean. We only lost by a close score against tofu in the CC3, then didn't play any war for like 6 month, then faced TNC in a casual war... and TNC managed to beat pack! So I know these guys can do great stuff. The only 2 war defeats I've had in my clan career so far, and they were back to back.

may I ask who retired?

But yes, I was very surprised by your CL6 results, then I just saw this score update

betiko wrote:

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:holy snaps batman.... wtf with that score?

TNC showed as much better clan than what their rank would imply.

They did not show it only here, if you look at their CL6 results, you will see that they are also doing well there.

Also, we had so many retirements since CC4. You were in clan who was in similar situation, so you know the best how hard is to manage massive retirements after achieving great results and making people satisfied with past achievements. You know that in case when your ex-clan was in similar situation (although your satisfaction was only winning Cup-CC3, not Cup-CC4 and League-CL5 at the same time like in KORT's case) it led to withdrawing from CL5, so I am proud that my clan under similar circumstances did not withdrew from any competition, but was regularly playing although it was obvious that our results will decrease due to massive retirements. But we play this game for fun, which includes fun both when results are shiny and when results are mediocre, so we are allowing that other clans have shot on us not only when we are shining but also when we are in harder situation.

I only stayed like 8 month in TOFU is that is what you are refering as my ex clan, the timing of what you are describing is not something I witnessed playing for TOFU (although they had lots of big names that retired after the CC3). I just played 2 rounds of CC4 with them.
In fact... I was on the opposite side during the CC3.
We had massive retirements late 2012 within the pack (where is tayed over 2 years), so I know what you mean. We only lost by a close score against tofu in the CC3, then didn't play any war for like 6 month, then faced TNC in a casual war... and TNC managed to beat pack! So I know these guys can do great stuff. The only 2 war defeats I've had in my clan career so far, and they were back to back.

may I ask who retired?

But yes, I was very surprised by your CL6 results, then I just saw this score update

I just checked, and yes you joined 2 months ater their withdrawing so you were not direct witness of the decision.
However, you were witness of PACK not playing in both Clan League and CCup during their hard commitment days, so you know the best how is it about to deal with massive retirements. PACK has never come back to be top clan after massive retirements while TOFU withdrew from CL5 after their massive retirements, so I am proud that KORT continue to normally participate in both competitions even though our results are now lower.

We are more like Roger Federer, giving shot on ourselves to others even when our form is on downside and when our commitment is hard to manage, rather than like Pete Sampras, who withdrew from further competitions after winning US Open, rather than giving to others opportunity to play versus him even when his form will go downside.

There are many retired ones, it is not hard to find it if you are really interested by just map ranking our recent games.

TNC seems to be kryptonite for top clans

Well pack did make kind of a come back after my departure and their merger with afos's best players. I think they went back up to number 3 but I m not sure. Their defeat against us (lhdd) in the cc5 seems to have brought a new wave of massive retirements.. So basically pack is now 90% ex afos aparently.
Anyway this is far from lost, i remember last year, it looked like kort would lose vs OSA in the cc4 and you pulled a great 3rd set to win. (Or was that 2 years ago?)

So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

betiko wrote:Well pack did make kind of a come back after my departure and their merger with afos's best players. I think they went back up to number 3 but I m not sure. Their defeat against us (lhdd) in the cc5 seems to have brought a new wave of massive retirements.. So basically pack is now 90% ex afos aparently.
Anyway this is far from lost, i remember last year, it looked like kort would lose vs OSA in the cc4 and you pulled a great 3rd set to win. (Or was that 2 years ago?)

So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

With my statement that PACK have never actually come back after initial retirements was backed up by the fact that they did not have any noticeable wins since then, even with merger with AFOS. Since then, there was the loss vs TNC, and what else? Loss vs LHDD, so the merged with AFOS players did not really make the to come back to top. Their number 3 rankings was due to old famous results and the fact that they were inactive in wars, so old famous results still held them as seemingly number 3.
According to F400 and F41, KORT is #1 clan
Isn't it unfair to call others #1 while we are still undefeated holders of both CL5 and CC4 thrones, with still chances in both competitions to defend the title? And the clan you are calling #1 has zero major titles so far.

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:Well pack did make kind of a come back after my departure and their merger with afos's best players. I think they went back up to number 3 but I m not sure. Their defeat against us (lhdd) in the cc5 seems to have brought a new wave of massive retirements.. So basically pack is now 90% ex afos aparently.
Anyway this is far from lost, i remember last year, it looked like kort would lose vs OSA in the cc4 and you pulled a great 3rd set to win. (Or was that 2 years ago?)

