Conquer Club

It makes you think...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7103904864

I think it's too long, and also influenced by the colonialist attitude of "how could those primitive tribes possibly have managed that when we find it so hard?".

The music is sublime.

Von Daniken's bubble was burst decades ago.

jonesthecurl wrote:Von Daniken's bubble was burst decades ago.

I disagree.

Many people are, for one reason or another, unwilling and/or unable to keep an open mind on this subject.

I do agree that some of what he presented was fake and on some issues he "jumps to conclusions". But you can't discount everything because he was wrong about a few things...

There are a lot of cave drawings and artifacts with pictures of space men and flying machines...has this been explained?

Moving the huge and heavy rocks in all the areas of the world...but leaving no evidence of how it was done; has this been explained? Here's one explanation: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempire ... moves.html I love it when they say "With the help of a crane". Because I'm sure the native had no problem building a crane to help them over a thousand years ago! Also, the moai they made out of concrete was about 1/8 the weight of the original stone statues. They'd snap their wooden slide like a toothpick.

In the Chariots of the Gods movie, they show that one segment where modern people want to move a part of one of the structures (I forget which), and it is a major engineering project taking our most modern equipment to move it a tiny, tiny fraction of the distance of what ancient people moved many of these objects.

And the religious/historical documents that talk about the gods from the heavens and from the stars, etc.; has this been explained? When you read about a fiery steed that flies...doesn't it make you think, "Hey, maybe that isn't really a horse. Maybe that's a mechanical, flying machine"?

Look, on one hand, some people want to say "The ancient civilizations were very intelligent people. They could have made machinery to do all that work." But on the other hand, we want to call them superstitious nuts for praying to these imaginary gods that they claimed to not only have seen, but to have lived with.

Be objective. The massive structures. The lack of any evidence of how these structure were moved. Read that again. The lack of any evidence of how these structure were moved. The documentation of all these gods from the skies. Why is it so hard to believe that we may have been visited by aliens?

I will go further than that. Why is it so hard to believe that we have been created by aliens?

Planet X. Where is the Missing Link? Evolution versus Creation. All easily explained....

Go read Ronald Story's The Space Gods Revealed.

jonesthecurl wrote:Go read Ronald Story's The Space Gods Revealed.

There will always be skeptics. Have you read it? If so, how does he explain the main points?


Remember, the Earth is flat.

The Sun revolves around the Earth.

We are all descendants from Adam and Eve.


But not everyone is going to agree.

I used to fake excuses to get out of study hall and go into the library under the guise of having to look up resources for term papers back in high school. I would either sleep or read Chariots Of The Gods back in some cubicle to pass the time.

A lot of people were into that back in high school. Some grew out of it and some didn't. I gotta say though, this is the first time i've heard that we may have been "created by aliens". Pretty lame.


Honibaz

b.k. barunt wrote:A lot of people were into that back in high school. Some grew out of it and some didn't. I gotta say though, this is the first time i've heard that we may have been "created by aliens". Pretty lame.

Really?

Sound is off...but this guy explains some of the reasoning here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qkJUh3s7kc

Here is an intro to the same Fox interview by some guy with a real cool accent. He is obviously smarter than any of us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtWeDJ1NqtE

***** Warning: BK Barunt, the bald guys says "Homo Erectus" at least once. Please ensure your are solidly positioned in your seat so as to not fall off your chair in giddy laughter. *****

Hey BK, here's one narrated by a woman that would pop your head like a zit. Don't be intimidated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOsuFAmt ... re=related

***** Fall of Your Chair Warning: BK Barunt, she says "Uranus" several times. Try to hold it together. *****

I watched a few more videos...BK, if you watch this one long enough, you'll see some old dude with a beard. That may help you relate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNKctJV07DE&NR=1

***** BK Chair Warning: Painting of man with small penis is shown twice. *****

"Obviously smarter than any of us"? I guess some people are easily impressed. Stuff like that interested me mildly when i was in high school, but like i said, most of us moved on.


BTW, i don't believe in Santa Claus anymore either .
Honibaz

b.k. barunt wrote:"Obviously smarter than any of us"? I guess some people are easily impressed. Stuff like that interested me mildly when i was in high school, but like i said, most of us moved on.


