Egypt Vidz

[Phatscotty]

This may be the best military/industrial coup since Kennedy & Johnson.

Egypt's army has clashed with protesters that refuse to leave Cairo's Liberation Square two days after the US-backed dictator Hosni Mubarak was ousted from power.


Soldiers on Sunday scuffled with thousands of protesters camping out in the Square, the focal point of massive rallies that brought down Mubarak on Friday, a Press TV correspondent reported.

Shouting slogans, protesters fought street battles with soldiers forcing them to back away, the report added.

The protesters, remaining in Cairo's central Liberation Square on Saturday night, warned of holding further rallies if the military fails to fulfill its promise of a peaceful transition of power to a democratic civilian system.

Eighteen days of revolution across Egypt forced the embattled Mubarak to leave office on Friday, handing over power to a military council.

The military promised "a peaceful transition of power" to an elected civilian government on Saturday in order to build "a free democratic state."

However, the new military leadership did not set a timetable to fulfill the pledge.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/164997.html

Video of fierce Egypt clashes

More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo

Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo

Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!

vehicle runs over protesters

Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo

Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

[2dimes]

Looks ugly, my bud was expecting it to be this way. He just got back online today.

I'm fine bro. Don't worry. The regime is using hoodlums now against honor people who seeking for thier freedom. God bless Egypt!

[Phatscotty]

Saboteurs attack Egypt gas pipeline to Jordan

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110205/wl ... 0205123242

Unknown saboteurs attacked an Egyptian pipeline supplying gas to Jordan, forcing authorities to switch off gas supply from a twin pipeline to Israel, an official told AFP.

The attackers used explosives against the pipeline in the town of Lihfen in northern Sinai, near the Gaza Strip, the official said. It was initially thought the pipeline to Israel was attacked.

"The pipeline to Jordan has been attacked and the supply to Israel has been cut off," the official said.

[muy_thaiguy]

I wouldn't call it fullscale civil war just yet, but it's getting closer and closer to it. All it needs is that one spark to really set it off. Once that happens, well it won't be pretty.

[Phatscotty]

I wouldn't call it fullscale civil war just yet, but it's getting closer and closer to it. All it needs is that one spark to really set it off. Once that happens, well it won't be pretty.

It's not over yet.

300 dead, approx 8,000 injured, so far...

[Army of GOD]

Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

[muy_thaiguy]

For the demonstrator shot video, it looks like it was with rubber bullets (according to one of the posts on there), so it wasn't lethal and at most, the demonstrator was stunned and will have bruises for awhile. But the car thing, damn. That shit ain't right. Like I said, once it has that right spark, all hell will REALLY break loose, and you could probably tab on a few more zeroes to that death count.

[Phatscotty]

Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu

[Army of GOD]

Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

Hm, ok. I agree though. We should pull the f*ck out of there and everywhere. I agree with Tea Party economic ideals, but I also agree with early US Isolationism. It's not gonna happen with the current "corporate democrats and republicans" though.

[Phatscotty]

Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

Hm, ok. I agree though. We should pull the f*ck out of there and everywhere. I agree with Tea Party economic ideals, but I also agree with early US Isolationism. It's not gonna happen with the current "corporate democrats and republicans" though.

It's a tough issue, and I fully expect another conservative to step in and chide me, and I'm ready to have that discussion too. It's not as simple as it sounds, but it is an ideal that we should strive for and at least try to uphold.

[Army of GOD]

Agreed.

[HapSmo19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K-5SC4i1I4

[muy_thaiguy]

Are Tea Partiers for US intervention in Egypt?

I can't speak for all of them. For the Tea Party, the only issues I can speak for is on less spending, less borrowing, less taxes/regulations, more liberty. I can assume that most of the Tea Partiers are for non-intervention, as I am. It does get tricky though if one thinks the security of Israel, or Middle Eastern peace and stability are more important than non-interventionism.

Hm, ok. I agree though. We should pull the f*ck out of there and everywhere. I agree with Tea Party economic ideals, but I also agree with early US Isolationism. It's not gonna happen with the current "corporate democrats and republicans" though.

Uhm, we're about 70 years past being an Isolationist country. Especially with the advent of the internet, global economy, and various other instances that make being isolationist prectically impossible for most countries in the world, especially the US.

[Woodruff]

Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

[Iliad]

Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

I think he just channeling Sarah Palin and trying to pin it all back on Obama and take any opportunity to attack him

[Phatscotty]

Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

would you mind watching the video of the guy making the case that Obama blew it and then try dealing with those rather than saying I think Obama should invade Egypt?
geez

[Phatscotty]

Video of fierce Egypt clashes
More video of Tahrir Square chaos as stones fly, gunshots heard in Cairo
Camels & horses storm into Tahrir Square as protesters clash in Cairo
Egypt Cairo Firebombs Battle of Al Tahrir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw A clip from MSNBC this morning, where the host tries to paint a picture of extreme peace in Egypt and gets called out on it. It's almost like De Ja Vu. NEW!!!
vehicle runs over protesters
Demonstrator Shot in Egypt Outside Cairo
Rock Throwing Continues in Tahrir Square During 2nd Day of Clashes

Obama blew it? You wanted him to invade? Or you believe Mubarak would have stepped down nicely if Obama had just asked?

