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I like your way of thinking.Juan_Bottom wrote:Now my problem is people like Borg running amuck. And I will meet them, everytime. And though I was quite condesending with him/her, I still gave 'em a chance to correct his/her errors. Should I shout them down? I have always been of the opinion that the only way to change a body's mind is through earnest conversation.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
Which in turn begs the question: How much is predetermined? What behaviors are we born with?Snorri1234 wrote:But the question is: How much freedom do we have then? Can we decide what things we like? Can we decide what influences us? Can we decide who we love? Can we decide what we actually believe?Jenos Ridan wrote:I see that I have gotten the responce that was to be expected.Frigidus wrote: Despite that, even assuming free will exists, that only means we are free to make choices, not that things are so radically free that our personalities are virtually chosen.
Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.Jenos Ridan wrote:Which in turn begs the question: How much is predetermined? What behaviors are we born with?Snorri1234 wrote:But the question is: How much freedom do we have then? Can we decide what things we like? Can we decide what influences us? Can we decide who we love? Can we decide what we actually believe?Jenos Ridan wrote:I see that I have gotten the responce that was to be expected.Frigidus wrote: Despite that, even assuming free will exists, that only means we are free to make choices, not that things are so radically free that our personalities are virtually chosen.
At what point is Free Will not really free but a matter of probability and consequences for both random chance and the choices one makes? When does it just the same as "reading from a script".
Good point.PLAYER57832 wrote: Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.
Yes, you left out god and talked about free will in a somewhat different context.Jenos Ridan wrote:Good point.PLAYER57832 wrote: Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.
I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
In most senses, everything we do IS biology. But, we have the choice of how we respond.MeDeFe wrote:Yes, you left out god and talked about free will in a somewhat different context.Jenos Ridan wrote:Good point.PLAYER57832 wrote: Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.
I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.