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Listen to this, there's no god. I could show you point by point, argument by argument, the no existence of god but I won't waste my time. Besides, it's not a problem of logic or proofs, it's that you were brainwashed, you wanna believe there's a god and you will try to use theologic arguments ...

The shark still laid eggs. It didn't have sex to reporduce but it is still a form of sexual reproduction (for the terms of this discussion). It was self fertilised but did not come about by cell division of the parent, causing two copies of the original organism. Maybe there is another word than ...

The shark still laid eggs. It didn't have sex to reporduce but it is still a form of sexual reproduction (for the terms of this discussion). It was self fertilised but did not come about by cell division of the parent, causing two copies of the original organism. Maybe there is another word than ...

I pitty you nunz.

Listen to this, there's no god. I could show you point by point, argument by argument, the no existence of god but I won't waste my time. Besides, it's not a problem of logic or proofs, it's that you were brainwashed, you wanna believe there's a god and you will try to use ...

Here is my question / observation: The organisms which are able to breed asexually are only ever simple organisms as far as I am aware. Hermaphrodites (for example) are reasonably common in nature (worms etc) as higher level organisms but that is still a form of sexual reproduction. Therefore the ...

even frogspawn, although looking simple is a very complex form of egg.
an early asexual organism could leave one part of itself, just one cell, which would then grow into the entire organism (like taking a cutting of a plant) This organism would then be classed as egg laying.

Can you show one ...

I remember a biology class a few years back when I was still at school, we saw a movie about a kind of lizard that didn't need to mate in order to lay eggs and reproduce. I don't remember what they were called, it's been years since I saw it, but I think a lizard can be classified as on par with a ...

1 - The chicken and egg story were an anology to explain one of the concepts for why evolution cannot work. It is a summary of a hypothesis.
Colossus - you have offered up a method by which eggs can change (slow hardening of shells by proteins exposed to light and air , the more 'adapted ones would ...

nunz, I am curious as to your background and/or formal training in the area of scientific investigation. I've laid my background out there, both in terms of my spiritual stance as well as my scientific qualifications, so everyone knows where I am coming from. I know nothing about you, and I'm ...

The first question in any proof giving for creationism (other than defining what creationism is) has to be:
Has God been disproved
or Is it possible there might be a God or Gods (supreme sentient power able to create all we know).

If solid evidence for there being no god ever can be given then ...

So you defend the belief in Creationism by saying Science has not and can not disprove God so Creationism is an acceptable belief. This is not the case because there is a lot of evidence backing an alternate theory called Evolution, hence, in the absence of evidence for Creationism one is ...

Okay, first of all nunz, I apologize if my tone is one of arrogance.
S'all right ... I was hot under the collar when I replied. Was trying to get my annoyance across in a serious manner without completely alienating you. My apologies to your parents

The whoo hoo is coz we finally have a dialogue ...

Nunz, your post on the previous page came out as more arrogant and closed-minded than any post yet in this thread. Colossus HAS posted a rebuttal, or a link to one, for every argument you've made. They have been posted in an intelligent and readable way without resorting to science-babble, which I ...

Yah I have read GEB. I used to be a math teacher and used to teach my kids about Penrose tiling. Penrose tiling is a system of tesselation that produces an infinite, yet aperdiodic tiling. very cool. I haven't read the book you cite Heavycola, but it sounds good. The idea that consciousness is non ...

One point creationists make is that someone must have started it all. There must have been a beginning. But why?
Can you imagine the universe? Inifnite, as in there is no end, no start no end, just endless space. If you could imagine that why can't you imagine infinite time. No start no end? I'm ...

The theme of this post - lets be consistent in how we apply the ideas of proof and scientific enquiry as there seems to be double standards.

(irreducible complexity)

I will explain the fundamental flaw in your "scientific" argument here as clearly as I can - first of all, an abstract concept ...

(Re: Colossus' arrogance)

There are entire biochemical and evolution biology courses devoted to explaining, among other things, why a concept you have firmly in your mind as an "egg" is, in fact, continuous. Colossus may not have used the best of tones in explaining why you are wrong, but he is ...

Wow, nunz. This is clearly a useless effort on my part. There are countless books on embryology that deal with the development of eggs in various species (including the chicken). My arguments (which you say aren't arguments, but whatever) are based on years of work in studying the evolutionary ...

what i don't get is that there very plainly IS proof of evolution, just look at all the animals humans have created

e.g some stone age people decided to tame wolves, and a couple of thousand years down the line we have a completely new species-dogs!

ditto collosus' red junglefowl -> chicken thing ...

Okay, first of all, nunz, your chicken and egg argument is so absurd as to be laughable. Have you ever studied evolutionary theory at all?

May I assume you are abusing my intellect or knowledge as you have nothing of substance to say to refute my arguments? This is not proof, it is personal ...

Firstly, I congradulate you for typing all of that and for not using the tired old eye thing.
...

I went and looked up the eye thing ... and found a couple of interesting quotes by Darwin ... just to put the cat amongst the chickens ...

Charles Darwin admitted,

QUOTE

"If it could be ...

Skittles! wrote:
I think you're delusional.

What? Where? Huh? Who said that? Must be that pesky reality coming back to haunt me. After all skittles knows for sure there is no god

So if they happened at once in one generation we are looking at a huge mutation of a single animal. That animal, the new egg laying species, would be completely incompatible for breeding purposes with any other animal of its old species. It would die out for lack of mates.

Firstly, I congradulate ...

I went to put my piece on chicken and egg up and found I had timed out.

The page I had written returned blank. Lucky for me I was paranoid enough to copy it to wordpad before pushing the post button.

now the question becomes, does God not want that post up there and tried to stop it going up ...

Yes, there is a possibility that we were created by some kind of being(s) or force in the universe. it is equally possible that we were came out of eons of slow genetic mutation and adaptation.

A possibility among an infinite number of others is no cause for building dogma.

But there is not an ...