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Postby Neutrino on Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:07 am

Nataki Yiro wrote:
God may know your decision but you don't... this makes it your fault if you miss out on eternity...
Have some balls (if you're a girl, you are excused) and take some responsibility...


But if God knows your decision, (If it's an extremely educated guess, that's an entirely different matter) then you never actually made the decision for yourself. What you did was follow God's script and deluded yourself quite effectively that you were making the choice.
Therefore free will = nonexistent, with the inclusion of any omnipotent being.

Nataki Yiro wrote:Ex.
Let's say I build a time machine and can go into the future and see your test grades... I tell you I know your grades. Is your ability to study and prepare yourself for the test bound by what I know?
^--- That's how dumb your argument sounds...


Depends on how mutable history is. If we assume that it is immutable (so it can be used as a comparison to an all-knowing God. If you assume it's mutable then all you've done is create an analogy to the "God makes extremely educated guesses" scenario), then no, you made precisely zero difference to their scores. However, you won't be able to travel through time in an immutable universe, so the whole question is moot.
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Re: 1337 haxXXx

Postby Iliad on Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:46 am

Nataki Yiro wrote:That's how I talk... therefore it is how I type. If you have a problem with that, then go talk to your mom... I'm sure she will convince me to stop...

God may know your decision but you don't... this makes it your fault if you miss out on eternity...
Have some balls (if you're a girl, you are excused) and take some responsibility...

It all boils down to you wanting to blame God for problems you cause...

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Let's say I build a time machine and can go into the future and see your test grades... I tell you I know your grades. Is your ability to study and prepare yourself for the test bound by what I know?
^--- That's how dumb your argument sounds...

In other news, Sullivan's new CD is amazing... I really like "The Process"...


If god knows what we're going to do and waht's going to happen, then everything has already been done and we're just doing what we're supposed to do.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Nataki Yiro on Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:52 am

You can't argue about something you don't understand.

It is still free will because you get to choose, even if someone else knows the outcome. Because I still get to choose... whether they know or not... My choice is what they know...

I get why it's so hard for you to understand. Is this not logical? Have you had schooling?
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:33 am

Nataki Yiro wrote:You can't argue about something you don't understand.

It is still free will because you get to choose, even if someone else knows the outcome. Because I still get to choose... whether they know or not... My choice is what they know...

I get why it's so hard for you to understand. Is this not logical? Have you had schooling?

You say it, your choice is what this omniscient being knows, and the way this being knows is the only way you can go. Because if there was an other way you could choose to go the being wouldn't be able to know which one you will go.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Nataki Yiro on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:52 am

But you choose it... that's why He knows...

Could you be anymore dull... It's not that hard to comprehend...
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Napoleon Ier on Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:14 am

MeDeFe wrote:
Nataki Yiro wrote:You can't argue about something you don't understand.

It is still free will because you get to choose, even if someone else knows the outcome. Because I still get to choose... whether they know or not... My choice is what they know...

I get why it's so hard for you to understand. Is this not logical? Have you had schooling?

You say it, your choice is what this omniscient being knows, and the way this being knows is the only way you can go. Because if there was an other way you could choose to go the being wouldn't be able to know which one you will go.


Yes he can, because God's existence is not bound by the frame of timespace, He trancsends that.

I always take the exemple of the rugby match you've recorded and then watch the next day: you know the score from the newspaper or your friends, but that doesn't make the events of the match at the time it was played predetermined.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Frigidus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:00 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
Nataki Yiro wrote:You can't argue about something you don't understand.

It is still free will because you get to choose, even if someone else knows the outcome. Because I still get to choose... whether they know or not... My choice is what they know...

I get why it's so hard for you to understand. Is this not logical? Have you had schooling?

You say it, your choice is what this omniscient being knows, and the way this being knows is the only way you can go. Because if there was an other way you could choose to go the being wouldn't be able to know which one you will go.


Yes he can, because God's existence is not bound by the frame of timespace, He trancsends that.

I always take the exemple of the rugby match you've recorded and then watch the next day: you know the score from the newspaper or your friends, but that doesn't make the events of the match at the time it was played predetermined.


Ding ding ding! Finally someone hits the crux of the issue, the nature of time. Either time is completely linear, and God can see everything but the future (which wouldn't necessarily make the guy imperfect, if it's unknowable then it doesn't lessen the omniscience bit) or God is "outside" of time, whatever that might be. There are much better arguments against free will to be honest. If you really want to troll Christians then just argue from strict determinism.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Neoteny on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:26 am

Nataki Yiro wrote:You can't argue about something you don't understand.

