Eliminate the scoring system

[Evil Semp]

Why do people keep putting forward that stupid question when the answer is perfectly obvious to anyone who actually thinks about it?

Maybe its a stupid question because you have an answer to it.

Everyone started off at the same rank, rookie. For most of the older players, when we played everyone was around the same rank. Rookie, Private, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major. There were no Generals, very few colonels and majors. Everyone was relatively close in rank comparatively so there was little dramatic point gains and losses.

Couldn't you have just given an answer without the insult?

If you want to whine about playing the way we did then why don't you actually try it. Work your way up.

Why is it ok for the "older players" to whine about the point system? Just because they have been around longer? Or because they have to put their points where their mouths are?

I think we all start out the same and work our way up. And I have worked my way up to where I am.

Only in the latter half of the year when people started getting really high ranked did this question come up. From newbies.

I would never have asked this question if the "older players" would not cry about the point system.

[dugcarr1]

i think its a better idea then what we have now.


we do need a change


i play alot diffnrent because of this shitty system.


WHAT IS THE THE MAKING SIR ? new system?


i think most of us can agree we need a change.

see some of my other posts about it.
im in 7th place and still have the BALLS to play in singles open to evryone!

very few pople in the top 30 plays can say that,,, mostly to protect there preshis points...
so im in the top 10 and still think this system sucks.

lets make a change now!

[AAFitz]

evil semp

i really dont care all that much, or i wouldnt play the games i play, but i care enough

the rank is at least some indication of how we play, and with 20000 people shuffling through, it would be hard for me to get a game with the good players....

i would just have to say, hey, im good...play me

i dont think the point system is that far off...i really dont...but it does mean i have to win ten games if i lose to my dad once just to get the points back

i could play in elite games forever, and never lose more than 20, but i dont get to play 80% of the people on here...besides...as anyone who plays me knows...5 and 6 player games are not my strong suit....

a practice field would let everyone play each other without concern

and point games still lets us have an idea of the kind of player each person is

so i agree with you...but not fully....

it sounds as though Andy knows there is a present coming in the new year, so this is perfunctionary, but it is cool to hear everyones ideas

[sully800]

i think its a better idea then what we have now.


we do need a change


i play alot diffnrent because of this shitty system.


WHAT IS THE THE MAKING SIR ? new system?


i think most of us can agree we need a change.

see some of my other posts about it.
im in 7th place and still have the BALLS to play in singles open to evryone!

very few pople in the top 30 plays can say that,,, mostly to protect there preshis points...
so im in the top 10 and still think this system sucks.

lets make a change now!

You always say it needs to change but I still don't understand what your problem with the scoring system is...

Is it simply because many high ranking players get most of their points from doubles games? Or is it just because you don't think you should lose as many points if you lose to a person with a low rank? or something else?

Just trying to understand man. I still have yet to play a doubles game, and I'm pretty high on the scoreboard. But I have no problems with the scoring system (other than the fact that many high ranking players avoid low rankers almost absolutely- I don't like the segregation of the site in that manner, but I don't do that so its not exactly a personal problem )

[Ronaldinho]

Disagree nyg5680. I think people play because they like the game. I think the points and ranks make people play differently. They play private games so they don't have to play low ranked players. It is creating a divided site, the have's and have not's.

why would i as a colonal want to play a n00b that i could beat within 3 rounds? i want to play with my kind of skill level and not have to have pointless games with shit unexperianced players

[Evil Semp]

why would i as a colonal want to play a n00b that i could beat within 3 rounds? i want to play with my kind of skill level and not have to have pointless games with shit unexperianced players

That is exactly the attitude that I am talking about. "The I am better than you are." What do you call them when they get up in the scoreboard.

And to answer your question with a question why would anyone want to play with you with that attitude?

Did you know how to play the game when you joined the site? Just because they are new here does not mean they can't play. When I first started playing here I posted this site for friends to join, and about 15 of them have joined. They are all excellent Risk players, but they were noobs here also.

And if someone who joins the site and doesn't know how to play shouldn't we teach them? Or are you to good for that? But reading your post you are to good to help someone learn.

And I am willing to bet you got more respect as a noob when nobody knew you that you are giving to new players.

[Fircoal]

I like it better if we keep the scoring system, That way you can see how your doing and compair to your friends. I like it when things count for something. It'd be different if you just added an option for if you want a score or not. I hate this idea. It's the only idea I've seen so far, that I hate that much.
SO,
NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!

[dividedbyzero]

I still pretty much play public games only. I don't consider myself above anyone...though I get pretty disgusted/discouraged with deadbeaters.

That said, I like the point/ranking system as a measure of how well I'm doing. I suppose it could just be a win/loss record, as well...but all things considered, this is about trying to get as far as I can. Not because I want to beat Blitzaholic or eye84free, but because I want to see how high I can get.