I think he just channeling Sarah Palin and trying to pin it all back on Obama and take any opportunity to attack him

and why is that?

[Symmetry]

Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

[Phatscotty]

Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

It's not about what I would like! It's about what it was. Many people are proudly denying there was an ounce of violence. I only point out it is completely incorrect to do so. Yet I do still wonder further, why the lie?

I don't think Obama shoulda done jack. Therefore, I don't even consider the possibility that Obama should have done anything to bring about anything.

The only things I think Obama shoulda done was earned some executive experience before running for president and hired better people to the Egypt related positions, rather than the people who raised the most money for his campaign in 2008.

[Phatscotty]

Where I think Obama blew it was not being clear, being over-active, sending different diplomats who ended up saying different things. It was so bad I don't even think the people of Egypt give a crap what Obama thinks. It may very well turn into a blunder.

[Symmetry]

Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

It's not about what I would like! It's about what it was. Many people are proudly denying there was an ounce of violence. I only point out it is completely incorrect to do so. Yet I do still wonder further, why the lie?

I don't think Obama shoulda done jack. Therefore, I don't even consider the possibility that Obama should have done anything to bring about anything.

The only things I think Obama shoulda done was earned some executive experience before running for president and hired better people to the Egypt related positions, rather than the people who raised the most money for his campaign in 2008.

A few things here- I don't believe that anybody is really denying that violence occurred, but that it wasn't a violent revolution. I see your point, and maybe it's a matter of semantics, but I could point to many peaceful demonstrations that were violent if you consider only isolated incidents. This was no bloody coup, and I don't really understand the "lie" point, it seems a bit harsh on those who disagree with you. Are we all just liars?

On your other points- I don't get how Obama blew it with Egypt. He doesn't seem to have done too much apart from warn against violence, and at one point suggest that military aid would be reviewed if the army stepped in (just going from memory here).

Your post seems to suggest that you think Obama blew it long ago, and that he was wrong from the start as a president. I think that may be the source of the criticisms about opportunism.

[Phatscotty]

guys, here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeNPJvzjqw

[Symmetry]

Where I think Obama blew it was not being clear, being over-active, sending different diplomats who ended up saying different things. It was so bad I don't even think the people of Egypt give a crap what Obama thinks. It may very well turn into a blunder.

Apologies- I didn't look for your second post here. The mixed messages were an issue, and it wasn't great, but I don't think it affected anything really. I don't think the people of Egypt ever gave a crap about what Obama thinks. I don't think that was what the revolution was about. Having said that, his early speech in Cairo seems to have some resonance, and the threat to military aid may have had a restraining effect. A lot of maybes though. Obama blew it? I'd say there's much to come before making that decision.

From your previous post though, I think you made that decision long before Egypt.

[Phatscotty]

Phatscotty- what would you have like to have seen happen in Egypt, and how do you think Obama could have brought that about?

It's not about what I would like! It's about what it was. Many people are proudly denying there was an ounce of violence. I only point out it is completely incorrect to do so. Yet I do still wonder further, why the lie?

I don't think Obama shoulda done jack. Therefore, I don't even consider the possibility that Obama should have done anything to bring about anything.

The only things I think Obama shoulda done was earned some executive experience before running for president and hired better people to the Egypt related positions, rather than the people who raised the most money for his campaign in 2008.

A few things here- I don't believe that anybody is really denying that violence occurred, but that it wasn't a violent revolution. I see your point, and maybe it's a matter of semantics, but I could point to many peaceful demonstrations that were violent if you consider only isolated incidents. This was no bloody coup, and I don't really understand the "lie" point, it seems a bit harsh on those who disagree with you. Are we all just liars?

not to change the subject, but would you care to opine on why so many of these same very people will tell you the Tea Party is a violent movement?

On your other points- I don't get how Obama blew it with Egypt. He doesn't seem to have done too much apart from warn against violence, and at one point suggest that military aid would be reviewed if the army stepped in (just going from memory here).

Your post seems to suggest that you think Obama blew it long ago, and that he was wrong from the start as a president. I think that may be the source of the criticisms about opportunism.

I'm talking, specifically, about his diplomatic strategy, or the complete lack thereof to be specific. You are wrong about "a long time ago" but it's part my fault. For clarity, the diplomatic strategies and options scenarios should have been done a long time ago. The fact that Obama does not have the experience to deal with this situation.

We will have to wait and see, cuz this is far from over. How much you want to bet there are going to be some changes in Middle Eastern diplomats? and he most certainly did give conflicting statements, and the statements from Hillary and that one other guy Obama sent were even more conflicting.
P.S. I totally gave Obama props for Adopting the economy crushing Bush Tax cuts as his own.