BTW, i don't believe in Santa Claus anymore either .

Hahaha!!! I totally forgot. Here, maybe you'll pick up on the sarcasm this way:

TheProwler wrote:Here is an intro to the same Fox interview by some guy with a real cool accent. He is obviously smarter than any of us.

Seriously BK, do you actually think I am judging someone's intelligence by their accent??? How gullible are you?

You get so wrapped up in trying to insult me, that you totally miss any humour, or any other content for that matter, in my posts. But you keep stalking me....

You have not added anything to the thread, BK, other than trying to take cheap shots at me, insinuating that my interests and understanding are at a high school level. Once wasn't enough, so you had to do it again. You can't keep up in Flame Wars. Why do you try to here?

On topic, BK. Why do you find it so hard to believe that our species could be the result of genetic engineering by extraterrestrials? Because it doesn't say so in the Bible? Are you afraid of something?

TheProwler wrote:Seriously BK, do you actually think I am judging someone's intelligence by their accent???

I dono.. Some Texans really do fool me..

On the topic of space invaders, if i might post somewhat skeptically without all the whining, pissing and moaning from you,the originator of this thread, just give the matter serious thought:

If there are aliens, why have they not communicated? And don't give me the song and dance about how they "don't want to interfere" - i would term anal probes as interference (maybe you wouldn't) . . . what? you don't believe in these people who have been abducted? So what space invader storys do you believe and which ones do you not believe? Based on what? Any hard evidence? Very subjective isn't it? Like i said, high school material. Go figure.


Honibaz

b.k. barunt wrote:most of us moved on.

You just forgot the part about moving on up.

You know, like "The Jefferson's"?

Or no?

b.k. barunt wrote:A lot of people were into that back in high school. Some grew out of it and some didn't. I gotta say though, this is the first time i've heard that we may have been "created by aliens". Pretty lame.


Honibaz

You should look at the film "Expelled" by Ben Stein, about treatment of scientists who suggest there might be intelligent design. Stien interviews the famous atheist, Dawkins, who starts out asserting that ID is unscientific because there "is no evidence of" any kind of God or intelligent designer, then ends up endorsing the idea that highly developed aliens interfered with the evolution process. Pretty funny.

daddy1gringo wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:A lot of people were into that back in high school. Some grew out of it and some didn't. I gotta say though, this is the first time i've heard that we may have been "created by aliens". Pretty lame.


Honibaz

You should look at the film "Expelled" by Ben Stein, about treatment of scientists who suggest there might be intelligent design. Stien interviews the famous atheist, Dawkins, who starts out asserting that ID is unscientific because there "is no evidence of" any kind of God or intelligent designer, then ends up endorsing the idea that highly developed aliens interfered with the evolution process. Pretty funny.

I've seen it, and that's not quite what I recall.

Dawkins does say that yes, it certainly is possible that intelligent being(s) that did not originate on earth might have had a hand (or other appendage) in the origin of life and possibly the ensuing evolutionary processes on earth, and these beings in turn might be the result of some other beings interfering with their environment of origin. Ultimately, however, life must have a natural cause that can be explained with the laws of physics or other branch of science that derives from it.

Until we have evidence of these aliens interfering with the evolutionary processes that have taken place on earth it is safer to assume that there has not been any such interference. "Aliens" in this case includes what religious folk would refer to as "god".


Ben Stein makes quite a fool of himself in that movie I think.

You certainly have a lot of questions. I'll answer them separately..

b.k. barunt wrote:If there are aliens, why have they not communicated?

First of all, I think you are assuming they have not communicated. Maybe they have, I don't know.

Secondly, maybe they are unable. Are you unaware of the whole Planet X, elliptical orbit theory? They might be too far away *most of the time* to communicate with us. Every 3600 years or so, it might be within their technological abilities...

b.k. barunt wrote:And don't give me the song and dance about how they "don't want to interfere" - i would term anal probes as interference (maybe you wouldn't) . . . what?

I didn't give you a song and dance. Yeah, anal probes would be interference. But this is the first mention of anal probes. And it was completely unnecessary. Try to stay focused. Not sure what the "what?" was asking.

b.k. barunt wrote: you don't believe in these people who have been abducted?

