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Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
dittoNeoteny wrote:I'll take a bullet for Dennis Kucinich.
the things you will do to be included in the last willdanodukebb wrote:dittoNeoteny wrote:I'll take a bullet for Dennis Kucinich.
but I'd take a bullet for Barack too..my HARDCORE CONSERVATIVE grandmother is coming into town this weekend and i'm greeting her with my Barack Obama shirt, pin and bumper stickers lol
shes going to flip shit
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
By running for President, he has established as much.strike wolf wrote:Well regardless of whether or not I would take a bullet for him. My question is, would he take a bullet for me?
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We'll see if your still saying that after the first year of his administration. He's a master orator, and an impressive showman. Weak minds are apt to be overcome by such trickery. Foolish jedi, your power will not work on ME!pimpdave wrote:There has not been a candidate for President in my lifetime I would ever say or think that about, until Mr. Obama.
We need his leadership. We need his judgment. We need his administration.

gdeangel wrote:We'll see if your still saying that after the first year of his administration. He's a master orator, and an impressive showman. Weak minds are apt to be overcome by such trickery. Foolish jedi, your power will not work on ME!pimpdave wrote:There has not been a candidate for President in my lifetime I would ever say or think that about, until Mr. Obama.
We need his leadership. We need his judgment. We need his administration.
Lest you think I'm all for McCain, see my post in the "McCain VP" thread first.
Here's what I think of the choices we've got this election: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTrIeqMtEOg
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
So I take it since 'dubbya has many of those same characteristics, as well as Hitler, Mussolini, and Pol Pot, you do no believe that their rise to power reflected a failure of civil society to correctly discern their worth as leaders? Don't insult me just because you are an O'bamma-wanna... for most of human history our "leaders" were determined by their ability to kick somebody's ass. That doesn't mean that's how it should work.pimpdave wrote:Read a book once in awhile. Study some history, some philosophy, and perhaps grasp what is necessary vs. sufficient for a great leader.
Failing that go take a long walk off a short pier.
ohhh i've been out ever since she found out I was a registered democrat...apey wrote:the things you will do to be included in the last willdanodukebb wrote:dittoNeoteny wrote:I'll take a bullet for Dennis Kucinich.
but I'd take a bullet for Barack too..my HARDCORE CONSERVATIVE grandmother is coming into town this weekend and i'm greeting her with my Barack Obama shirt, pin and bumper stickers lol
shes going to flip shit

gdeangel wrote:So I take it since 'dubbya has many of those same characteristics, as well as Hitler, Mussolini, and Pol Pot, you do no believe that their rise to power reflected a failure of civil society to correctly discern their worth as leaders? Don't insult me just because you are an O'bamma-wanna... for most of human history our "leaders" were determined by their ability to kick somebody's ass. That doesn't mean that's how it should work.pimpdave wrote:Read a book once in awhile. Study some history, some philosophy, and perhaps grasp what is necessary vs. sufficient for a great leader.
Failing that go take a long walk off a short pier.
Abraham Lincoln, a great leader not entirely devoid of pragmatic ambition as "some history" might suggest, as been attributed with saying "You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." My raging against the over-abundance of the former in modern primaries/elections is obviously lost one of whom the latter refers to.![]()
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
That was me, in a different thread. Glad to see someone appreciated that postpimpdave wrote: As said earlier, your opinions are invalid, writing "O'Bama" as you do.
I know it's tough for you, but read it again real SLOW and maybe it will make sense. Clearly you are an O-Bamma-Wanna all the way (like that spelling betterpimpdave wrote:gdeangel wrote:So I take it since 'dubbya has many of those same characteristics, as well as Hitler, Mussolini, and Pol Pot, you do no believe that their rise to power reflected a failure of civil society to correctly discern their worth as leaders? Don't insult me just because you are an O'bamma-wanna... for most of human history our "leaders" were determined by their ability to kick somebody's ass. That doesn't mean that's how it should work.pimpdave wrote:Read a book once in awhile. Study some history, some philosophy, and perhaps grasp what is necessary vs. sufficient for a great leader.
Failing that go take a long walk off a short pier.
Abraham Lincoln, a great leader not entirely devoid of pragmatic ambition as "some history" might suggest, as been attributed with saying "You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." My raging against the over-abundance of the former in modern primaries/elections is obviously lost one of whom the latter refers to.![]()
You don't even make any sense... Maybe you did take that long walk already, cause you're way off topic with this post.
As said earlier, your opinions are invalid, writing "O'Bama" as you do.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
That actually says a lot more than you probably think it does......strike wolf wrote:After careful consideration, I would not die for Obama, but I would take the bullet if it was not going to kill me.

Like what?Iz Man wrote:That actually says a lot more than you probably think it does......strike wolf wrote:After careful consideration, I would not die for Obama, but I would take the bullet if it was not going to kill me.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
No actually, it doesn't make sense. You have no concept of reason, do you? You go comparing apples to oranges, making a classic error in logic. To compare someone vying for the office of the President of the USA (an ELECTED position) to that of dictators is, um, way off.gdeangel wrote:I know it's tough for you, but read it again real SLOW and maybe it will make sense. Clearly you are an O-Bamma-Wanna all the way (like that spelling betterpimpdave wrote:
You don't even make any sense... Maybe you did take that long walk already, cause you're way off topic with this post.
As said earlier, your opinions are invalid, writing "O'Bama" as you do.) Or is it just that liberal fascists like you get a hard on telling the rest of us how "invalid" views contrary to their own are...
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Obamas economic policy you take issue with. You have used a fair amount of rhetoric, with the frequent use of redistributionist, which is more of an ideological than practical term, nearly all social systems distribute wealth and all of them but the freeiest of market systems redistribute. So if youd explain what you dont like specifically instead of using a term that is rather blanket statement oriented in nature id be interested in the specifics.gdeangel wrote:Necessary to lead: able to get people to follow.
Sufficient to lead: ability to keep people following you.
Undefined quantity: characteristics of the underlying population / social traits and values that create a propensity to follow (including, historically - and to some extent today - ability to kick ass of anyone who threatens to hurt your followers).
Both Hitler and Mussolini were initially elected by "democracies". Both were eloquent with their words. You may not know it Mr. History book, but Mussolini started out as a socialist reformer in a padrone society consumed by major social and economic breakdowns resulting from long-term income inequality and lack of opportunity for the masses. That enabled Mussolini to get the people behind him. I shouldn't need to tell you how he was able to keep that power. See above quote by Mr. Lincoln, and go read a book yourself you "oh-bamma-wanna" fascist. Your boy will probably win. But don't fool yourself. The man would tell you he is going to solve the deficit by shitting gold bricks if you would believe it.