Grimm's Fairy Tales Mafia Day 5!

[Selin]

Just kidding, great game, I hope you guys will go all the way.

Unvote

Turkey, once again, did not play well, but Croatia also played very safe (more than necessary) and didn't enter into any risk during the whole match. I think the normal score should have been 0-0 after 120 minutes. However the result of penalties could have been the other way in that case.

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[Selin]

yep. i turned pmchugh into a log, and then burned him. and i'd do it again, if i was still scum

So everyone in this game has a different role now? Damn you Tal!

No, completely and utterly wrong, you dumpling.
Some people changed roles, others didn't - the latter including anyone who went as a Cat.

Let's be more specific. Only those who were dressed as Miller's daughter in the party were affected by Rumpel's curse.

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[Minister Masket]

"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"

You've been skirting that line all game Selin.

[Selin]

This sucks! I want to talk to Selin before the day is over, but he's been gone and now I'm leaving soon to go camping for a couple days.

I'm leaving in 4 minutes, so I might as well let it out...

I tracked mandy last night. He targeted Selin and Fircoal with the strength of a thousand black bears. When I read the night scene I thought nothing of it until Selin said he was the ONLY rooster. If you read the night scene a 900-year old woman targeted someone who was saved by a rooster with the power of his glowing feathers. If Selin knows who he saved (was it Fircoal?) that would confirm that mandy is the wrinkled, dusty woman who tried to kill Fircoal with her wand more powerful than all the fairies put together. I can't confirm 147% that mandy is scum, but do you think he would target Fircoal? of course he would, and I've been suspicious of him since the beginning of time.

BTW I tracked Selin day 1 and dustn day 2 and they've done nothing on those days.

I'll keep my vote on ga7 for now, but SFOS on mandy

As far as I know I didn't save Fircoal (unless I was bus driven)

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(I'll be gone most likely until sunday afternoon)

[Selin]

This sucks! I want to talk to Selin before the day is over, but he's been gone and now I'm leaving soon to go camping for a couple days.

I'm leaving in 4 minutes, so I might as well let it out...

I tracked mandy last night. He targeted Selin and Fircoal with the strength of a thousand black bears. When I read the night scene I thought nothing of it until Selin said he was the ONLY rooster. If you read the night scene a 900-year old woman targeted someone who was saved by a rooster with the power of his glowing feathers. If Selin knows who he saved (was it Fircoal?) that would confirm that mandy is the wrinkled, dusty woman who tried to kill Fircoal with her wand more powerful than all the fairies put together. I can't confirm 147% that mandy is scum, but do you think he would target Fircoal? of course he would, and I've been suspicious of him since the beginning of time.

BTW I tracked Selin day 1 and dustn day 2 and they've done nothing on those days.

I'll keep my vote on ga7 for now, but SFOS on mandy

(I'll be gone most likely until sunday afternoon)

EBWOP
As far as I know I didn't save Fircoal (unless I was bus driven)

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[FloresDelMal]

looking at mandy hint, to nag confussion, etc. i think is pretty safe to assume that we DO have a bus driver, but since this role is usually pro town i think we shouldnt push too hard into discover who this person might be.

[DRoZ]

*zzzz* Sorry I haven't been terribly active recently, Ive had a busy week, and another busy week to look forward to. However, right now I see fircoal looking the most scummy at the moment purely for the fact that there is a good number of votes on him and has given no defense to speak of. The rest of the accusations just seem confusing at best, no one seems to sure of themselves. On another note, given my original role pm's my character should be able to evolve from this sleeping state, but I have no idea how, other than how all sleeping princess's change, which is by a prince, but I have no clue who or what may incite such an event. If anyone has any ideas, please, feel free to share them with me. *mumble, mumble*

[FloresDelMal]

*zzzz* given my original role pm's my character should be able to evolve from this sleeping state, but I have no idea how, other than how all sleeping princess's change, which is by a prince, but I have no clue who or what may incite such an event. If anyone has any ideas, please, feel free to share them with me. *mumble, mumble*

sorry to break the news to you, but your prince is dead.