It is still free will because you get to choose, even if someone else knows the outcome. Because I still get to choose... whether they know or not... My choice is what they know...

I get why it's so hard for you to understand. Is this not logical? Have you had schooling?


So... god created me knowing I'm going to choose to go to hell? Is that my fault or his? I suppose you can argue the free will aspects of this all you want, but the fact is that your know-it-all god is a serious dick (read: not very godlike) and is not deserving of my worship, even if he did exist.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Nataki Yiro on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:50 am

If he hadn't created you... then you wouldn't have had a chance to choose... THAT would have been unfair...

You're the **** for blaming God for your stupidity...
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Neoteny on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:51 am

Nataki Yiro wrote:If he hadn't created you... then you wouldn't have had a chance to choose... THAT would have been unfair...

You're the **** for blaming God for your stupidity...


If he knew before he created me, I still wouldn't have a chance to choose. It's the way he created me, dick.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:02 pm

nataki's real name is Richard?
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Nataki Yiro on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:15 pm

I'm Irish... Richard wouldn't be a very good Irish name...
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby btownmeggy on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:41 pm

[quote="Nataki Yiro"]I'm Irish... Richard wouldn't be a very good Irish name...[/quote]

Yet, you're... Texan?
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Frigidus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:45 pm

[quote="btownmeggy"][quote="Nataki Yiro"]I'm Irish... Richard wouldn't be a very good Irish name...[/quote]

Yet, you're... Texan?[/quote]

Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day. That was just a little while ago, right?

EDIT: OK, what the hell do you do to make the freaking quotes work? This is made of lame and fail.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby got tonkaed on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:10 pm

I find it rather interesting that Nataki seems to be completly unbothered by the thin line of hypocrisy that one must balance themselves on when claiming to have an absolutist understanding of something that is inherently subjective.
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MYTH: Athiests know things...

Postby Nataki Yiro on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:43 pm

I find it interesting that you lack intelligence...
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Who said an Irishman couldn't live in Texas? I mean after all... it is the best state...
Who are you to judge an Irishman living in Texas?

I look like a freaking leprechaun when I let my beard grow out. My hair couldn't be any more red. I bleed Irish...
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Frigidus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:37 pm

NY is right! This thread has gotten far too good natured in the past few posts. What happened to laughing at each others ridiculous beliefs?
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby got tonkaed on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:20 am

Frigidus wrote:NY is right! This thread has gotten far too good natured in the past few posts. What happened to laughing at each others ridiculous beliefs?


For a while everyone achieved too much internal harmony to worry about something as silly as whether or not someone shared ones particular views about the nature of choice and particular persuasion of religion one prefers.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby MeDeFe on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:06 am

/me sits on the floor and goes oommm
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:40 am

::wakes up::

How long was I out?
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby reminisco on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:17 am

i believe that atheists celebrate christmas by eating their children's brains.
have you ever seen an idealist with grey hairs on his head?
or successful men who keep in touch with unsuccessful friends?
you only think you did
i could have sworn i saw it too
but as it turns out it was just a clever ad for cigarettes.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:21 am

reminisco wrote:i believe that atheists celebrate christmas by eating their children's brains.


You have just been reported to the NCSE. Prepare to be erased.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby MeDeFe on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:36 am

Neoteny wrote:
reminisco wrote:i believe that atheists celebrate christmas by eating their children's brains.

You have just been reported to the NCSE. Prepare to be erased.

If it's any consolation, your family will not mourn you because you will never have existed in the first place.
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby reminisco on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:45 am

i believe that atheists celebrate Christmas by playing The Island of Dr. Moreau on a continuous loop while zapping mud with a tesla coil and shouting "RISE! RISE, My evolutions!"
have you ever seen an idealist with grey hairs on his head?
or successful men who keep in touch with unsuccessful friends?
you only think you did
i could have sworn i saw it too
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Re: Do athiests celebrate christmas?

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:45 am

reminisco wrote:i believe that atheists celebrate Christmas by playing The Island of Dr. Moreau on a continuous loop while zapping mud with a tesla coil and shouting "RISE! RISE, My evolutions!"


Lmao, shit, I do that on weekends.
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