More fodder for you liberals.....

[Pacifist]

There's nothing wrong with being left wing...

I mean, left wing American parties are right wing anywhere else

(As for the Republicans...)

Maybe we shouldn't all be quite so selfish.

[KoolBak]

Damn Twill a saurus rex! You put a lot of effort into that, just for me! I am honored my friend! LOL!! See, gun toting rednecks and tree huggers CAN get along! ;o)

[Twill]

<hugs the hunter>

Yup, love you mate...and I can say that without being afraid of someone labeling me...or shooting me in the face "by accident"

and I only spent about 5 minutes on it so dont be too flattered :-p

[happysadfun]

So he DID mean communism! Please give me an example of socialistic-central-goverment-yet-not-quite-communistic country, because i don't know which counties you mean.

Cuba. Basically just Cuba.

[kclborat]

well done twill. thank you. Oh and I believe about #17 that sexuality and gender choices should not be juxtaposed with religion.

[heavycola]

You didn't put in the:

11. Countries thet don't know how to throw nuclear bomb on a populated city(or cities), have no right to have nukes

Koolbak forgot:


When you believe that you can sell nuclear techknowledgy to crazy dictators and somehow don't think he won't use that information to obtain nukes.

jay please tell me techknowledgy wasn't a spelling error. Priceless.

[Backglass]

jay please tell me techknowledgy wasn't a spelling error. Priceless.

It wasnt a mistake...thats how "Dubya" says it!

It's all part of his strategery.

[DogDoc]

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but
PETA activists do (CLASSIC).

Hey, whatcha got against PETA?? I'm in PETA - "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals"!!!

[Backglass]

Hey, whatcha got against PETA?? I'm in PETA - "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals"!!!

Yup...thats how I know I am not a liberal now.

Steak! Yum.......

[KoolBak]

LMAO!! Says the vet....another instant classic...

"Sorry ma'am, your sweet, uh, tasty, kittie didnt make it......"

The other white meat........

[DogDoc]

LMAO!! Says the vet....another instant classic...

"Sorry ma'am, your sweet, uh, tasty, kittie didnt make it......"

The other white meat........

lol! I used to have a friend who did all large animal medicine - I used to kid him that he had the luxury of sending his mistakes to McDonald's . . .

Reminds me of the classic Far Side cartoon where the doctors are in surgery, a cow's on the operating table and the caption reads, "Well, we've done all we can do for her, but if she doesn't make it, I've got dibs on the ribs."

[cowshrptrn]

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but
PETA activists do (CLASSIC).

PETA isn't pro-nature, thjey're pro acknowledging that animals feel pain and that its unethical to kill them and keep them in cramped living conditions in disease ridden pens when we no longer need to rely on them for food (soy, nuts, beans, all contain protein, so there goes that argument out the window)

unfortunately most ppl have become so accustomed to the fact that they can eat beef, pork, chicken that they don't realise how they feel jsut as much pain as a cat or a dog, you wouldn't hand a dog upside down by its ankles and slit its throat so you could eat it.

[ksslemp]

I'm a Vegetarian! but not a real strict one, i eat Steak and Chicken! oh, and sometimes Pork!

[cowshrptrn]

I'm a Vegetarian! but not a real strict one, i eat Steak and Chicken! oh, and sometimes Pork!

So you're not a vegetarian, you're jsut a regular person who eats meat less often than usual.

[ksslemp]

Oh! i forgot, and sometimes Jugglers!

Which Emoticon has a tongue in their cheek!

[vtmarik]

PETA isn't pro-nature, thjey're pro acknowledging that animals feel pain and that its unethical to kill them and keep them in cramped living conditions in disease ridden pens when we no longer need to rely on them for food (soy, nuts, beans, all contain protein, so there goes that argument out the window)

unfortunately most ppl have become so accustomed to the fact that they can eat beef, pork, chicken that they don't realise how they feel jsut as much pain as a cat or a dog, you wouldn't hand a dog upside down by its ankles and slit its throat so you could eat it.

