London has worst crime rate in the world?!

[brooksieb]

Ok it does, however most of them are theft, but i have a more serious issue to talk about, there is a ever growing increase of knife and gun crime stemming rapidly across london and other cities in the UK. Because of the rapid increase there is a increase of reporting in foreign medias all across Europe and possibly outside of Europe? here is what some of the papers had to say? i forgot the names of the news papers however most of the medias closer to England tell the truth more better e.g. France as compared to the ignoracy of Russia here are some comments in foreign countries with my opinion.

A french media source: "Never go south of the thames"My response: "that's a pretty fair assumption, but i think they are saying that about what happened with the french students, so it is a bit of give and take."

A austrian media source: "London is on it's knees." My response: "you're on the ball, absolutely true and i could not agree more."

Another austrian Source: "you are almost guarenteed to see a punch up in london"My response: "I have not seen a first hand account of a punch up in England since 2004, but i have seen loads of sick paedophiles in Austria though."

A Russian source (probably a reader, i hope so): "Brits are very agressive. They use broken bottles or boots intended to rash one anothers skulls. It's in their' national character."
My Response: The most hypocritical so far, having been to moscow it is a mum on the game dad in the nick type places in most areas. So they should look at themeselves before they make absurd comments on other countries people.

A Spanish source from a reader: "London today is worse than the Bronx was in the 1970's."
My response: Pretty true, not much to say other than that."

A german source: "every 8 minutes a knive crime is commited and it is rising."
My response: Spot on by the germans not to show themselves up, probably the most down to earth report made out of all of them. Well done Germany for not trying to make lies or stretch the truth.

Any foreign news about this would you like to share it?.

[suggs]

Too much povery.
Too little education.
Too many parents in jail.
Too much crack.
No hope.

[brooksieb]

Too much povery.
Too little education.
Too many parents in jail.
Too much crack.
No hope.

Got any other comments suggs? about the sources for example.

[suggs]

Not really. They seem a bit vague.
I'm not really firing on all cylinders either!
Sorry Brooksieb.

[brooksieb]

Not really. They seem a bit vague.
I'm not really firing on all cylinders either!
Sorry Brooksieb.

Alright. In the morning whe we're not sleepy?

[tzor]

I do want to make a comment on the following:

A Spanish source from a reader: "London today is worse than the Bronx was in the 1970's."
My response: Pretty true, not much to say other than that."

(Like Spain has any idea about what the Bronx was like in the 1970's.)

In the 1970s, the Bronx was plagued by a wave of arson. The burning of buildings was mostly in the South Bronx, concentrated especially along Westchester Avenue and in West Farms. The most common explanation of what occurred was that landlords decided to burn their buildings and take the insurance money as profit.

Despite these efforts, and in part because of them, the Bronx began to burn in about 1970. Some of the fires were accidents, the inevitable result of decaying electrical systems. Many were set by landlords who would then collect the insurance money. Often they would sell the building--whether it was still inhabited or not--to "finishers" who would strip out the electrical wiring, plumbing fixtures, and anything else that could be sold for a profit before torching it. "Sometimes there'd be a note delivered telling you the place would burn that night," one man who lived through the period told me. "Sometimes not." People got used to sleeping with their shoes on, so that they could escape if the building began to burn.

Some of the remaining tenants burned their own buildings, thanks to yet another bad city policy. Welfare recipients living in decaying city-owned buildings naturally wanted to find a better alternative, but regulations forbade payment of moving expenses to anyone who had not lived in same place for at least two years. There was one exception to this rule, and it was posted in large type in neighborhood welfare offices. Any tenant burned out of his or her building automatically became eligible for a grant--usually about $1,000 but sometimes as much as $3,500--to cover the cost of new clothing, furniture, and moving. Also, burned-out families went to the top of the waiting list for public housing projects.