[DRoZ]

*zzzz* Oh yeah, I had forgotten about spurg.... Oh well I guess I will be sleeping indefinitely...

[Sierra_Leon]

As promised. It took a while, but hopefully it will save everyone a lot of reading back and give future replacements something to hang on to. I hope I didn't miss anything. Feel free to add or correct anything if I did.


ALIVE:

1-william18(2.0)

2-jnd94
PR: Coughing day 2, foaming day 3 (due to an effect)

3-Fircoal
Part of the identity crisis day 3

4-nagerous
Claims Huntsman - Tracker/Hunter/Locked Role day 4
Claims to have followed ga7 to animorph's house night 3 (but didn't send in directional PM)
Claims to have followed LSU night 1, Selin night 2 (or other way around?) and both went nowhere

5-suika

6-ga7
Part of the identity crisis day 3
Claims to have a new role day 4 - Was previously Frau Trude (SK), now Iron Hans
Claims to have killed nobody night 1, pcmhugh night 2, undisclosed night 3 because that person survived

7-Iliad
Was dressed as a Cat during the ball
Claims to have gotten a new ability day 4
Claims he was told by mod that Minister Masket was now his mason partner, but that the mod made a mistake
Claims cop day 4
Claims to have investigated Fircoal night 3. Got Believer as a result.

8-LSU Tiger Josh
Fainted day 1 (unable to vote or post)
Received gift day 1. Got that Minister Masket had a list of game ideas to lead & play at the festivites
Was dressed as a Dog during the ball
Claims to have information about Selin (not scum, not cinderella or rumpelstiltskin)
Claims not to have gone anywhere during the night

9-Selin
PR: Coughing (day 3 and day 4, due to an effect) -> Cured day 4
Was dressed as a (the only) Rooster during the ball
Claims not to have gone anywhere during the night

10-walelia2
PR: only post in quotes (role-related)
PR: Coughing (day 2 only, due to an effect) -> Cured day 3
Claims to have found a Golden Frog at some time
Part of the identity crisis day 3
Claims to have a new role day 4

11-FloresDelMal
Claimed to be unlynchable day 3
Part of the identity crisis day 3
Claims to have a new role day 4 - was previously Cinderella (Watcher)
Claims to have watched Fircoal night 1, / night 2, ga7 night 3, all with nobody visiting them

12-/
Claimed unlynchable and unkillable as long as 'certain conditions' are met
Was dressed as the fisherman during the ball

13-dustn64
Part of the identity crisis day 3

14-DRoZ
Claimed role: Sleeping beauty.
Was dressed as Little Red Ridinghood during the ball
Blessed 11 people with gifts day 1, of which 4 were investigations.
PR: Sleeping/mumbling (role-related)

15-mandalorian2298
PR: Coughing (day 3 only, due to an effect) -> Cured day 4
Part of the identity crisis day 3
Was dressed as a Cat during the ball
Claims not to have been given a new role day 4
Soft-claimed busdriver day 4

16-Mountainlion
PR: Telling lies/exaggerating
Claims Tracker day 4
Claims to have followed Mandy to Fircoal and Selin night 3

17-mr. incrediball
Received gift day 1. Got that Skoffin is a believer.
Part of the identity crisis day 3
Claims to have a new role day 4 - was previously Frau Trude
Claims to have killed pcmhugh night 2

18-got tonkaed

19-Minister Masket
Received gift day 1. Got that / is a princess.
Received gift day 2. Got that pmchugh has a black feather. (WAS MADE UP)
Turned out to be unlynchable day 2.
Claims to have found out Fircoal has a bloody toe, ga7 (investigated with blessing) has a bowl of lentils, and kalish (investigated night 1) is a knight on night 2
Claims to have found out Skoffin had a golden frog on night 3
Was one of the musicians during the ball
Knows that Frau Trude and Little Red Ridinghood were amongst the identity crisis people
Claims to have received information from iliad that Selin and iliad are on opposite sides
Was dressed as a Cat during the ball

