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I heard back from a couple of the other players who suspected the same thing...if it wasnt so obvious here i wouldnt be wasting your time...thank you...Tom
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he put a pos feedback for me saying it was bro...read my reply...below...
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I can't beleive I fell for it with such ease. I even suggested another game as they were 'both' on line at the same time, grrrrrr! It's such an obvious cheat.
I'm new here, I doubt I'll pay to play if this is the sort of thing that goes on?
PrettyBoy wrote:I can't beleive I fell for it with such ease. I even suggested another game as they were 'both' on line at the same time, grrrrrr! It's such an obvious cheat.
I'm new here, I doubt I'll pay to play if this is the sort of thing that goes on?
Hang around a bit! They work very hard to eradicate idiots such as this...
i got a pos feedback saying it was his brother that did it....plausible....but how do we know for sure....really was so obvious and out of the blue...i kind of believe it........can he appologize to everyone....he knows who they are...they left neg feedback for him......now this may be illegal...but can they enter into games and throw them to the people they cheated....its obvious which ones......if this cant be done..i understand....i can already see the feedback on this from the moderators...but...just saying my bro did it doesnt seem enough....it was so flagrant.....appreciate advice....i feel bad if he himself didnt do it...but he obviously wasnt clear enough with bro, who was smart enough to win every one....so no amnesty for him "not knowing"....dont know what to do...want to be fair....thats the whole point...so annoying
PrettyBoy wrote:I can't beleive I fell for it with such ease. I even suggested another game as they were 'both' on line at the same time, grrrrrr! It's such an obvious cheat.
I'm new here, I doubt I'll pay to play if this is the sort of thing that goes on?
LOL!!! im sorry, but that didnt strike any one else as F*cking Histerical?
PrettyBoy wrote:I can't beleive I fell for it with such ease. I even suggested another game as they were 'both' on line at the same time, grrrrrr! It's such an obvious cheat.
I'm new here, I doubt I'll pay to play if this is the sort of thing that goes on?
LOL!!! im sorry, but that didnt strike any one else as F*cking Histerical?
heehee, yes, I did find it amusing as well! I am, a tit.
Game number: 104487, 104518, 104521, 107388, 121085, 121106
Comments: I've never posted in here before but I think that MatthewYung and Petersi are Multis. I'm not completely sure but I wanted them checked out, just in case. Something about the way that they play struck me funny, so I did a little research. I saw that they are both from Hong Kong (no big deal, but suspect, nontheless) and the negative feedback from Matthew Yung looked suspicous. Furthermore, I noticed that Uzeb whatever, Matthew's "little brother" hasn't played a game (maybe he was banned) since Petersi started playing with MatthewYung. Petersi also never played a game with MatthewYung before Uzeb was pinned as his Multi and he joined right about the same time that Uzeb was busted.
Update: They formed an alliance during the 3rd and forth round (do I sound surprised?)
Update: I also found that in every game they have played together, one of them takes out the other one to get the cards.
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Matthew was busted for being an obvious multi with his brother...and i wouldnt add to this but in his feedback he suggests i called him on this because i had bad dice.....seriously....it was more the 9 games in a row he won while umikaro wasted every other player....
the mods will review this very carefully im sure, because this would be the second time...im amazed he would join so many games with one other person in three player...
I havent looked at the individual games, so i dont know if they were cheating, but i do know hes done it before, and i do know he tried to deny it...confessed to me, but denies it in his feedback...
Absolutely a perfect example of a multi the first time, and im open enough to say they could be friends and not cheating, but...clearly worthy of an investigation...
you at the very least can leave feedback to suggest you thought you saw cheating...if you did...
Matt this better be a good explanation i imagine, or youre gonna have to settup a multi with a new name
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I'm Spanking Monkey now....err...I mean I'm a Spanking Monkey now...that shoots milk Too much. I know.
