"Native Americans"

[pimpdave]

Would the sheep understand me better if I asked them out on dates in Welsh?

Time to call Berlitz!

[jonesthecurl]

Would the sheep understand me better if I asked them out on dates in Welsh?

Time to call Berlitz!

not with that accent.

[Jenos Ridan]

I like to call 'em redskinned savages, but that's just the 15th century European in me.


Seriously, though. Forget all this politically correct bullshit. Call them Indians, if you'd like. If you're afraid of confusing people with the red ones and the yellow ones then call them native american or whatever.

Jones, the term "redskin" came about because, to 15th and 16th century europeans, they had a reddish-brown skin tone (telling you the obvious, I know. Sorry). And forget the PCBS, tell the PCP to shut their trap.

[PLAYER57832]

I may be wrong, but as I understood it, most (or at least many) tribal names are names given to the tribe by either european settlers or other tribes - each tribe's name for itslef (as in most of the world) being simply "Us" or "People" or something similar, in their own language. I'm not sure if that's the case with the Apache. If so (ie if the APache have another name for themself), what is it? ANd would one Apache use it when speaking to another?

Well, even more convoluted is the fact that there were many types of Apache. I am Lipan Apache, but there are other variations.

Lipan is what we would call ourselves, but we were of a greater denomination that is Apache- due to where the tribe settled.

Lipan is also the variant of the language that would be spoken- I don't know any, so don't ask.

And in some cases, those "same tribes" have historically "got along" about as well as the Scots and English did in the pre-Stewart days.

[Elijah S]

I think the politically correct label is now "Wealthy Casino Owners"...

[jonesthecurl]

I may be wrong, but as I understood it, most (or at least many) tribal names are names given to the tribe by either european settlers or other tribes - each tribe's name for itslef (as in most of the world) being simply "Us" or "People" or something similar, in their own language. I'm not sure if that's the case with the Apache. If so (ie if the APache have another name for themself), what is it? ANd would one Apache use it when speaking to another?

Well, even more convoluted is the fact that there were many types of Apache. I am Lipan Apache, but there are other variations.

Lipan is what we would call ourselves, but we were of a greater denomination that is Apache- due to where the tribe settled.

Lipan is also the variant of the language that would be spoken- I don't know any, so don't ask.

And in some cases, those "same tribes" have historically "got along" about as well as the Scots and English did in the pre-Stewart days.

In some ways, the conquest of Amercia reminds me of the Roman conquest of Britain, or the norman one of Wales: in many cases the locals regarded the newcomer as just another tribe, one more option when allying against enemies. The newcomers saw all the locals as just locals, and exploited the tensions amongst them to further their own purposes.

[hiddendragon]

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices...

I like to call 'em redskinned savages, but that's just the 15th century European in me.


Seriously, though. Forget all this politically correct bullshit. Call them Indians, if you'd like. If you're afraid of confusing people with the red ones and the yellow ones then call them native american or whatever.

[Skittles!]

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices..

I'd have to disagree. Yes, you were the supposedly first peoples in the land of the USA, but animals are the "True" Americans, as you so put it.

[jonesthecurl]

Who's "we" in your case, dragon?

[Skittles!]

Who's "we" in your case, dragon?

The ones that came up from South America.

[strike wolf]

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices..

I'd have to disagree. Yes, you were the supposedly first peoples in the land of the USA, but animals are the "True" Americans, as you so put it.

Yeah, all you humans leave at once and give the land back to us wolves.

[Thor Son of Olaf]

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices...

If the Europeans had left you to your own devices, you'd not be much further along than stone tools and animal hides.

[hiddendragon]

supposedly first peoples in the land of the USA? we were here for over 14,000 years, all but a small fraction of the time we didn't have to share the land with the european settlers...most of you cowards love to offend but get your yellow-bellied selves to a reservation and you white would prefer compton to that expieriance...Nez Pierce is my tribe but I also have some cherokee and pueblo in my blood as well...you cowards aint swimming back yet?

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices..

I'd have to disagree. Yes, you were the supposedly first peoples in the land of the USA, but animals are the "True" Americans, as you so put it.

[strike wolf]

If the Europeans had never come there would also be a lot more of them.

[jonesthecurl]

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices...