They're also pro-ecoterrorism and pro-killing dogs. PETA is a group of attention seekers who want everyone to do it their way.

If we were meant to eat only plants, our appendices would still be used to digest fiber. Meat is a part of our diet, it's evolution baby. That's why we have incisors, sharp teeth designed for tearing and chewing meat. And don't people say that cow flatulence adds toward global warming? I say let's eat the cows and save the planet!

And don't forget, plants are living things too. Everytime you eat a salad you are eating plants that are actually still alive. Science hasn't proven that plants don't feel pain. You'd have to eat only rotten foods if you want to live "death-free."

Stick with your boca burgers and soy cheeze, I'll take the real thing any day.

[cowshrptrn]

Honestly, i'm not advocating some of PETAs policies, but my sister's a vegan, so i knwo a bit about this. The issue isn't that is alive, the issue is that it feels pain.

Also, we developed incisors because the easiest way for us to get protein back then was through meats, since we can get our protein just as easily from other sources we dont' need them, they are essentially vestigial for vegans.

Also, If we do go exclusively vegetables for protein we would need much fewer crops and be able to preserve a larger amount of wilderness since for every calorie of cattle we eat, a lot more calories of plant matter is consumed, so if we stop breeding cattle, we have fewer of them, and can phase them out, and leave meat eating to places where they ahve no other options, ie draught destroys their crops of some other reason. For the US at least, we could convert to vegetable proteins and be perfectly healthy.

This is probably a moot point to argue on, since eating meat is soo socially accepted and part of our culture and people woudl have a VERY hard time not eating it. I myself, while knowing all the benefits of the country going vegan, still have a hard time giving up meat (and thats while living with vegetarian parents).

[ksslemp]

Honestly, i'm not advocating some of PETAs policies, but my sister's a vegan, so i knwo a bit about this. The issue isn't that is alive, the issue is that it feels pain.

Also, we developed incisors because the easiest way for us to get protein back then was through meats, since we can get our protein just as easily from other sources we dont' need them, they are essentially vestigial for vegans.

Also, If we do go exclusively vegetables for protein we would need much fewer crops and be able to preserve a larger amount of wilderness since for every calorie of cattle we eat, a lot more calories of plant matter is consumed, so if we stop breeding cattle, we have fewer of them, and can phase them out, and leave meat eating to places where they ahve no other options, ie draught destroys their crops of some other reason. For the US at least, we could convert to vegetable proteins and be perfectly healthy.

This is probably a moot point to argue on, since eating meat is soo socially accepted and part of our culture and people woudl have a VERY hard time not eating it. I myself, while knowing all the benefits of the country going vegan, still have a hard time giving up meat (and thats while living with vegetarian parents).

We didnt "Develop" incisors TO eat meat, we eat meat BECAUSE we have incisors that make it easier to do so, and its Yummy!

[cowshrptrn]

We didnt "Develop" incisors TO eat meat, we eat meat BECAUSE we have incisors that make it easier to do so, and its Yummy!

I see, you cleraly aren't fond of a little theory called evolution. Animals which had teeth resembling incisors could tear more meat off of bone, and get more protein and nourishment, and eventually they developed into incisors through hundreds of generations.

we CLEARLY have incisors becasue we eat meat. Unless you want to get into a whole OTHER ideological argument. Strange how all threads seem to lead up to a god-debate.

[KoolBak]

I wasnt going to post about any of this list that was placed as ENTERTAINMENT, but how bout them PETA pro-lifers that let all the dogs out of their cages at a dog show and a bunch ran out on the hiway and got squarshed? I know it wasnt in their plan but nevertheless it happened. Radicals of any kind piss me off

OK..I'm done.....I wish Twill hadnt left on his vegan-backpack-fest....I love mincing words with that tree-hugger brother of mine! LOL!!

