New Orleans

Paulus · Post by **Paulus** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:00 pm

I am interested in getting a New Orleans map made for CC use. I found two maps that prove rather useful in the production of this map. Here they are:

Map 1: http://www.gnocdc.org/mapping/docs/Neighborhood.pdf

Map 2: http://www.gnocdc.org/orleans/index.html

Map 1 is an overall map of the city with all of the countries outlined. This is what I think the map would basically look like as far as the territories go with the exception of the squared off territories on the right side of the map. I know it's a pdf and not a jpg, bmp, or whatever, but I can't seem to find another map just like this one. Map 2 is the closest I could get to it.

Map 2 is nice because it shows where the continents would be in the form of various neighborhoods(Gentilly, Lakeview, etc.). Another nice feature of this map is the fact that you can click on each neighborhood and see the areas within those neighborhoods, which you can then compare with those on Map 1 to give you a better idea of where everything should be.

So, here's what I basically think the continents should be with their respective countries:
1. Lakeview(6)
* Lakeshore/Lake Vista
* West End
* Lakewood
* Navarre
* City Park
* Lakeview
2. Gentilly( 8 )
* Lake Oaks
* Filmore
* St. Anthony
* Milneburg
* Pontchartrain Park
* Dillard
* Gentilly Terrace
* Gentilly Woods
3. Mid-City(10)
* St. Bernard Area
* Fairgrounds
* Seventh Ward
* Bayou St. John
* Treme'/Lafitte
* Mid-City
* Tulane/Gravier
* Iberville
* Gert Town
* B.W. Cooper (Apts.)
4. Central City/Garden District( 8 )
* Milan
* Touro
* East Riverside
* Central City
* Garden District
* Irish Channel
* Lower Garden District
* St. Thomas (Development)
5. Uptown/Carrollton(11)
* Dixon
* Hollygrove
* Leonidas
* Marlyville/Fontainebleau
* East Carrollton
* Black Pearl
* Audubon
* West Riverside
* Uptown
* Freret
* Broadmoor
6. Downtown(4)
* French Quarter
* Central Business District(CBD)
* Warehouse District
* Superdome
7. Bywater(6) (minus Florida Dev. and Desire Dev.)
* St. Roch
* Marigny
* St. Claude
* Bywater
* Florida
* Desire
8. Algiers(9)
* Algiers Point
* McDonogh
* Whitney
* Fischer (Dev.)
* Behrman
* U.S. Naval Base
* Tall Timbers/Brechtel
* Old Aurora
* New Aurora/English Turn
9. Lower Ninth Ward(3)
* Lower Ninth Ward
* Holy Cross
* Jackson Barracks
10. New Orleans East( 8 )
* Little Woods
* Pines Village
* Plum Orchard
* West Lake Forest
* Read Blvd. East
* Read Blvd. West
* Viavant/Venetian Isles
* Village d'Est

I know it's looks like a lot of territories for one map, but I think it could work. Another idea is to give bonus units for anyone who holds all of the universities: Tulane University(Uptown/Carrollton), Loyola University(Uptown/Carrollton), Xavier University(Mid-City), Dillard University(Gentilly), UNO(Gentilly), Our Lady of Holy Cross College(Algiers). Just an idea though.
Also, I totally lack the graphical skills, cartography skills, etc. to actually produce a CC version of this map. So, any help in that area would appreciated if this idea gets advanced.
Anyway, that's what I got so far.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:45 pm

I like the idea, and think there should be some katrina/flood aspects as the topography has changed since then.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:05 pm

yes, good idea

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:07 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:yes, good idea

Unit_2 · Post by **Unit_2** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:36 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:yes, good idea

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:54 pm

I might be able to get my paws a slightly more detailed map. would you like for me to try?

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:09 pm

The Weird One wrote:I might be able to get my paws a slightly more detailed map. would you like for me to try?

sorry, detailed isn't the proper word. I think the word I was looking for was 'ornamental'

Paulus · Post by **Paulus** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:27 am

I'm not too fond of the idea of incorporating Katrina into the map. I'm not really sure how it would be done either. If it were done, it would be rather complicated. Maybe too complicated and/or time consuming.

Sure, The Weird One. If you can find certain graphics, or even an decorated map, post its link and I'll take a look. Right now, I'm basically thinking "functional" and then having little graphics thrown in later like a fleur-de-lis and maybe some other things. I'll try and look for graphics too.

demon7896 · Post by **demon7896** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:02 pm

i just got a really cool idea.
i think the xml is impossible, though.
ok, so hurricanes are seasonal, right?
so every so often, we have a flood, and all the armies in the flood zone are killed, and the floodzone is non passable. afterwards, the floodwaters are cleared.