If the Europeans had left you to your own devices, you'd not be much further along than stone tools and animal hides.

the depth of your ignorance amazes me repeatedly.
It is your only talent.

[hiddendragon]

better that then the shit that is here now...

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices...

If the Europeans had left you to your own devices, you'd not be much further along than stone tools and animal hides.

[hiddendragon]

white-people are cowards...that is all there is too it...

[Skittles!]

supposedly first peoples in the land of the USA? we were here for over 14,000 years, all but a small fraction of the time we didn't have to share the land with the european settlers...most of you cowards love to offend but get your yellow-bellied selves to a reservation and you white would prefer compton to that expieriance...Nez Pierce is my tribe but I also have some cherokee and pueblo in my blood as well...you cowards aint swimming back yet?

We are the TRUE AMERICANS, the rest of yous are invaders...get out of our country and use a couple of whites as floatation devices..

I'd have to disagree. Yes, you were the supposedly first peoples in the land of the USA, but animals are the "True" Americans, as you so put it.

I didn't mean to offend, sorry. That animal thing was joke though. What I was trying to say is that there might of been an earlier settlement of people living the USA, and that your and other Native American ancestors wiped them out.

[pimpdave]

white-people are cowards...that is all there is too it...

Don't underestimate your enemy. He is actually very brave, but generally only when in a mob of haters.

[Skittles!]

white-people are cowards...that is all there is too it...

Okay, f*ck. That got me angry.

You call White people cowards, and invaders. But it also the Native Americans that were cowards and invaders also. Your ancestors [as well as mine, but that's not in this context] wiped out people. Probably lots of tribes from the USA and Canada area were wiped out thousands of years ago. No "white" person could of done that, only the Native Americans. So before you start saying Europeans took all your lands and stuff [they did, but also not in this context] your ancestors took over peoples lands also.

[pimpdave]

That doesn't make it any less wrong for our ancestors to have taken their land.

Or give them any less reason to resent us.

[hiddendragon]

The clovis and folsom people could have integrated...it could have been a change in diet...how can one prove what one has no facts for...and Your pissed? I was hoping to find a happy conversation about Native American and find this shit...All this prejudice and from whom? white people...ya I said some shit but had some of you fools thought an iota before you spoke half the attrosities in history could have been averted...

white-people are cowards...that is all there is too it...

Okay, f*ck. That got me angry.

You call White people cowards, and invaders. But it also the Native Americans that were cowards and invaders also. Your ancestors [as well as mine, but that's not in this context] wiped out people. Probably lots of tribes from the USA and Canada area were wiped out thousands of years ago. No "white" person could of done that, only the Native Americans. So before you start saying Europeans took all your lands and stuff [they did, but also not in this context] your ancestors took over peoples lands also.

[Skittles!]

That doesn't make it any less wrong for our ancestors to have taken their land.

Or give them any less right to resent us.

No, it doesn't. But, we are not the only invaders in the history of the earth. Europeans took their lands, their country. That was not right, and it will never ever be right to invades someone's land. To resent us, yes.

But to say we are invaders, the only invaders. Gets me cheesed off. We don't know what happened thousands of years ago on the continent of North and South America. But there was probably a few invasions of the same kind, but not devastation, that Europeans did to the native tribes.

and Your pissed? I was hoping to find a happy conversation about Native American and find this shit...All this prejudice and from whom? white people...ya I said some shit but had some of you fools thought an iota before you spoke half the attrosities in history could have been averted..

Europeans are horrible people, I must admit. I have to admit that. There is no compromise with that fact. I have never met a native American face-to-face, so I don't know how much pain and resentment they show towards Europeans. I wasn't trying to be prejudice, because I have no idea about North American history, specifically USA, other than the Revolution and when Europeans came.

[muy_thaiguy]

First of all hidden, to help avoid confusion, maybe put the quote first and then your response to it, yes? Second of all, people have been killing each other off for each other's lands. The Natives (I REALLY don't want to list all the tribes) were doing it to each other in both North and South America LONG before the "evil white devil came." In actuality, the natives here are still alive, not many other conquered people can say that (though I mean no offense by "conquered people"). And weren't some of your ancestors enemies? You may not be around if not for integration.

[pimpdave]

Please show where the Mohicans are. I'd like to meet one.


(and yeah, a whole big fucking list of others)