During the mid-'70s, the South Bronx averaged 12,000 fires a year. The area lost some 40 percent of its housing stock, and 300,000 people fled. In the burned-out zone that remained, police fought a losing battle against junkies and murderous teenage gangs. In 1977, Jimmy Carter paid a fleeting visit to the rubble-strewn Charlotte Street, promising to revitalize the area. The New York Times commented that the South Bronx was "as crucial to an understanding of American urban life as Auschwitz is crucial to an understanding of Nazism." But nothing came of Carter's high-sounding words. The city was in the throes of a fiscal crisis, and the feds were sick of watching their money fall into a burial ground of failed urban policies. By 1981 the Los Angeles Times could declare that the South Bronx was "both a place and a scare-word."

I'm not an expert on London's recent history, but I think it's been a while since there has been a large wave of arson in that city.

[brooksieb]

Even in the 70's, 80's and 90's there was a wave of bombings and quite a few riots so it is quite different atmoshphere.

[william18]

I think some of the ghetto's in Los Angelas are worse. If thats were the Crips orginated then you know it's pretty bad.

[KoE_Sirius]

When they say South of the Thames they are talking about places like Clapham.Its safe there in day light hours.At night Its best not to walk around alone.Lots of Junkies and Hoodies carrying knifes.
They got a great night club there called Southside...Its £20 to get in and all the drinks and food are free(http://www.aftertheclub.co.uk/nightclub-festivals-holiday-destination-results.asp?ID=0&VI=1239&VM=0&WK=1)
When you step outside about 2am the street is full of Cabs most are not licensed.So try and call a cab before you go..Don't eat a Kebab from the shop on the left...I was really ill the next day.
I wouldn't advise walking any further then from the club door to a cab.
Yes the joys of London.I don't live there anymore.

[Ruben Cassar]

You know the word "medias" does not exist. Media is already the plural of medium.

I also think London is a pretty dangerous place, especially at night. What I would like to know is which parts of London are really dangerous at night or is the whole of London unsafe during those hours?

[william18]

When they say South of the Thames they are talking about places like Clapham.Its safe there in day light hours.At night Its best not to walk around alone.Lots of Junkies and Hoodies carrying knifes.

Thats why go go walking down the street with a 12-gauge in your hand. Walk nice a calmly and those hoodies will move outta the why for you

[sam_levi_11]

Too much povery.
Too little education.
Too many parents in jail.
Too much crack.
No hope.

wats wrong wiv crack

[Nobunaga]

Too much povery.
Too little education.
Too many parents in jail.
Too much crack.
No hope.

... You guys want Obama?

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[joecoolfrog]

You know the word "medias" does not exist. Media is already the plural of medium.

I also think London is a pretty dangerous place, especially at night. What I would like to know is which parts of London are really dangerous at night or is the whole of London unsafe during those hours?

London can be dangerous but it rarely impacts on tourists, you would have to be very unlucky or very stupid to get caught up in a violent episode. To think it comes even close to major cities like Rio or Joburg is absurd and nobody should think it a good reason to avoid one of the great Capitals of the World. If anybody wants specific info on avoiding trouble spots please PM me and I would be glad to advise .

[Nobunaga]

You know the word "medias" does not exist. Media is already the plural of medium.

I also think London is a pretty dangerous place, especially at night. What I would like to know is which parts of London are really dangerous at night or is the whole of London unsafe during those hours?

London can be dangerous but it rarely impacts on tourists, you would have to be very unlucky or very stupid to get caught up in a violent episode. To think it comes even close to major cities like Rio or Joburg is absurd and nobody should think it a good reason to avoid one of the great Capitals of the World. If anybody wants specific info on avoiding trouble spots please PM me and I would be glad to advise .

... It sound like Boston, Philly or New York in that regard.

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[joecoolfrog]

You know the word "medias" does not exist. Media is already the plural of medium.

I also think London is a pretty dangerous place, especially at night. What I would like to know is which parts of London are really dangerous at night or is the whole of London unsafe during those hours?

