[Deadpool] A new private civil discussion forum

[Snorri1234]

Also: Shameless promotion.

[black elk speaks]

temper temper. You think that its all about preserving a christian view. I am not christian, though I once was, i am no longer. its about presenting your arguments without being an ass hole to the person that you are arguing with. Snorri isn't capable of this, from what I have seen.

to be honest, I have not denied anyone entry. there are few that i think that I would bar from entering the clan. but here is a thought, instead of acting out like a child, why don't you send me a pm telling me how you intend to behave and try to convince me that you really do intent on remaining civil inside the walls of the tavern. if you can convince me, then i will be your advocate and see if i can sway the other members of the clan leadership to consider allowing you in.

[Neoteny]

Nonsense. This was not a requirement for any other individuals, and it should not be for us. Additionally, when your mind is already made up, as it clearly is for snorri, it will merely be a waste of time. If the goodwill you are pretending to extend to us were sound, then we would already be in the group.

[Snorri1234]

temper temper. You think that its all about preserving a christian view. I am not christian, though I once was, i am no longer. its about presenting your arguments without being an ass hole to the person that you are arguing with. Snorri isn't capable of this, from what I have seen.

I'm fully capable of it. It's just that my more well-known debates centre around me shouting at ignorant retards.

I just have a hard time not shouting at idiots who post the same shit 80+ pages in that has been proven incorrect in the first 3 pages. It's not that I'm incapable of responding civily, but you forget that I've been here for longer than a lot of people so I remember stuff that happened before. I don't bother to respond to Danger Boy, THORNHEART or Nappy Ier with an actual argument because I know that they won't bother to comprehend it. It's like talking to a brick wall: You may have all the logic in the world but when you crash with such a thing you're still fucked.

Ofcourse, I could just not reply to them but that means doing something completely against my nature.

to be honest, I have not denied anyone entry. there are few that i think that I would bar from entering the clan. but here is a thought, instead of acting out like a child, why don't you send me a pm telling me how you intend to behave and try to convince me that you really do intent on remaining civil inside the walls of the tavern. if you can convince me, then i will be your advocate and see if i can sway the other members of the clan leadership to consider allowing you in.

By the way, I don't think it's your fault. PBG has shown himself to be far more protective of christians. I just think that since you being also a mod have a responsibility to ensure that people aren't being denied acces for no good reason.

Since I can easily be banned from the forum, I have no intent to cause a disruption. I'd actually like to discuss topics without the trolling, but Chatterbox (or whatever it's called) doesn't give you that freedom because everyone can post nonsensical stuff in there quickly leading to 85 pages about abortion. The problem is that people often say they're "just showing a different viewpoint to yours" when it's blatantly obvious to me that all they are really doing is spouting plain, fascist propaganda. I just don't like it when people say things like "Abstinence-only education will make teenagers less likely to have sex" when a 10-year reseach from a bunch of high-educated people shows it's fucking bullshit.

I just don't like it when people aren't actually using facts. You may not like that, I know a number of people don't like it. But when people actually bring forth a solid argument I tend to listen to them and respond instead of flaming the next retard who asks why people are willing to vote for BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA THE FUCKING MUSLIM YEAH KORAN AND ALL THAT.






Civil debate goes both ways.

[Snorri1234]

Nonsense. This was not a requirement for any other individuals,

Seriously, Danger Boy got into the group at first.


Fucking Danger Boy!

[Neoteny]

Nonsense. This was not a requirement for any other individuals,

Seriously, Danger Boy got into the group at first.


Fucking Danger Boy!

Go figure.

[Iliad]

I've yet been told why I should not be in. I deserve fully to be in that clan

[owenshooter]

Well, I never got a yea/nay... so I hereby formally re-submit my request to join this humble society.

i double "word" on that one... me too..-0

[black elk speaks]

Well, I never got a yea/nay... so I hereby formally re-submit my request to join this humble society.

i double "word" on that one... me too..-0

I have submitted requests for both of you. I will let you know when a decision has been made.

Neoteny and snorri, I have submitted your requests and you have both been declined. Sorry.

[Snorri1234]

Neoteny and snorri, I have submitted your requests and you have both been declined.

Suprise suprise.

[Snorri1234]

Also, any explanation for why I wasn't allowed in?

[Neoteny]

Well, I never got a yea/nay... so I hereby formally re-submit my request to join this humble society.

i double "word" on that one... me too..-0

I have submitted requests for both of you. I will let you know when a decision has been made.

Neoteny and snorri, I have submitted your requests and you have both been declined. Sorry.

CA was nice enough to inform me. I do intend to continue to complain of injustices and bigotry.

[mandyb]

Also, any explanation for why I wasn't allowed in?

Because you're guilty until proven innocent?

[Snorri1234]

Also, any explanation for why I wasn't allowed in?

Because you're guilty until proven innocent?

Ah, the old "guantanomo bay" school of thought. yeah, I certainly get from where they're coming from.

[Neoteny]

Also, any explanation for why I wasn't allowed in?

Because you're guilty until proven innocent?

Ah, the old "guantanomo bay" school of thought. yeah, I certainly get from where they're coming from.

I prefer "inquisition style."

[Snorri1234]

I like how people ignored my explanation for being a dickwad though.

[Neoteny]

I like how people ignored my explanation for being a dickwad though.

We've already been rejected. Try again in three or four weeks, over which time your posting style is likely to have evolved into something completely different.

[black elk speaks]

Also, any explanation for why I wasn't allowed in?

it has something to do with every single post that you have ever made, i think

[Neoteny]

Except for this one.

