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Egypt's army has clashed with protesters that refuse to leave Cairo's Liberation Square two days after the US-backed dictator Hosni Mubarak was ousted from power.


Soldiers on Sunday scuffled with thousands of protesters camping out in the Square, the focal point of massive rallies that brought down Mubarak on Friday, a Press TV correspondent reported.

Shouting slogans, protesters fought street battles with soldiers forcing them to back away, the report added.

The protesters, remaining in Cairo's central Liberation Square on Saturday night, warned of holding further rallies if the military fails to fulfill its promise of a peaceful transition of power to a democratic civilian system.

Eighteen days of revolution across Egypt forced the embattled Mubarak to leave office on Friday, handing over power to a military council.

The military promised "a peaceful transition of power" to an elected civilian government on Saturday in order to build "a free democratic state."

However, the new military leadership did not set a timetable to fulfill the pledge.

dimes bud wrote:I'm fine bro. Don't worry. The regime is using hoodlums now against honor people who seeking for thier freedom. God bless Egypt!

Unknown saboteurs attacked an Egyptian pipeline supplying gas to Jordan, forcing authorities to switch off gas supply from a twin pipeline to Israel, an official told AFP.

The attackers used explosives against the pipeline in the town of Lihfen in northern Sinai, near the Gaza Strip, the official said. It was initially thought the pipeline to Israel was attacked.

"The pipeline to Jordan has been attacked and the supply to Israel has been cut off," the official said.

muy_thaiguy wrote:I wouldn't call it fullscale civil war just yet, but it's getting closer and closer to it. All it needs is that one spark to really set it off. Once that happens, well it won't be pretty.

Army of GOD wrote:Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

Phatscotty wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

Army of GOD wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

Hm, ok. I agree though. We should pull the f*ck out of there and everywhere. I agree with Tea Party economic ideals, but I also agree with early US Isolationism. It's not gonna happen with the current "corporate democrats and republicans" though.

Army of GOD wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

Hm, ok. I agree though. We should pull the f*ck out of there and everywhere. I agree with Tea Party economic ideals, but I also agree with early US Isolationism. It's not gonna happen with the current "corporate democrats and republicans" though.

Phatscotty wrote:Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Woodruff wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

Woodruff wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

Iliad wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

I think he just channeling Sarah Palin and trying to pin it all back on Obama and take any opportunity to attack him

Symmetry wrote:Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

It's not about what I would like! It's about what it was. Many people are proudly denying there was an ounce of violence. I only point out it is completely incorrect to do so. Yet I do still wonder further, why the lie?

I don't think Obama shoulda done jack. Therefore, I don't even consider the possibility that Obama should have done anything to bring about anything.

The only things I think Obama shoulda done was earned some executive experience before running for president and hired better people to the Egypt related positions, rather than the people who raised the most money for his campaign in 2008.

Phatscotty wrote:Where I think Obama blew it was not being clear, being over-active, sending different diplomats who ended up saying different things. It was so bad I don't even think the people of Egypt give a crap what Obama thinks. It may very well turn into a blunder.

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

It's not about what I would like! It's about what it was. Many people are proudly denying there was an ounce of violence. I only point out it is completely incorrect to do so. Yet I do still wonder further, why the lie?

I don't think Obama shoulda done jack. Therefore, I don't even consider the possibility that Obama should have done anything to bring about anything.

The only things I think Obama shoulda done was earned some executive experience before running for president and hired better people to the Egypt related positions, rather than the people who raised the most money for his campaign in 2008.

A few things here- I don't believe that anybody is really denying that violence occurred, but that it wasn't a violent revolution. I see your point, and maybe it's a matter of semantics, but I could point to many peaceful demonstrations that were violent if you consider only isolated incidents. This was no bloody coup, and I don't really understand the "lie" point, it seems a bit harsh on those who disagree with you. Are we all just liars?

Symmetry wrote:On your other points- I don't get how Obama blew it with Egypt. He doesn't seem to have done too much apart from warn against violence, and at one point suggest that military aid would be reviewed if the army stepped in (just going from memory here).

Your post seems to suggest that you think Obama blew it long ago, and that he was wrong from the start as a president. I think that may be the source of the criticisms about opportunism.