London can be dangerous but it rarely impacts on tourists, you would have to be very unlucky or very stupid to get caught up in a violent episode. To think it comes even close to major cities like Rio or Joburg is absurd and nobody should think it a good reason to avoid one of the great Capitals of the World. If anybody wants specific info on avoiding trouble spots please PM me and I would be glad to advise .

... It sound like Boston, Philly or New York in that regard.

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Or indeed hundreds of other towns and cities worldwide, do you really think most third world countries even bother with crime statistics

[Pedronicus]

I put most of this situation down to single families. There are too many poor people who are now caught in the rut that they can't afford a house, but have a baby & you move to the front of the council house queue.
Then the whole stupid system continues to give more benefits if these single mums have more babies.

A child needs the guidance from both sexes of parents as they grow up. Too many young boys no longer get to spend enough time with their father and the resulting mess is now on our streets.

[bbqpenguin]

unless i'm mistaken, i believe london has pretty strict gun control laws. interesting how this hasn't decreased the amount of gun crime. they should make gun possession legal again and let people protect themselves. in washington d.c., i strict gun ban was just lifted by the supreme court (d.c. also has a fairly high crime rate) o i'm very interested in seeing the next few months and years what affect, if any, the left on the gun bans will have

[joecoolfrog]

unless i'm mistaken, i believe london has pretty strict gun control laws. interesting how this hasn't decreased the amount of gun crime. they should make gun possession legal again and let people protect themselves. in washington d.c., i strict gun ban was just lifted by the supreme court (d.c. also has a fairly high crime rate) o i'm very interested in seeing the next few months and years what affect, if any, the left on the gun bans will have

Would you like to compare Londons gun crime with that of major American cities ?

[Pedronicus]

they should make gun possession legal again and let people protect themselves.

Gun possession has never been legal in Engalnd.
The recent deaths in London have been caused by knives not guns.
The vast majority of deaths have been teenagers killed by teenagers. They all arm themselves with knives for protection and the murder rate goes up.
More lethal weapons on the street = more deaths.

We don't need to add guns for supposed safety, it would only make things worse.

[Neutrino]

A child needs the guidance from both sexes of parents as they grow up. Too many young boys no longer get to spend enough time with their father and the resulting mess is now on our streets.

I think you're mistaking "children need love and attention that single parents are generally unable to provide due to time constraints" with "children need love and attention from one (And Precisely One) parent of each sex for no adequately explained reason and if they don't get this they will grow up to eat babies" as the cause for the problems of a lot of single-parent children.

Needless to say, one of these is absolute crap, while the other is the true cause. I'll give you three guesses.

[DAZMCFC]

ah London, our Capital. full of Cockney sparrows and gangs of East European pick pockets.


as Brooksie said knife crime is a problem throughout Britain(not just London), but i'd rather visit London than Rio or Mexico City. them places are as rough as Dog's Arse.

[Napoleon Ier]

Has anyone has seen Outlaw featuring Sean Bean? I reckon that's a pretty good solution. Along with turning Peckham into a Safari park for upper class gentlemen.

[Neoteny]

Has anyone has seen Outlaw featuring Sean Bean? I reckon that's a pretty good solution. Along with turning Peckham into a Safari park for upper class gentlemen.

You're not dead?!!?! Huzzah!

[InkL0sed]

Has anyone has seen Outlaw featuring Sean Bean? I reckon that's a pretty good solution. Along with turning Peckham into a Safari park for upper class gentlemen.

You're not dead?!!?! Huzzah!

Oh yes. You found out late because you don't go to NOTA.

Napoleon, long time no speak.

Indeed...indeed, during the climactic finale of the gcse period, the following week spent in ethylic quasi-coma, and week thereafter spent in a one-room basement-cum-apartment in a grotestque district of London for work experience (you especially, Norse, must sympathize), I rather neglected the backwaters of the Internet Ocean that are these forums.

You see, the forum has its uses!