Yeah, I screwed myself on that one I guess. They don't really act like Multis, as far as game play is concerned. But, since Matt has been busted before, I'm sure he would be a lot more careful in the way he plays with his second multi, since he knows that this is his last chance. There are a few little details that looked suspicious. One thing is that Peter never played with Matt, in fact never played at all, untill after Uzeb was booted for being his Multi. Then in all the games that Peter and Matt played together, one takes the other one out to get his cards. Even if they are two different people (which I doubt) isn't there a rule against two people making a three man game to intentionally team up against the third person?
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Also, can the moderators look at IP addresses to see if it is one person?
secret alliances are prohibited...if you are right, he'll be booted also, civpro, you should copy and paste the links to the game pages into the form for the moderators and everyone else...its hard to look up the games otherwise
either matt or peter won every game they were in...they alternated, but come on this borders on insulting...
I'm Spanking Monkey now....err...I mean I'm a Spanking Monkey now...that shoots milk Too much. I know.
Yeah, but I'm not sure if it would be considered a secret alliance, since they announced it at the beginning. Maybe, if you consider the other games they've played in together. Anyway, here are the links with mine at the top.
UPDATE:
They (he) even put on a little show for me in game 121106. MatthewYung blatently broke his truce with Petersi and Petersi was so angry that he said he was going to report him. Well, the next turn MatthewYung took us both out. Here comes the part that doesn't make any sense: Almost immediately after our game ended (keep in mind that Petersi didn't move to defend himself against Matthew in our game) Petersi joins another private game with MatthewYung. Now why would anyone immediately join another game with someone that just broke and treaty with them and that they were going to report. The new game is 119097.
UPDATE: I found something intersesting in game 104501:
2006-11-13 00:37:21 - petersi attacked Pennsylvania from Ohio and conquered it from bornslippy
2006-11-13 00:37:31 - petersi attacked New Jersey from Pennsylvania and conquered it from bornslippy
2006-11-13 00:37:38 - MatthewYung receives 3 armies for 11 territories
2006-11-13 00:37:43 - MatthewYung deployed 3 armies on Kansas
2006-11-13 00:37:44 - petersi attacked New York from Pennsylvania and conquered it from bornslippy
2006-11-13 00:37:53 - petersi attacked New England from New York and conquered it from bornslippy
2006-11-13 00:38:23 - petersi fortified N. Dakota with 1 armies from New York
2006-11-13 00:39:05 - petersi fortified Missouri with 1 armies from New York
2006-11-13 00:39:19 - petersi fortified S. Dakota with 1 armies from New York
2006-11-13 00:39:35 - petersi fortified Kentucky with 1 armies from New York
2006-11-13 00:39:46 - petersi fortified Virginia with 1 armies from New York
2006-11-13 00:40:00 - petersi fortified Nebraska with 1 armies from New York
2006-11-13 00:40:05 - petersi gets a card
2006-11-13 01:37:38 - MatthewYung ran out of time
2006-11-13 03:22:43 - bornslippy receives 3 armies for 6 territories
NOTICE that Petersi made an attack at 37:31 and then stopped, then Matthew made a move 6 seconds later. Then Matt stops at 37:43 and Petersi picks up a second later. The MatthewYung doesn't move again and forgets to switch over to his other account that he has minimized and runs out of time. Then MatthewYung missed his turn in the next round and Petersi takes him out for the cards.
awesome research civpro...love to see it...if i were you id email the link to this page to every game with other players to get theyre input to see if they were cheated...either pm them or put it in the game chat so they can see for themselves...very effective
im sure you can get 3 or 4 neg fdbcks added to each if you try if they were cheating...it is still possible they werent, but itll be nice to see what the other players saw
I'm Spanking Monkey now....err...I mean I'm a Spanking Monkey now...that shoots milk Too much. I know.
Good idea, AAFitz, I'll have to do that when I have some more time. MatthewYung and Petersi seem to move and chat the same way as Uzeb and Matthewyung. Owllawyer, yeah I'm a 1L at the University of Alabama. I'm actually about to go spend the rest of the day studying torts and maybe a little crim law.
shouldent be a cheat in games 
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