I have no idea. I haven't really looked into it. Again, this is the first mention of alien abductions. Why are you trying to expand the subject so much? Really, stay focused. We can expand the scope of the topic once you actually address the original ideas.

b.k. barunt wrote:So what space invader storys do you believe and which ones do you not believe?

I keep an open mind. That doesn't mean I believe anything other than I believe in the possibility of several theories being accurate.

b.k. barunt wrote:Based on what?

Evidence.

b.k. barunt wrote:Any hard evidence?

Not conclusive, no.

b.k. barunt wrote:Very subjective isn't it?

Of course. So is every other theory out there. That doesn't mean I'm going to close my mind.

b.k. barunt wrote:Like i said, high school material. Go figure.

Errr...you asked a bunch of non-rhetorical questions...and then came to some kind of conclusion...that doesn't make sense.


This is what I am seeing: Religions, ancient prophesies, and science (a lot of science) are all "coming together". And it all seems to be focused in late 2012.


I have criticized the people in this forum in the past for taking a hard stance for or against a certain point of view very early in a discussion, and not being able to keep an open mind or admit there is information that they were not aware. To remain flexible in your thoughts and opinions shows intelligence, maturity, and even self esteem. This is not a structured debate in which a person must choose a side and argue it to the bitter end. That is counter-productive in my opinion.

Maybe I'm just expecting too much.

MeDeFe wrote:Dawkins does say that yes, it certainly is possible that intelligent being(s) that did not originate on earth might have had a hand (or other appendage) in the origin of life and possibly the ensuing evolutionary processes on earth, and these beings in turn might be the result of some other beings interfering with their environment of origin. Ultimately, however, life must have a natural cause that can be explained with the laws of physics or other branch of science that derives from it.

These words "might" and "possible"...they are good words.

I don't like the word must in this case. We humans over-estimate our own knowledge way too much. We always have. When are we going to face the fact that there is a huge amount of knowledge that we do not possess? Even much of what we "know" and "understand" is possibly, even probably, wrong. It always has been.

TheProwler wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:Dawkins does say that yes, it certainly is possible that intelligent being(s) that did not originate on earth might have had a hand (or other appendage) in the origin of life and possibly the ensuing evolutionary processes on earth, and these beings in turn might be the result of some other beings interfering with their environment of origin. Ultimately, however, life must have a natural cause that can be explained with the laws of physics or other branch of science that derives from it.

These words "might" and "possible"...they are good words.

I don't like the word must in this case. We humans over-estimate our own knowledge way too much. We always have. When are we going to face the fact that there is a huge amount of knowledge that we do not possess? Even much of what we "know" and "understand" is possibly, even probably, wrong. It always has been.

Would you posit that life and intelligence existed before matter, even before space in which matter could exist existed?

MeDeFe wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:Dawkins does say that yes, it certainly is possible that intelligent being(s) that did not originate on earth might have had a hand (or other appendage) in the origin of life and possibly the ensuing evolutionary processes on earth, and these beings in turn might be the result of some other beings interfering with their environment of origin. Ultimately, however, life must have a natural cause that can be explained with the laws of physics or other branch of science that derives from it.

These words "might" and "possible"...they are good words.

I don't like the word must in this case. We humans over-estimate our own knowledge way too much. We always have. When are we going to face the fact that there is a huge amount of knowledge that we do not possess? Even much of what we "know" and "understand" is possibly, even probably, wrong. It always has been.

Would you posit that life and intelligence existed before matter, even before space in which matter could exist existed?

Posit is such a strong word!

I will say that I think we know very little about life and the creation of life.

Get all your scientists together and tell them to get all the materials they need and ask them to create life from materials that are all not alive. We can't do it. We can genetically manipulate existing forms of life. But create life?

I think you are overestimating our knowledge. I am not going to pretend that I understand how life began. I can understand some theories. But, given how little we really know, who can say what is really the truth?

Anyways, I just objected to the use of the word "must" because it is a conclusive word and we are not knowledgeable enough to make conclusions on that subject.

So, could it be that these ancient civilizations were in fact created by the people from Planet X?

And could it be that Planet X will be nice and close again sometime late in 2012?


Polar shift anyone?

I don't remember anything about planet "X". Do tell.