I don't like the cheating/multi issues and if the only way to fix that is a big revision of the scoring system, I'd at least keep an open mind. I do think the scoring system does keep it a little more competitive and I'd hate to lose that edge.

I guess it just seems like there are definite pros to a scoring system but I can see the cons, too. If there's a way to keep some sort of scoring and make it better, that's what I'd want...for whatever that's worth.

dbz

[Ronaldinho]

why would i as a colonal want to play a n00b that i could beat within 3 rounds? i want to play with my kind of skill level and not have to have pointless games with shit unexperianced players

That is exactly the attitude that I am talking about. "The I am better than you are." What do you call them when they get up in the scoreboard.

And to answer your question with a question why would anyone want to play with you with that attitude?

Did you know how to play the game when you joined the site? Just because they are new here does not mean they can't play. When I first started playing here I posted this site for friends to join, and about 15 of them have joined. They are all excellent Risk players, but they were noobs here also.

And if someone who joins the site and doesn't know how to play shouldn't we teach them? Or are you to good for that? But reading your post you are to good to help someone learn.

And I am willing to bet you got more respect as a noob when nobody knew you that you are giving to new players.

ive not got a attitude i just belive that i have came here for a challange. When i joined i fell into line and worked hard to get where i am!. I know my position in this site, and so should newbies, they like ALL of us higher ranks should work hard and not get snobby because we dont want to play with them. So my answer to this is NO and if the scoreboard goes i will shorly follow as i think seperation is good as we can play with are own skill levels, although not allways as expected as some people are better at doubles.


So to sum up what im saying, and this is NO means snobby towards anyone, but i think newbies should work for there place as we wont surly give them a easy ride because we are all human and want to win everything . SO just like i dident expect an easy ride to get where i am so should every player joining



Ronaldinho.

[AK_iceman]

I think it's a really bad idea. There may be a few changes we could make to the system to make it better, but its too dramatic to do away with the scoreboard completely!

I agree that there are people who play "elite" games, maybe it's to keep their score high, maybe it's so they only play experienced players? Who cares? Don't bash them because they want to play differently than you do.
New players are often inexperienced and unpredictable, I can see why people would avoid playing with them. It's not always about "protecting" your points.

Thanks Andy, its good to hear that CC is trying to find a way to improve itself yet again. I look forward to it.

[reverend_kyle]

I play in the elite games in about 5 of the 20 I have going at a certain time.... not because I believe I am better than anyone else, but mostly because I meet the requirements and want a challenge. I dont think I'm the best person on the elite playing board, but I look forward to learning from the people better than me on there.


The other 15 games are all public, I dont care who joins those, If I play a private and lose, well, shame on me I deserve to lose those 40 points. When I beat a private, well, sure I wish I got a better payback than those measly 9 or 10 points but when I actually think about it I dont deserve it.

[N0g]

I guess I'm not ranked high enough to even see the "elite" board. So, there is a group of games that only players ranked over a certain level can see? That's just terrible, if that's the case. I can tell you from experience that you are going to drop a turd into the same water in the Executive Washroom as you do the Public Restroom.

One of the reasons I'm ranked as low as I am (lack of skills being the first), is because I play almost exclusively public games. I will win four or five in a row and get my rank up there and then lose four or five to noobs and lose it all over again. It doesn't matter to me. I'm not here for the rank.

I would like to see some changes to keep the "elite" players from only playing themselves. And what I would really like to see is a Team vs. Solo rank, if only because it would be interesting to see who falls out of the top 50 when you eliminate Team points.

[reverend_kyle]

I guess I'm not ranked high enough to even see the "elite" board. So, there is a group of games that only players ranked over a certain level can see? That's just terrible, if that's the case. I can tell you from experience that you are going to drop a turd into the same water in the Executive Washroom as you do the Public Restroom.

One of the reasons I'm ranked as low as I am (lack of skills being the first), is because I play almost exclusively public games. I will win four or five in a row and get my rank up there and then lose four or five to noobs and lose it all over again. It doesn't matter to me. I'm not here for the rank.

I would like to see some changes to keep the "elite" players from only playing themselves. And what I would really like to see is a Team vs. Solo rank, if only because it would be interesting to see who falls out of the top 50 when you eliminate Team points.

The elite games can be seen if you go to tournament games, and if your score is major or higher, you can pm scorba for the pw.

[elmago79]

Hi there,

I'm still pretty new to the site, but I feel this is one of the biggest problems here (beside double turns and deadbeats). Allow me, if you please, to tell you about my situation.

I joined the site of November, mainly to play with a friend of mine who lives in Finland qand other friends who live near me but I don't see so often. I immediately fell in love with Conquer Club, and donated to get my premium membership within the week, and enjoying the challenge of new maps and different styles of players.