20-cena-rules
Received gift day 1. Got that / is a believer.
Claims to have found a Golden Plate on his travels on night 3
Was dressed as Little Red Ridinghood during the ball

21-Sierra_Leon

DEAD:

1-william18 - Ill Grandmother(Believer) - Alarmist/Locked Role - Lynched day 1
PR: Screaming (role-related)

2-lord voldemort - Wicked Step-Sister(Non-Believer) - Mafia Janitor/Locked Role - Killed night 1

3 - pmchugh - Count's Son(Believer) - Locked Role/Locked Role - Killed night 2 by Frau Trude (ga7/mr. incrediball)
PR: Barking day 1, tweeting day 2 (role-related)

4 - Anarkistsdream - Evil Enchantress(Non-Believer) - Dark Potions Witch/Rapunzel's Keeper - Lynched by private votes day 3
Received gift day 1. Got that cena is a believer
Was dressed as a Donkey during the ball

5 - spurgistan - King’s Son/Briar Rose’s Rescuer(Believer) - Explorer/Locked Role - Died night 3 because of poisoning
Fainted day 1 (unable to vote or post)
Received gift day 1. Didn't use it.
PR: coughing day 2, foaming day 3 (due to an effect)

6 - animorpherv1 - Hansel(Believer) - Mason/Fact Finder - Killed night 3
Part of the identity crisis day 3

7 - cmckinney - Prince/Rapunzel’s Rescuer(Believer) - Explorer/Locked Role - Killed night 3 by a Wolf
PR: Burping (day 1 only, due to an effect)
Received gift day 1 (not an investigation)

8 - skoffin - Tailor(Non-Believer/Cult) - Cult Recruiter - Killed night 3

[walelia2]

My post restriction ended after the ball when my role was switched, so I can now speak freely.

[mr. incrediball]

yep. i turned pmchugh into a log, and then burned him. and i'd do it again, if i was still scum

So everyone in this game has a different role now? Damn you Tal!

No, completely and utterly wrong, you dumpling.
Some people changed roles, others didn't - the latter including anyone who went as a Cat.

Let's be more specific. Only those who were dressed as Miller's daughter in the party were affected by Rumpel's curse.

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actually, i was dressed as myself.

[Sierra_Leon]

I've been thinking about all the identity crisis people claiming their former and current roles in order to figure out which of them is now scum, but there are some downsides. 1) We might be asking the miller's daugher to claim, if she was part of the mixup too. If rumpelstiltskin is still after her, that would not be a good idea. 2) Animorph was part of the identity crisis but he's dead now. It might not be possible to solve this logically without knowing if his role had changed too.

So, it might be better not to focus too much on figuring out who switched into what role exactly and look at what other leads we have. Here are some contradictions:

1)
mr. incrediball claims to have been Frau Trude
ga7 claims to have been Frau Trude

2)
Flores claims that nobody visited ga7 night 3
nagerous claims that he tracked ga7 to animorph night 3
ga7 claims to have tried killing someone night 3 but failed; it was not animorph

3)
Iliad claims that he investigated Ficoal night 3 and got that he was a believer
MountainLion claims to have tracked Mandy switching Fircoal and Selin
This means Iliad was actually investigating Selin and got that he was a believer
Minister Masket claims to have been told by Iliad that Iliad and Selin are on opposite sides
LSU and Selin claim Selin is a believer; Iliad claims he is a believer

Conclusions:
1) Either MIB or ga7 is lying about his previous role. I don't see how this is very important though, if they both have new roles now. Not worth lynching over today.
2) Either both ga7 and Flores are lying or nagerous is lying/got a wrong result from his track action. Again, since this is concerning ga7's role before the role switch, I don't think it's worth lynching over today.
3) Either Iliad is scum or Selin is scum. Selin was not only cleared by LSU, but even by Iliad himself. Thus, Iliad must be scum. Neither of them have been part of the role switch. Iliad should be the lynch for today.

