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http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/ ... 2109990001

Obama should be more concerned about the votes of the Southern states... "cough racism cough"

I don't find this the slightest bit surprising.

People give it lip service, but racial prejudice is still very much alive in the US.

White people fear the black man.

... Be ashamed of what?

.... "While 83 percent of black respondents had a favorable view of Obama, only 31 percent of whites did, for example."

... So this means they are racist? Might it not mean that the other 69% see Obama as underexperienced, or as an icon of massive taxation?

... So, say, off the top of my head, 60% of blacks responding to some poll have an unfavorable view of McCain... Do we label them racist as well? Hardly.

... Obama's blackness (half-blackness, whatever) makes folks fear criticizing anything about him and makes his supporters want to point fingers at the "ugly racists".

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Nobunaga wrote:... Be ashamed of what?

.... "While 83 percent of black respondents had a favorable view of Obama, only 31 percent of whites did, for example."

... So this means they are racist? Might it not mean that the other 69% see Obama as underexperienced, or as an icon of massive taxation?

... So, say, off the top of my head, 60% of blacks responding to some poll have an unfavorable view of McCain... Do we label them racist as well? Hardly.

... Obama's blackness (half-blackness, whatever) makes folks fear criticizing anything about him and makes his supporters want to point fingers at the "ugly racists".

...

I thought this same thing when I read this article this morning. Sure racism is alive, but this article isn't saying much.

Backglass wrote:White people fear the black man.

There is also a lot more going on here than mere racism, although it does play a significant part in the equation. Suppose, for example, the people were reversed; the African American candidate is the Republican J.C. Wats. Would the support for Wats in the African American community be as solidly for him as they would be for Obama? Most definitely not. Most African Americans are overwhelmingly Democrats.

On the other hand the non African American community is pretty split down the middle in terms of party. Clearly you aren't going to see any Republicans vote for Obama because he's a Democrat, so this means you are reducing a small percentage of the non African American Democratic base ... can anyone say still angry Clinton supporters?

These two factors cause the disparity in the numbers, the difference in the politcial ratios of African Americans and the general rift that still remains from the Democratic Primary among non African American Democrats.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Backglass wrote:White people fear the black man.

You beat me to it JB

jesse jackson called Obama the N word

o noez!

apey wrote:jesse jackson called Obama the N word

hey... has your kitty stopped bleeding?

Is O'Bama black? I thought he was Irish.

Genghis Khant wrote:Is O'Bama black? I thought he was Irish.

Hahahaha!

polarbeast23 wrote:

apey wrote:jesse jackson called Obama the N word

hey... has your kitty stopped bleeding?

I hate cats the only thing in the world that I really really really really really hate

apey wrote:

polarbeast23 wrote:

apey wrote:jesse jackson called Obama the N word

hey... has your kitty stopped bleeding?

I hate cats the only thing in the world that I really really really really really hate

I guess not... but I think we are talking about 2 different things... and really, what do you have against cats anyway?

Totally - the racism here is from the Black Obama supporters. Obama is an inexperienced statesman who proves every day that he isn't seasoned enough to be the President. I don't support Obama - and that inexperience is a huge reason why. His race has nothing to do with it. Hell, I would vote for Condi Rice if she ran.

You are allowed to vote against Obama and NOT be a racist. The fact that over 80% of blacks blindly support Obama, however, is most certainly a racist position. Especially since most of them will openly admit that they are voting for him ONLY because they want to see a black man in office.

To me - that kind of disqualifies them as a community from ever complaining about institutional racism again.

Sure there are still White racists. But for society as a whole - white racism towards blacks is dead. The problem is the other way around, it seems, if Obama's support is any indication.

Deadpool809 wrote:Totally - the racism here is from the Black Obama supporters. Obama is an inexperienced statesman who proves every day that he isn't seasoned enough to be the President. I don't support Obama - and that inexperience is a huge reason why. His race has nothing to do with it. Hell, I would vote for Condi Rice if she ran.

You are allowed to vote against Obama and NOT be a racist. The fact that over 80% of blacks blindly support Obama, however, is most certainly a racist position. Especially since most of them will openly admit that they are voting for him ONLY because they want to see a black man in office.

To me - that kind of disqualifies them as a community from ever complaining about institutional racism again.

Sure there are still White racists. But for society as a whole - white racism towards blacks is dead. The problem is the other way around, it seems, if Obama's support is any indication.

Hi there. Tell me again the definition of racism?

Also -- all supporters of Obama are racist because they want a black man in office? You think Obama could have won the primaries without the support of whites? Remember -- blacks ARE a minority -- you know, meaning there are more whites than blacks.

I hear this argument way too often, and it's starting to piss me off. "Obama is inexperienced and therefore unfit for office." And yet many of our greatest Presidents had less experience than he did. The example I love to pull out is Abraham Lincoln -- generally agreed to be an OK Prez (though Napoleon would disagree just to piss me off). There are many others as well.

Plus, Obama is NOT inexperienced. He's only inexperienced relative to Clinton and McCain -- but then, the two of them have been in politics for a LONG time.

Tell me again how he "proves every day" that he's not seasoned enough to be President? Is it the fact that he tries to have nuanced positions, not dumb-down his stances, and promise to listen to advisors?

Here's a good representation of the mindset of black voters. The last minute is the best

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAZzgTLsDYY

HapSmo19 wrote:Here's a good representation of the mindset of black voters. The last minute is the best

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAZzgTLsDYY

That video was... amusing...