My friend, in real life, is very good at Risk, so I thought he would rise quickly in rank. I was wrong. My other friends are doing so so, and the fact that i've been wining more games than them creates a rift in rank.

I do love the idea of ranks, the 40 minutes or so that I was captain made me jump up and down, but now I'm a little reluctant to play against my friends, because they do tend to gang up on me, and I lose to many points against them.

So, if the option became available to play without points, I could go back to play my friends for the fun of it, and play against the rest for the challenge (and the glory ). Also, it would allow me to teach my girlfriend how to play without anyone thinking I'm cheating.

About the scoring system, I do feel it's broken and I hope the Powers that Be correct it. I admit concentrating on high ranking players so I have a better chance of scoring good points, and I see I'm in no position to win, attacking lower ranking players so the higher ones win to lose less points in the end. It is strategy, but it would be fairer to all if rank didn't matter.

Last but not least, on the "better than thou" argument that Ronaldinho speaks of, I think some of the rookies are better players than you may think. Some of them may be playing the game for years on table board. Still, losing 70 points to find this out is to much.

[A Mans Part]

I play basketball because I like the game. If we didn't keep score, I wouldn't like it, because t would no longer be a competition. I believe the competitive grind of climing the scoreboard keeps many of the players playing. Personally, I probably would have played a few times, then got bored with it and left.

The rankings also give me a reason to play against people other than the few friends I already have. I see skilled players move up the ranks and I want to play against them. Otherwise, I would teach my dog to play and stay off the computer.

[A Mans Part]

The reality is, you CAN play without a point system if you just ignore your score. Play who you want, or just your friends. If you take points away, people care less about losing and the competition gets weaker.

Play poker against somebody who has money on the line, then play against someone using paperclips as chips. Tell me which game is more fun. To me, it is against the player who is trying hard because they have something on the line.

[wicked]

I would've missed out on meeting a lot of fun new people if I'd been snobby, err I mean selective, about who I play. I've been in a few games with some of these self-proclaimed "elitist" players, and have been bored for the most part... most I've seen are way too serious anyway and forget it's supposed to be a fun game, and play in the same boring predictable manner all the time. I'd prefer a fun game chat over beating some snobby player anyday.

[dugcarr1]

we just need a real change,, bottom line.

[zarvinny]

kill the points system! make this site for fun. but maybe, if you win a tournament, you could get a pic badge next to ur name. like the perosn who starts the tourny says here's the badge you get for winnning. if u win, that badge gets put next to ur name, like a rank. that'd be cool, but i think hard to implement

Good Idea, I like it!



I think there should be an option, like most online games have. When you create a game, you either check the box that says "rated game" or don't. And whenever you wanna join a game, you see if it is rated or not.

Also, and I think this goes for most people on this site, I came here because I wanted to play risk anytime and not have to gather a bunch of buddies for a game. I wasn't looking for a way to give myself points. I started an account cause I wanted to try my skill, not to be a General. Heck, I didn't even know that there were points until I won my first game and got like 100 points.

Basically, most people weren't searching for a site that gives them "points" for winning, just a website that is fun and on one that you can play risk anytime. So, to repeat, there should be an option for rated games, they don't all have to be rated.


another idea, one can have tournaments where no games are scored, but the winner and the runner's up either get a badge (see quote above) or a set number of points.

[sully800]

we just need a real change,, bottom line.

Everyone understands that you feel that way.

But I haven't heard very many people echoing in agreement- certainly not the majority.

There is no bottom line on issues that are a matter of opinion.

[Fircoal]

The reality is, you CAN play without a point system if you just ignore your score. Play who you want, or just your friends. If you take points away, people care less about losing and the competition gets weaker.

Play poker against somebody who has money on the line, then play against someone using paperclips as chips. Tell me which game is more fun. To me, it is against the player who is trying hard because they have something on the line.

In poker it's a bit different. Because if your poor ( like me) it's funner without an money on the line, but it still has some score.

[elmago79]

sully800:

Still, there might be enough of us to consider creating an option for non-scored games, I hope.

[joeyjordison]

for those of u who don't like the scoring system just forget about it. it doens't really change much... who cares if u can abuse it? the only satisfaction people get is their number going up.

[Evil Semp]

who cares if u can abuse it?

Try readng the cheating and abuse forum, you will see many care about it.

[tals]

for those of u who don't like the scoring system just forget about it. it doens't really change much... who cares if u can abuse it? the only satisfaction people get is their number going up.

Unfortunately some people use it to there advantage - so if you are on the lower ranks you may find yourself up against 5 others who will all be against you simply because they care about those extra 10 points.

That said - the points system is what makes this site very good, just would like to see some of the improvements aka chess stype points system implemented instead. A friendly game option is also a good idea

Tals