Conquer Club

Juan_Bottom wrote:Also, they weren't nuked!

wat

Dariune wrote:Now i didnt read all of the messages so i dont know that a number of Americans chose american cities but i imagine a lot of Americans would.
Its both Americas (sterio typically) most endearing quality and frustrating attribute. The fact that so many blindly support their country and its achievments with little real understanding of impact or opposing arguments.

GabonX wrote:

GabonX wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:Atlantis.

In all seriousness though, I would have to say Jerusalem..

Jihad, the crusades.... For thousands of years control of the city has been contested by the world's major powers. Empires have risen and fallen in pursuit of this city.

It's one of the most sacred sites for all three of the worlds great monotheistic religions (almost half the world's population) and even today the fate of Jerusalem will profoundly affect the world..

The city could very well be the fuse which ignites the world's next great war.

I take it all back..

The most important city the world has ever known is actually Lancaster Pennsylvania..

Juan_Bottom wrote:OK, it's impossible for me to work out a cohesive argument for any city in the East. Unless we are talking about Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

So no more Devils Advocate for me.

Truly I could see someone choosing one of those, but the answer has got to be Rome or London right? Likewise could it be Berlin just for ending the British Empire?

I'm not too sure just how east you need to go Juan, but have you ever thought that possibly St Petersburg might be slightly more important than Hiroshima?

The February Revolution (March 1917) was a revolution focused around St Petersburg.
It was the city that gave rise to the Russian Revolution and then the spread of communism....

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's more important than Babylon, but you have your American blinkers on. America bombed Nagasaki - So Nagasaki is important.

Lord+Master wrote:Babylon, without which we wouldn't have the cool name Nebuchadnezzar

+1

..civilisation and law is more important than the capital of some loose fragmented empire/religious sect copying and twisting old knowledge.

Pedronicus wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:OK, it's impossible for me to work out a cohesive argument for any city in the East. Unless we are talking about Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

So no more Devils Advocate for me.

Truly I could see someone choosing one of those, but the answer has got to be Rome or London right? Likewise could it be Berlin just for ending the British Empire?

I'm not too sure just how east you need to go Juan, but have you ever thought that possibly St Petersburg might be slightly more important than Hiroshima?

The February Revolution (March 1917) was a revolution focused around St Petersburg.
It was the city that gave rise to the Russian Revolution and then the spread of communism....

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's more important than Babylon, but you have your American blinkers on. America bombed Nagasaki - So Nagasaki is important.

Surely Stalingrad is #1 for Russia cities. WWII has been way more important to the world then the rise of communism (although they are heavily interlinked).

Pedronicus wrote:Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's more important than Babylon, but you have your American blinkers on. America bombed Nagasaki - So Nagasaki is important.

What I'm going for is the way the world completely changed as Russia and the United States entered the Cold War, with the threat of Nuclear Winter looming overhead. I can't think of another period in history when two countries hated each other so much, but didn't do anything about it. The whole worldwide political landscape after Nagasaki changed, and not just because of the war itself. But anyway, I was just throwing it out there. Still, Hiroshima imo is more important than Kyoto/Tokyo as far as global importance goes. It's difficult to nominate an Asian City if only because of the Huns and Japan's isolationism.

Metsfanmax wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:Also, they weren't nuked!

wat

Atomic Bomb isn't the same thing

rockfist wrote:I grew up in Wisconsin and I can make the statement that there is no other place like it in North America for alcohol consumption...none when we were at UW it was not unusual for us to drink between 12-18 cans of beer on the three hour drive from Madison to where a bunch of us grew up...as the driver passengers always drank more because they had the piss jugg they could use, which was damn hard to do as the driver...you had to hold it in. Try that once...drink 12-18 beers in an three hours without pissing. Its not as easy as you would think it was.

Rome is the most important city ever, followed by London.

Been to Wisconsin, but also been elsewhere. The heaviest culture of drinkers is not in the US.. sorry. A couple of individuals, perhaps, might make the "cut" (particularly since we get a lot of immigrants). But heaviest drinking communities.. no way.

