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Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:21 pm
by mpjh
What do you think?
In June, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life published a controversial survey in which 70 percent of Americans said that they believed religions other than theirs could lead to eternal life.
This threw evangelicals into a tizzy. After all, the Bible makes it clear that heaven is a velvet-roped V.I.P. area reserved for Christians. Jesus said so: “I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” But the survey suggested that Americans just weren’t buying that.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:27 pm
by apey
Well it is a vague survey.
There are many different kinds of Christians
Mormons, Evangelicals, Prodistants, Jehovah Witnesses etc
as long as they believe that Jesus is their lord and savior and have repented their sins then yes they can get into heaven
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:31 pm
by Jeff Hardy
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:32 pm
by mpjh
Yes, but the survey covers non-christian people also. so everyone, including Muslims, Hindi's, Animists, Athiests, etc. can get into heaven according to the survey.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:08 pm
by apey
Well that is just crap
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:15 pm
by Backglass
Pro Tip: Magical afterlife fairy lands don't exist.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:19 pm
by mpjh
apey wrote:Well that is just crap
Seems you are in a decided minority.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:21 pm
by Timminz
You forgot one option.
"Heaven? Bend over, and I'll show you."
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:41 pm
by mpjh
Timminz wrote:You forgot one option.
"Heaven? Bend over, and I'll show you."
Yes, I did forget that the hedonist can get into heaven also. However, I only like partners with a clitoris, and no toys.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:13 pm
by Timminz
mpjh wrote:Timminz wrote:You forgot one option.
"Heaven? Bend over, and I'll show you."
Yes, I did forget that the hedonist can get into heaven also. However, I only like partners with a clitoris, and no toys.
As do I.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:21 pm
by Napoleon Ier
Backglass wrote:Pro Tip: Magical afterlife fairy lands don't exist.
Hmm. But a blissful existence fused inside a metaphysical real-plane independent of time of forms might just.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:23 pm
by mpjh
You been watching too much Star Trek. I think you have delusions of being Picard.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:24 pm
by Napoleon Ier
Pew Research wrote: Jesus said so: “I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Right. And there's no way that this passage leaves open an interpretation that the Son of God, described in John 1 as the λογος, or Platonic spirit that underlies the entire metaphysical structure behind the universe, could be reached through other means than just belief in the actual existence a particular man?
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:26 pm
by mpjh
Geez, nappy, now you have to make up false quotes from me. Low, even for you.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:26 pm
by Backglass
Napoleon Ier wrote:Hmm. But a blissful existence fused inside a metaphysical real-plane independent of time of forms might just.
You are free to enjoy whatever delusions your mind can devise if it helps you deal better with death.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:29 pm
by Napoleon Ier
You are free to mock a sensible take on the entire underpinning of continental philosophy by creating ridiculous straw-men if it makes you feel intellectual.
You still look very silly though.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:30 pm
by mpjh
I like silly. Much better than pompous. Your hubris is showing.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:41 pm
by Backglass
Napoleon Ier wrote:You still look very silly though.
So sayeth a grown man who quakes in fear at the evil demons lurking in the dark.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:42 pm
by Napoleon Ier
mpjh wrote:I like silly. Much better than pompous. Your hubris is showing.
By hubris I'm going to assume you mean my ability to consistently dismantled any of the half-baked garblings you and your magic-circus of Che-Guevara shirted lisping mingers make about Christianity being a fairy tale simply by virtue of expounding part of it's doctrine in allegorical form and then try to pass of as the backbone of a rational and logically solid inter-connected statement list sufficient to the establishing of a clear conclusion.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:47 pm
by mpjh
Not what I meant at all. This thread started with a poll that showed that Americans are much more tolerant of the religious beliefs of others. In fact, so tolerant that they believe the ultimate reward of heaven is available to all believers and non-believers alike. Your attack on that is one of arrogant snobbishness that is intolerant of any view but your own. You are in the decided minority in the United States, and we are all better off for that.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:50 pm
by Backglass
Napoleon Ier wrote:mpjh wrote:I like silly. Much better than pompous. Your hubris is showing.
By hubris I'm going to assume you mean my ability to consistently dismantled any of the half-baked garblings you and your magic-circus of Che-Guevara shirted lisping mingers make about Christianity being a fairy tale simply by virtue of expounding part of it's doctrine in allegorical form and then try to pass of as the backbone of a rational and logically solid inter-connected statement list sufficient to the establishing of a clear conclusion.
Well, actually, no. What is hilarious is that you actually think that complex sentence structure = intellectually superior sheep herder.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:49 pm
by Napoleon Ier
Backglass wrote:Napoleon Ier wrote:mpjh wrote:I like silly. Much better than pompous. Your hubris is showing.
By hubris I'm going to assume you mean my ability to consistently dismantled any of the half-baked garblings you and your magic-circus of Che-Guevara shirted lisping mingers make about Christianity being a fairy tale simply by virtue of expounding part of it's doctrine in allegorical form and then try to pass of as the backbone of a rational and logically solid inter-connected statement list sufficient to the establishing of a clear conclusion.
Well, actually, no. What is hilarious is that you actually think that complex sentence structure = intellectually superior sheep herder.
No? Oh, fair enough, it's just another nonsensical statement from an internet monkey trying to avoid rational argument where he knows he's going to get his ass handed to him by the entire forum.
I mean you know Backglass, "them damn Christian assholes like got de complex sentence structuhs n' shit, dawg!". God forbid you run up against that now, you'd need to go out buy a dictionary and everything.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:56 pm
by john9blue
Napoleon Ier wrote:Backglass wrote:Well, actually, no. What is hilarious is that you actually think that complex sentence structure = intellectually superior sheep herder.
No? Oh, fair enough, it's just another nonsensical statement from an internet monkey trying to avoid rational argument where he knows he's going to get his ass handed to him by the entire forum.
Why are you even arguing with Backglass? Just put a straw man in your place and he won't notice the difference.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:09 pm
by mpjh
We know that the "strawman" is the favorite of the rabid christian in these arguments. It is wise of backglass to ignore them.
Re: Heaven, I'm in heaven
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:17 pm
by Napoleon Ier
mpjh wrote:We all know that the "rational argument" is the favorite of the sane person in these arguments. It is wise of backglass to ignore them.