Wow, that's amazing. Both of those definitions are totally incorrect!


Kudos.

Then what are the definitions? Please don't just spam and say I am wrong. Give some data to back up your opinion.

Well, to quote from the wikipedia entry on evolution.
Evolution= The change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. (Inherited traits in your genes ofcourse.)
Natural selection= A process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare.


Evolution doesn't mean everything has to become more complex. Genetic information can be added and removed depending on it's usefullness. (If it doesn't have any negative or positive effects, it frequently just stays there reproducing with every cell-division.) Being more complex doesn't have to mean you're better, just look at all the simple bacteria that exist which are totally doing a great job of living.

"So Natural Selection is the process by which an organism can adapt or pass on information to its offspring within and limited by its own genetic information. While natural selection does produce change, it does not do it by adding new genetic information, but by weeding out some of the information that was already there."

Plain and simple, natural selection can actually add new information. You must not be familiar with the process of celmutations, but I'll explain it.
There are many different kinds of mutation. (All of which have been observed.)
1.1 Pointmutations, where one nucleotide in the DNA-sequence is exchanged by another.
1.2 Deletion, where one nucleotide is removed from the sequence, which can lead to an alteration of the reading frame.
1.3 Insertions, where one nucleotide is added to the sequence, which can also lead to an alteration of the reading frame.
...
actually, just read the wiki-entry and learn about it. It's quite simple.

[Neoteny]

And this one.

The evolution we are discussing REQUIRES information to become more complex. Small single celled organisms >= Millions of years >= man.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's the only definition of evolution.

-How many of them are actually beneficial compared to the number that are harmful?

Actually, there is no way to say that. Most mutations actually have no effect whatsoever. But when enough mutations happen they can lead to a change, either for good or for bad.
But since harmfull mutations tend to get weeded out (due to lessening the survival rate), benificial mutations usually have a better effect. Mutations are rare if you look at a single protein, but if you account for the number of actual nucleotids in your DNA, a mutation isn't that unlikely.

-What is the probability that two mutations will act together to be beneficial to the organism?
-What is the probability that three would?

Well for that to work it only has to mean that the mutations either don't affect eachother in any way or they work together. Working together is rare, but not affecting isn't.

-How likely are these 1 in a million beneficial mutations likely to change the structure so much that the benefit of the single mutation will overpower the population and the mutation will continue to flourish through the rest of the genetic pool?

Even with a slight increase in survivability, it will become more frequent. Mutations don't happen once in a while, they happen all the time. You have 3 billion base pairs in your DNA, how much of stretch is it to believe you get quite a few mutations? A mutation doesn't have to show in phenotype to have a benificial effect. It can mean a better protein-usage, it can mean an increased fertility, it can mean slightly smarter brain, it can mean just about anything.


You're looking at it the wrong way. Don't imagine a mere thousand reproductions, imagine a few billion.

[Neoteny]

And this one.

The first part of the "human evolution chain" lucy, have you seen a picture of that skeleton, like half of it is missing, how can you prove anything from half a skeleton. Maybe it was a human with some monkey like characteristics, we've all seen them.

Ofcourse half of it's is missing! It would be awesome if we discovered a complete and intact skeleton, but sadly the earth is against us. This is why we use scientific methods and analysis of the bonestructure and stuff like that to see what it looked like and if it might be humanlike enough...


Besides, we don't think it is actually part of the human evolution chain anymore.

[Iliad]

I like how people ignored my explanation for being a dickwad though.

We've already been rejected. Try again in three or four weeks, over which time your posting style is likely to have evolved into something completely different.

snorri's posting style has an intelligent design!

[Snorri1234]

Except for this one.

Wow, that's amazing. Both of those definitions are totally incorrect!


Kudos.

Then what are the definitions? Please don't just spam and say I am wrong. Give some data to back up your opinion.

Well, to quote from the wikipedia entry on evolution.
Evolution= The change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. (Inherited traits in your genes ofcourse.)
Natural selection= A process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare.


Evolution doesn't mean everything has to become more complex. Genetic information can be added and removed depending on it's usefullness. (If it doesn't have any negative or positive effects, it frequently just stays there reproducing with every cell-division.) Being more complex doesn't have to mean you're better, just look at all the simple bacteria that exist which are totally doing a great job of living.

"So Natural Selection is the process by which an organism can adapt or pass on information to its offspring within and limited by its own genetic information. While natural selection does produce change, it does not do it by adding new genetic information, but by weeding out some of the information that was already there."

Plain and simple, natural selection can actually add new information. You must not be familiar with the process of celmutations, but I'll explain it.
There are many different kinds of mutation. (All of which have been observed.)
1.1 Pointmutations, where one nucleotide in the DNA-sequence is exchanged by another.
1.2 Deletion, where one nucleotide is removed from the sequence, which can lead to an alteration of the reading frame.
1.3 Insertions, where one nucleotide is added to the sequence, which can also lead to an alteration of the reading frame.
...
actually, just read the wiki-entry and learn about it. It's quite simple.

Damn. Now I see what they mean. Yeah, that post was seriously out of line. I'm suprised Twill or Wicked didn't ban me for it.

[deronimo]

Nonsense. This was not a requirement for any other individuals,

Seriously, Danger Boy got into the group at first.


Fucking Danger Boy!

I never saw that guy in there and he's not listed as a member. I think he got rejected actually

[Neoteny]

Nonsense. This was not a requirement for any other individuals,

Seriously, Danger Boy got into the group at first.


Fucking Danger Boy!

I never saw that guy in there and he's not listed as a member. I think he got rejected actually

wat