Bagdhad

i know saddam and stuff but this is where
the first civilization sprung up
without it, america would not be here

Pedronicus wrote:To all Americans who didn't choose an American City. Well done.

Happy now?

All I'm saying is that too many Americans, when given a question about anything to do with the globe, always seem to plump for an American answer.
I live in London, the epicentre of the worlds largest ever empire, but I wouldn't ever shout London. Why? - Because I can see the bigger picture.
Does that help to explain my frustration at some of the American-centric answers given in this thread?

I don't think that's the case at all. First of all, I'm pretty sure maybe one American picked a US city in this thread. So, evidence doesn't bear what you think out (at least with this thread).

What I do think is that the Bumpage forum is full of American posters who talk about what's important to them (namely stuff here). And as far as I can tell, it's okay to be proud of your country and its cities. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; if you want to talk about non-US centric shit, start some threads. I'll gladly discuss. Anyway, your continuous "Americans are stupid" rantings could, potentially, give credence to the idea that you are a typical European who hates Americans.

Been to Wisconsin, but also been elsewhere. The heaviest culture of drinkers is not in the US.. sorry. A couple of individuals, perhaps, might make the "cut" (particularly since we get a lot of immigrants). But heaviest drinking communities.. no way.

i thought scottish folk were the worst folk for drinking,then i met some russians,how wrong i was

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:Also, they weren't nuked!

wat

Atomic Bomb isn't the same thing

...

The weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear weapons. Therefore, those cities were nuked. I don't understand your point.

Just messing with you. I had a joke but I forgot it.

I am totally awesome!

gordon1975 wrote:

Been to Wisconsin, but also been elsewhere. The heaviest culture of drinkers is not in the US.. sorry. A couple of individuals, perhaps, might make the "cut" (particularly since we get a lot of immigrants). But heaviest drinking communities.. no way.

i thought scottish folk were the worst folk for drinking,then i met some russians,how wrong i was

I have never seen my stepfather drink anything non-alcoholic. Ever.

safariguy5 wrote:I'd have to go with Constantinople/Istanbul. When the Mongols wrecked the Western Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire held on for I think 500 years.

It wasn´t the mongols and not the western empire either..
The eastern empire was wrecked by crusaders and turks before the mongols came.

Wasn't Mesopotamia the first place to have beer? ... Even more important!?

snufkin wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:I'd have to go with Constantinople/Istanbul. When the Mongols wrecked the Western Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire held on for I think 500 years.

It wasn´t the mongols and not the western empire either..
The eastern empire was wrecked by crusaders and turks before the mongols came.

I think he meant Huns and Visigoths instead of Mongols.

gordon1975 wrote:New York,Rome,Alexandia,London,Paris,Athens,Jerusalem,moscow and the list goes on ,what in your opinion is the most important city we have ever known that has shaped the the way the world works?its a pretty hard question,so a city and a reason please?i will go for alexandria at the moment,it bridged east and west,brought the best minds in the world together,so name your city and give a reason,think this could be intresting to see what people think

which alexandia?

PLAYER57832 wrote:

rockfist wrote:I grew up in Wisconsin and I can make the statement that there is no other place like it in North America for alcohol consumption...none when we were at UW it was not unusual for us to drink between 12-18 cans of beer on the three hour drive from Madison to where a bunch of us grew up...as the driver passengers always drank more because they had the piss jugg they could use, which was damn hard to do as the driver...you had to hold it in. Try that once...drink 12-18 beers in an three hours without pissing. Its not as easy as you would think it was.

Rome is the most important city ever, followed by London.

Been to Wisconsin, but also been elsewhere. The heaviest culture of drinkers is not in the US.. sorry. A couple of individuals, perhaps, might make the "cut" (particularly since we get a lot of immigrants). But heaviest drinking communities.. no way.

I am not sorry. I am from Northern Wisconsin and I can tell you the drinking in WI is the worst in the US. I've been just about everwhere in the US and some places in Europe. At my age it is a source of mild embarassment not a source of pride.

Rockfist, I thought for sure you would name Bedrock as the most influential city ever. Wisconsin??????