But how was that a good representation of black voters? Savage was being incredibly condescending. He had a lot of arrogance for displaying rather average intelligence.

InkL0sed wrote:Hi there. Tell me again the definition of racism?

rac·ism
n.
1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

One voting for Obama because he is black is racist. That is discriminating (dis·crim·i·nate- to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs rather than according to actual merit) based on race. If I announce that I am voting for someone because they are white racist? It is the same thing.

InkL0sed wrote:Also -- all supporters of Obama are racist because they want a black man in office?

YES! That is exactly what racism is! If they vote for Obama because he is black, THAT IS RACIST!

InkL0sed wrote:You think Obama could have won the primaries without the support of whites? Remember -- blacks ARE a minority -- you know, meaning there are more whites than blacks.

I never said he couldn't. I didn't say he was elected because of racists, I said that the Blacks who support him because he is black are being racist. Big difference. Of course there are whites voting for him. I never suggested otherwise.

InkL0sed wrote:I hear this argument way too often, and it's starting to piss me off. "Obama is inexperienced and therefore unfit for office." And yet many of our greatest Presidents had less experience than he did. The example I love to pull out is Abraham Lincoln -- generally agreed to be an OK Prez (though Napoleon would disagree just to piss me off). There are many others as well.

Plus, Obama is NOT inexperienced. He's only inexperienced relative to Clinton and McCain -- but then, the two of them have been in politics for a LONG time.

Tell me again how he "proves every day" that he's not seasoned enough to be President? Is it the fact that he tries to have nuanced positions, not dumb-down his stances, and promise to listen to advisors?

Obama has clearly demonstrated on several occasions that he is not ready to be President. He frequently panders to the crowd he is speaking to - and while that is normal for a politician, he takes it to another extreme, and often says things that piss people off. The Isreal situation, for instance. There was some worry that Obama wasn't very pro-Israel, so in response he came out and issued a statement expressing unequivocal support for Israel, including making Jerusalem 100% Israeli.

Diplomatically speaking, that was a nightmare. Jerusalem is at the very heart of the Israel/Palestine issue, and to outright express full support for Israel's position on that issue outraged pro-Palestinian groups. Serious Diplomatic faux-pas that was the result of inexperience - he actually had to retract his statements just to pacify some of these groups.

He demonstrated a lack of understanding about the military when he suggested that he would instruct the Joint Chiefs to "end this war now." The Joint Chiefs aren't in the command structure, and are merely advisors. I expect my President to have an intimate understanding of how the military works, and its chain of command.

Economically, he is out of his depth. His comments about Capital Gains prove he barely even understands what they are, and the fact that he continues to make some bizzare promises about tax rates that are quite frankly inexplicable - even if you support his general "tax the rich" policy, is worrisome. I don't support his more Socialistic tax position, but even with that framework in mind, he doesn't understand enough about the economy to actually implement those ideas. This much is evident by how he talks about it.

Obama is an excellent speaker. Give him a prepared speech, and he sounds wonderful. But challenge his position - ask him something he isn't prepared for, and that inexperience quickly rises to the surface. He doesn't make sense, replies with canned campaign catch-phrases that don't always make sense (More of the failed policies of the past, for instance, when talking about opening up drilling - when the policy of the past was BANNING drilling), and ends up having to send handlers out to retract his comments a day later.

Obama is not ready. I think Clinton was inexperienced as well, but her role in Bill's White House at least gave her an intimate understanding of how Washington works. Obama was barely in the Senate 100 days when he announced his presidential bid.

I want someone in the White House who understands how Congress works, through experience. I want a President who understands the military, their command structure, and how military action is implemented. I want a President who knows what Capital Gains taxes even are, and can come up with coherent economic strategies on his own.

Most of all, I want a President who understands these things, so it is HIM running the country, not his advisors who can tell him anything they want, and he won't know the difference.

This is not the country that Lincoln ran. And we are not the same people.

Ah, Lincoln...How much experience did he have when he became President?

HapSmo19 wrote:Here's a good representation of the mindset of black voters. The last minute is the best

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAZzgTLsDYY

wow... Charles Barkley is a dumb ass... and so was the majority of the spectators there...

InkL0sed wrote:

HapSmo19 wrote:Here's a good representation of the mindset of black voters. The last minute is the best

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAZzgTLsDYY

That video was... amusing...

But how was that a good representation of black voters? Savage was being incredibly condescending. He had a lot of arrogance for displaying rather average intelligence.

He wasn't being condescending... He was being attacked bu morons that couldn't even make their arguments.

suggs wrote:Ah, Lincoln...How much experience did he have when he became President?

He owned a baseball team.

InkL0sed wrote:That video was... amusing...But how was that a good representation of black voters?

It shows that it didn't matter what idiotic things CB said, they sided with him because he is black.

InkL0sed wrote:Savage was being incredibly condescending. He had a lot of arrogance for displaying rather average intelligence.

If his intelligence was "average", how would you classify CB's and the audience? It's OK to say it.
They were trying to ambush Savage and made fools out of themselves in the process

HapSmo19 wrote:

InkL0sed wrote:That video was... amusing...But how was that a good representation of black voters?

It shows that it didn't matter what idiotic things CB said, they sided with him because he is black.

InkL0sed wrote:Savage was being incredibly condescending. He had a lot of arrogance for displaying rather average intelligence.

If his intelligence was "average", how would you classify CB's and the audience? It's OK to say it.
They were trying to ambush Savage and made fools out of themselves in the process

Maybe... but it could have been simply that they sided because they are idiotic too...