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:04 am

demon7896 wrote:i just got a really cool idea.
i think the xml is impossible, though.
ok, so hurricanes are seasonal, right?
so every so often, we have a flood, and all the armies in the flood zone are killed, and the floodzone is non passable. afterwards, the floodwaters are cleared.

interesting, but it would make more sense if it were for a louisiana map or somesuch. (N.O. doesn't often flood)

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:09 am

demon7896 wrote:i just got a really cool idea.
i think the xml is impossible, though.
ok, so hurricanes are seasonal, right?
so every so often, we have a flood, and all the armies in the flood zone are killed, and the floodzone is non passable. afterwards, the floodwaters are cleared.

not possible xml wise..hoever u could base it around the katrina aftermath...negative bonus for being in heavily flooded areas..the stadium providing refuge etc

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:25 am

lord voldemort wrote:
demon7896 wrote:i just got a really cool idea.
i think the xml is impossible, though.
ok, so hurricanes are seasonal, right?
so every so often, we have a flood, and all the armies in the flood zone are killed, and the floodzone is non passable. afterwards, the floodwaters are cleared.

not possible xml wise..hoever u could base it around the katrina aftermath...negative bonus for being in heavily flooded areas..the stadium providing refuge etc

but, in my opinion, that should be a completely seperate map. there should be one of new orleans in all of its glory.

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:35 am

I also agree that Katrina shouldn't be listed on this map. Why bring up algiers on this map though if we're not goign to incorporate the west bank, kenner, and metairaie as they are also suburbs of new orleans being that I live in river ridge and teach on the west bank?

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:39 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:I also agree that Katrina shouldn't be listed on this map. Why bring up algiers on this map though if we're not goign to incorporate the west bank, kenner, and metairaie as they are also suburbs of new orleans being that I live in river ridge and teach on the west bank?

if there's a new orleans map, one of the first things that should be covered is this: will it be new orleans proper, or within the greater new orleans area? (I vote for the first)

Paulus · Post by **Paulus** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:55 pm

I think that the Katrina themes should be excluded from this map. I would prefer it were a map of the City of New Orleans. That's it.

I am also against including Kenner, Metairie, and other areas of the West Bank in this map. This is why:
1. Kenner is in no way part of New Orleans. Kenner is its own city, has its own mayor, and is in Jefferson Parish, which makes it totally separate from New Orleans.
2. Keep in mind that the city of New Orleans is coextensive with Orleans Parish, which means that Metairie is not really part of New Orleans since it lies in Jefferson Parish.
3. I included Algiers because it is an actual ward of the city of New Orleans and has been since 1870. Therefore, its inclusion in the map for New Orleans is completely legitimate. Other parts of the West Bank like Gretna, Westwego, etc. are also in Jefferson Parish making those places outside of the city of New Orleans.

I think this map should be of the "city" of New Orleans and NOT the Greater New Orleans Area, which is a region and not a city. And, because New Orleans is coextensive with Orleans Parish, nothing outside of Orleans Parish should be considered for this map.

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:05 pm

Paulus wrote:I think this map should be of the "city" of New Orleans and NOT the Greater New Orleans Area, which is a region and not a city. And, because New Orleans is coextensive with Orleans Parish, nothing outside of Orleans Parish should be considered for this map.

thanks for clarifying that!

Snowpepsi · Post by **Snowpepsi** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:36 pm

I like it. I also like the "no Katrina" idea.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:48 pm

All references to Katrina would be bad. Like an Aids map of Africa level bad.

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:56 pm

well I think it'd be good have the map represent current new orleans rather than pre-katrina new orleans

I don't think a map where Katrina is happening makes sense for gameplay and for tact's sake. But, a map that represents the current state of the area is a good idea.

Paulus · Post by **Paulus** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:14 pm

In order to keep this moving along, let's proceed with a map of the "city" of New Orleans without any Katrina references using the territories laid out in the first post. So, here's where we basically need to go:
1. Graphical wizards and/or cartographers must be found to bring this map to life. Contact me if you are interested and we can work on it.
2. The bonus value of each continent must be determined.
3. Extra ways of receiving bonus units must be determined (holding all universities, etc.).

Am I missing anything that should be addressed at this particular point?

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:24 pm

Paulus wrote:In order to keep this moving along, let's proceed with a map of the "city" of New Orleans without any Katrina references using the territories laid out in the first post. So, here's where we basically need to go:
1. Graphical wizards and/or cartographers must be found to bring this map to life. Contact me if you are interested and we can work on it.
2. The bonus value of each continent must be determined.
3. Extra ways of receiving bonus units must be determined (holding all universities, etc.).

Am I missing anything that should be addressed at this particular point?

more importantly, the continents.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:35 pm

Coleman wrote:All references to Katrina would be bad. Like an Aids map of Africa level bad.

i would like to see an African aids map.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:45 pm

mibi wrote:
Coleman wrote:All references to Katrina would be bad. Like an Aids map of Africa level bad.

i would like to see an African aids map.

I think comments like this are in bad taste.

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:39 pm

mibi wrote:
Coleman wrote:All references to Katrina would be bad. Like an Aids map of Africa level bad.

i would like to see an African aids map.

however bad the taste of this, it would be an interesting map (if for no other reason than the gameplay)

Eddie35 · Post by **Eddie35** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:49 pm