*whips out the cahinsaw and screams RUN FOREST RUN!!!!!!*

[areon]

Also, If we do go exclusively vegetables for protein we would need much fewer crops and be able to preserve a larger amount of wilderness since for every calorie of cattle we eat, a lot more calories of plant matter is consumed, so if we stop breeding cattle, we have fewer of them, and can phase them out, and leave meat eating to places where they ahve no other options, ie draught destroys their crops of some other reason. For the US at least, we could convert to vegetable proteins and be perfectly healthy.

This is probably a moot point to argue on, since eating meat is soo socially accepted and part of our culture and people woudl have a VERY hard time not eating it. I myself, while knowing all the benefits of the country going vegan, still have a hard time giving up meat (and thats while living with vegetarian parents).

Not to mention a lot of vested interests wouldn't want this information to get out. What no one knows about trophic levels? Or lactic acid?

[Backglass]

how bout them PETA pro-lifers that let all the dogs out of their cages at a dog show and a bunch ran out on the hiway and got squarshed? I know it wasnt in their plan but nevertheless it happened.

I didnt hear about this. Have a news source, or is this "from a friend of a friend who knew somebody"?

[reverend_kyle]

Liberal as I know the word means, among other things, promoting personal freedoms, also free trade, protecting the individuals privacy from both the state and business, encouraging free speech and so forth.
I think you get the picture.

Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?

Thats alot more liberal than libertarian...

IMO, liberal is alot more pro social freedoms but want restrictions on business to help stop them from abusing peoples social freedoms. Free trade is actually more of a republican thing because they believe that buisnesses should be able to do whatever the f*ck they want because they believe they'll give it back.(Which they wont.) Not to mention the several other fucked up things about free trade.

[jay_a2j]

Liberal as I know the word means, among other things, promoting personal freedoms, also free trade, protecting the individuals privacy from both the state and business, encouraging free speech and so forth.
I think you get the picture.

Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?

Thats alot more liberal than libertarian...

IMO, liberal is alot more pro social freedoms but want restrictions on business to help stop them from abusing peoples social freedoms. Free trade is actually more of a republican thing because they believe that buisnesses should be able to do whatever the f*ck they want because they believe they'll give it back.(Which they wont.) Not to mention the several other fucked up things about free trade.

social "freedoms" like:

pot smoking

gay marriage

abortion on demand



yet they want to restrict the social freedoms of:

smoking (cigarrettes)

wearing fur

driving SUV's

[reverend_kyle]

Liberal as I know the word means, among other things, promoting personal freedoms, also free trade, protecting the individuals privacy from both the state and business, encouraging free speech and so forth.
I think you get the picture.

Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?

Thats alot more liberal than libertarian...

IMO, liberal is alot more pro social freedoms but want restrictions on business to help stop them from abusing peoples social freedoms. Free trade is actually more of a republican thing because they believe that buisnesses should be able to do whatever the f*ck they want because they believe they'll give it back.(Which they wont.) Not to mention the several other fucked up things about free trade.

social "freedoms" like:

pot smoking

gay marriage

abortion on demand



yet they want to restrict the social freedoms of:

smoking (cigarrettes)

wearing fur

driving SUV's

Very few liberals I know are actually against wearing fur... In fact, isn't hollywood just a bunch of pinko liberal commies?


Also, I haven't met a single liberal who is against the smoking of cigarettes, I have met quite a few however who are against the smoking of cigarettes in public and I'll tell you why. That is the point of where your social liberty is intefering with mine. Second hand smoke is very dangerous for the person inhaling it(actually more dangerous than pot second hand smoke), IMO thats about the point where you're liberties end.. and thats where another person's starts.

I've never seen a law introduced to make driving SUV's illegal, so if you can find a point where a liberal introduced into congress to illegalize suvs you can say that they are trying to impede on that social liberty, but as far as I know its never happened. Most liberals however are against SUV driving because it is impractical and a waste of natural resources, but you still have the right to do it.


In fact, there are laws against all 3 social freedoms you've listed that liberals are for, but there are only laws against 1 of the ones you've listed that they are against.. and that had good reason.. I really dont see how thats impeding on liberties..


Then again, I havent been known for my logic.