Vote Iliad

[Iliad]

No I shouldn't
MM asked me if I investigated Fir and got town. I said yes. He asked me if that means Selin is lying(opposite side) I said in pretty much those exact words if he said fir is an unbeliever yes.

I did not know that fir was switched, and if he was then it's pretty obvious selin is also a cop and got fir as scum, while I thought I investigated fir but thanks to the busdrive I investigate selin. Not that difficult

[Sierra_Leon]

Selin never claimed to have investigated anyone. Nagerous even tracked him night 2 and confirmed Selin didn't go anywhere.

[Iliad]

I assumed he investigated Fir. Nonetheless, the busdrive changed the result and it very may be that fir was scum. Perhaps he is still now but.

[Minister Masket]

I assumed he investigated Fir. Nonetheless, the busdrive changed the result and it very may be that fir was scum. Perhaps he is still now but.

He did make a claim somewhere that he found out that Fircoal was a non-believer.
No idea what page that was on though.

[FloresDelMal]

17-mr. incrediball
Received gift day 1. Got that Skoffin is a believer.
Part of the identity crisis day 3
Claims to have a new role day 4 - was previously Frau Trude
Claims to have killed pcmhugh night 2

Why should we trust mr incrediball after him attempted to clear as townie the cult recruiter?? i beliave til day 3 him was a cultie and lied blatantly, so if we think everything him says is true, then we are at best naive, in fact i wonder how him managed to stay alive til now.

Vote Mib

Oh wait, something just came to my mind... what if him is a jester or a lyncher that took the chance to attract attention and spread confusion?

[Sierra_Leon]

Unvote. Iliad has me doubting again, and in doubt one should never try to lynch a claimed cop.

Flores post inspired me to some new thoughts:

What if a cultie got his role swapped? His role would swap, but he would probably stay cultified (and whoever receives his role will receive it without having been culted) or else he would surely expose the cult immediately. But then, this goes for mafia too! Mafia might not know all other mafia in the game, but I'd be really surprised if Cinderella's sisters didn't at least know eachother. People might have swapped ROLES, but gamebalance-wise it would not be possible for them to have swapped ALLIANCE. The only exception to this role would be the SK, since he is as clueless to the setup as any townie is.

The other way I can think of to balance this is to have all mafia keep their old role, or only swap town roles with town roles and mafia roles with mafia roles. Fircoal was obviously one of Cinderella's evil stepsisters before the swap. He might be someone else now, but I'm sure he should still be mafia.

Vote Fircoal

[DRoZ]

*zzzz* fircoal is looking worse and worse and as I said earlier he seems the most likely to be scum so... Vote Fircoal

[FloresDelMal]

im not sure about this theory about not changing faction, doesnt seem too credible to me, but what it is a fact beyond doubts is that fircoal is submarining, and if him had any decent deffense to put up, him should have done it yet, or at least him should do it soon enough, so til fircoal makes a convincing claim Vote Fircoal.

[MountainLion]

Selin never claimed to have investigated anyone. Nagerous even tracked him night 2 and confirmed Selin didn't go anywhere.

Selin was in a coma on night 1...I saw it with mine own eyes.


Where are you Fircoal? He's thinking up a plan for world domination that surprisingly includes universal health care.

Unvote, Vote Fircoal

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote Vote Fircoal

I think scum could change factions because if this is anything like Batman the scum groups would've only had 1 or two members or else acting like a sk with multiple scums. I don't see anything here that would tell me that it would be any different with all the different fairy tales mixed together.

Fircoal definitely seemed to fake his PR from what those suffering from it claimed and now has gone really quiet for him so I"ll also vote him.

[william18]

Vote Fircoal

I don't think Talapus would take the risk of switching alingments.

[ga7]

Looks like we're heading to a Fir lynch, now that the Illy thing is cleared up he does have nothing in his favour so pretty sure scum. Before day ends I'd just like to point out this wonder of a slipup:

actually, i was dressed as myself.

No one could dress as themselves. *grins*