Germany Revamp

[militant]

That is what lack wants. Improved Graphics. He wants eye popping great graphics to attract new players. It is not about history, it is about getting new players.

The bolded text is incredibly sad, i understand why lack wants new players coming and a nice looking map would sway them to join or by premium, but there is 21601 active members who may like the old map, yet this is disregarded to make room for new players. It is evident that the older maps are liked by some players and there is a chance that if all the old maps are reveamped then lack may lose customers. It is a shame lack cares more about new players and more premuim than his existing customers.

[pepperonibread]

old middle east and old british isles

with the others the revamp is better

I realize it's just your opinion, but I don't see how anyone could like the old Middle East better. I'm looking at the thread right now, and there are so many things wrong with it: pixelated borders, impassable borders that are ugly brown lines, no textures at all, a 4-way border in Egypt, some badly placed names, an odd cut-off of the Egypt continent, a boring gray background, a bland legend, and overall, just no "eye-candy" whatsoever. The creator even says it was made on MS Paint. The Middle east revamp fixes ever single one of these problems. But that's just me.
Also, I agree with WM completely. I don't see a reason to hang onto the old maps just because they're "history".
Now I'm off topic too...

[mibi]

That is what lack wants. Improved Graphics. He wants eye popping great graphics to attract new players. It is not about history, it is about getting new players.

The bolded text is incredibly sad, i understand why lack wants new players coming and a nice looking map would sway them to join or by premium, but there is 21601 active members who may like the old map, yet this is disregarded to make room for new players. It is evident that the older maps are liked by some players and there is a chance that if all the old maps are reveamped then lack may lose customers. It is a shame lack cares more about new players and more premuim than his existing customers.

i suppose he thinks he will gain more players then lose due to revamps, which I suspect is the case.

[militant]

That is what lack wants. Improved Graphics. He wants eye popping great graphics to attract new players. It is not about history, it is about getting new players.

The bolded text is incredibly sad, i understand why lack wants new players coming and a nice looking map would sway them to join or by premium, but there is 21601 active members who may like the old map, yet this is disregarded to make room for new players. It is evident that the older maps are liked by some players and there is a chance that if all the old maps are reveamped then lack may lose customers. It is a shame lack cares more about new players and more premuim than his existing customers.

i suppose he thinks he will gain more players then lose due to revamps, which I suspect is the case.

Probably, but it is still sad he wants money over catering for what his customers get or want in this case

[yeti_c]

You're clearly not a business person.

C.

[Ogrecrusher]

I never see the point in keeping something inferior, or doing something in an inferior way just because "it's always been done that way". I see this as the same. Compare this map to drafts of recent maps that are still "not good enough", Germany would never make it if this were forged today.

[DiM]

That is what lack wants. Improved Graphics. He wants eye popping great graphics to attract new players. It is not about history, it is about getting new players.

The bolded text is incredibly sad, i understand why lack wants new players coming and a nice looking map would sway them to join or by premium, but there is 21601 active members who may like the old map, yet this is disregarded to make room for new players. It is evident that the older maps are liked by some players and there is a chance that if all the old maps are reveamped then lack may lose customers. It is a shame lack cares more about new players and more premuim than his existing customers.

i suppose he thinks he will gain more players then lose due to revamps, which I suspect is the case.

Probably, but it is still sad he wants money over catering for what his customers get or want in this case

You're clearly not a business person.

C.

actually militant is probably not a business person but in theory he may be right.
strictly from a business point of view what lack does can be bad for business.

in the short term he gets a boost in customers and thus revenue but in the long term he may actually lose both customers and money.

let's simplify. i have a shop where i sell sugar coated donuts. yeti and mibi are my customers and have been buying my donuts every morning for the last year. great customers.

one day i heard that sugar coated donuts are old fashioned and the new gimmick is chocolate donuts. so i get rid of the sugar and add the chocolate. mibi is upset he no longer has his favourite donut so he leaves my shop. 1 customer lost. but 2 new guys come as my customers and start buying my chocolate donuts. short term result i gained 1 extra customer. which is good.

now let's look in the long run. mibi is pissed and he starts telling people how i chose to neglect my customers and took away the sugar donuts when i could have easily made both types. word gets around people hear how DiM neglects his customers and soon no matter what kind of donuts i sell i get no more customers because they all find out how i don't care about them.

of course this is just in theory. clearly there won't be many people leaving and clearly the way words spreads on the internet about this will do no harm to lack's business. but as i said what he does is bad especially since having both the original and the revamped version is really really easy. just add another category (old maps) and put all the originals there. it's a win win situation. lack gets his shiny new maps and brand new customers and the old people get their old favourite maps.

[Lone.prophet]

All thos people who say it wouldnt get through the foundry now

well "feudal wars" got through and that looks worst than germany so SSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT

[WidowMakers]

let's simplify. i have a shop where i sell sugar coated donuts. yeti and mibi are my customers and have been buying my donuts every morning for the last year. great customers.

one day i heard that sugar coated donuts are old fashioned and the new gimmick is chocolate donuts. so i get rid of the sugar and add the chocolate. mibi is upset he no longer has his favourite donut so he leaves my shop. 1 customer lost. but 2 new guys come as my customers and start buying my chocolate donuts. short term result i gained 1 extra customer. which is good.

Except your analogy is wrong. With a revamp we don't get rid of the map from a game play perspective we just make it look better.
So............

...........We are not getting rid of the "sugar donuts". We are making them taste the same and look nicer.

They taste (play) the same. No longer is it just a great tasting (gameplay) donut, but now it is both great tasting (gameplay) and has good curb appeal (looks).

Or let me put it another way. What would you rather buy? A box of donut pieces that tasted great but were all broken or a box of nicely shaped good looking donuts that tasted the same for the same price?

Same cost, same taste, better looks will always win.

People love pretty pictures and designs. If the gameplay is the same, why would anyone choose the inferior design? Again, they would not.

SO DiM give it a rest. CC is not losing any maps. It is losing low quality graphics associated with XML gameplay.

Now if lack ever started removing maps because he only wanted 70 on the site, I would agree with you that players would be lost. But he is not doing that.

WM

[militant]

You're clearly not a business person.

C.

No, i am not a business person, if i was to run a business, my customers happiness would be essential, more so over money.

[DiM]

big quote

to be honest graphically speaking some of the revamps aren't better than the original. i've already said which ones so i won't repeat. i've made my point in their threads but since i was in the minority i lost. no biggie, but i still think they are crappier

that's the problem with revamps you instantly assume they are better and in some cases they really are. but not always.

simply make a poll and ask people what they would want. original + revamp or just the revamp. i'm sure original + revamp would win by a large difference.

and btw i already gave it a rest after i talked to lack. as i said in one of my previous posts he doesn't want it and since cc is his he calls the shots. plain and simple. i'm not the same i used to be wm i'm no longer fighting to improve things i mention them and that's all. if people want to listen fine if they don't again it's fine by me. look through my posts in the past 3 months. have i cause any recent stir? have i come up with revolutions and experiments? no. it's over. i'm too tired. and by this i've made a lot of people feel better.

the old DiM would have made this as a suggestion he would have posted in several threads he would have sent pms and contacted people he would have bugged lack to do it.

the new DiM sent a pm to lack got no for an answer and stopped.

[Sven Hassel]

i miss the old DiM, then

[fireedud]

i miss the old DiM, then

same

[gimil]

Back on topic everyone.

Coleman has already mentioned this going off, so i suggest that we get back on the subject of germany and not how lack runs his business. (the new topic button is your friend)

Since there has already been a warning, any more off topic talk and this thread will either see some trigger happy deleting or a lock.