So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

With my statement that PACK have never actually come back after initial retirements was backed up by the fact that they did not have any noticeable wins since then, even with merger with AFOS. Since then, there was the loss vs TNC, and what else? Loss vs LHDD, so the merged with AFOS players did not really make the to come back to top. Their number 3 rankings was due to old famous results and the fact that they were inactive in wars, so old famous results still held them as seemingly number 3.
According to F400 and F41, KORT is #1 clan
Isn't it unfair to call others #1 while we are still undefeated holders of both CL5 and CC4 thrones, with still chances in both competitions to defend the title? And the clan you are calling #1 has zero major titles so far.

After losing vs TNC, pack Won against OSA, LHDD, G1, LOW, then in cc5 they beat AQOH on round 1, then lost against LHDD round 2. So no, after losing vs TNC And merging with AFOS they did have a very good year and a half with only victories, as you know victories that are over 2 years old are not counted anymore in the ranking, so very old battles are irrelevant.

While you still have a chance in this CC5 format, i guarantee that in the CL6 with kort has no chance to finish second. You are just fighting for third place at best. You have already lost 5/12 matches in the first 6 rounds while ace and tofu have lost none. So yeah, you re more like roger federer with an injury (departures) and it s a bit foolish in this conditions not to admit that you are you guys have chances to win the league again.

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

Isn't it unfair to call others #1 while we are still undefeated holders of both CL5 and CC4 thrones, with still chances in both competitions to defend the title? And the clan you are calling #1 has zero major titles so far.

Seems he was referring to who seems to be in the best form at this particular moment in time, not who has been the best clan over the past year or 2(i.e. the rankings).

JPlo64 wrote:

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

Isn't it unfair to call others #1 while we are still undefeated holders of both CL5 and CC4 thrones, with still chances in both competitions to defend the title? And the clan you are calling #1 has zero major titles so far.

Seems he was referring to who seems to be in the best form at this particular moment in time, not who has been the best clan over the past year or 2(i.e. the rankings).

exactly. Not talking about titles, ranking and all that stuff... cause in that area we agree that kort is the best clan in cc's history. I was asking who is the toughest clan in the past few month, and my take is that ACE probably is, TOFU being a close second.

betiko wrote:

JPlo64 wrote:

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

Isn't it unfair to call others #1 while we are still undefeated holders of both CL5 and CC4 thrones, with still chances in both competitions to defend the title? And the clan you are calling #1 has zero major titles so far.

Seems he was referring to who seems to be in the best form at this particular moment in time, not who has been the best clan over the past year or 2(i.e. the rankings).

exactly. Not talking about titles, ranking and all that stuff... cause in that area we agree that kort is the best clan in cc's history. I was asking who is the toughest clan in the past few month, and my take is that ACE probably is, TOFU being a close second.

You're being modest mate.

betiko wrote:

JPlo64 wrote:

josko.ri wrote:

betiko wrote:So who is the current best clan? Looks like ACE to me.

Isn't it unfair to call others #1 while we are still undefeated holders of both CL5 and CC4 thrones, with still chances in both competitions to defend the title? And the clan you are calling #1 has zero major titles so far.

Seems he was referring to who seems to be in the best form at this particular moment in time, not who has been the best clan over the past year or 2(i.e. the rankings).

exactly. Not talking about titles, ranking and all that stuff... cause in that area we agree that kort is the best clan in cc's history. I was asking who is the toughest clan in the past few month, and my take is that ACE probably is, TOFU being a close second.

Well, KORT has always played the best when it is the hardest and have always raised our form as competitions were coming closer to the end. Look at CC4 for example, the closest opponent to beat us was OSA whom we beat 34-27, with lower margin than TSM or TOFU, who were both much higher ranked than OSA. If you look further in the past and our starts in past CCups, KORT started it with 29-12 vs AKA (CC4), 27-14 vs LOTZ (CC3), 24-17 vs G1 (CC2), 32-16 vs G1 (CC1) which are all results far worse than starts in CCups by other top clans who were beating their first opponents by much higher margins. The reason is also logical, as KORT has almost never had off-season for recruitment and for reorganizing roles in our clan, we always needed to do that simultaneously with competitions, so while we were doing that (usually at the beginning of new seasons) then of course our results were lower for a while. But that doesn't mean that we gave up our current hard deserved titles, and that we will not defend them. We are giving shot at us to others even when our form is not at its peak