awesome T-Baby [noted]

[Skiman]

Accused:
awesome T-Baby

The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):
[game]3630397[/game]

Comments: During this Age of Realm 2 game awesome T-Baby sent me two PMs sharing his location and asking for mine, so that we could kill the other player.

The first PM said: im in ghyr and aoria where is green
The second PM said: hey im in aoria and ghyr where are u i need to kill green

I didn't even see the PMs until after I'd taken my turn, in which I'd attacked awesome T-Baby. His response was to threaten me with foe listing for allowing a lower ranked player a chance of winning - at least this time in open game chat. Then he quit the game.

This is a clear cut case of cheating.

[killmanic]

can u take screen shots of the pms please

[Skiman]

Happy to provide screen shots - how do I do that? In the meantime, here's are simple copy/pastes:

asdf
Sent at: Today, 09:43
From: awesome T-Baby
To: Skiman

im in ghyr and aoria where is green


ASD
Sent at: Today, 09:44
From: awesome T-Baby
To: Skiman

hey im in aoria and ghyr where are u i need to kill green

[kerntheconkerer]

Screens of the PM would be helpful. You know about Ctrl + Print Screen?

[Digital Jihad]

I can agree with him- Awesome T Baby sounded familiar to me so I did some research. He and a cook with 200 points joined my 3-P malta game, and teamed up against me...He purposely let the cook win..I lost 89 points...If you look at the log, they never attacked each other after each getting bonuses that bordered each other...here is a link to the game.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2304609

Just for your info. That game you mentioned is with Awesome G baby. The name mentioned in this thread is awesome T baby.

[kerntheconkerer]

Really? Wow i feel stupid...i guess I'll just edit that post

[Skiman]

kerntheconkerer, don't feel too silly. It looks like Big A, awesome T-Baby and awesome G-Baby work together. And if you take a look into Big A's games profile, it looks like he might be a multi with Biggie Boy. They play tons of 3 man assassin doodle together and Biggie Boy wins almost every game.

Big A has been in private games with both awesome T-Baby and awesome G-Baby, who happen to be double partners. And the three of them have been triples partners. In this game 1951142, a private game with awesome T-baby, awesome G-baby and Big A, this was actually said in chat: Awesome G-Baby: I GOT YOU TO A CORPORAL AFTER I WON ONE OF YOUR GAMES FOR YOU

So it sounds like they are making sure their friends get points. It looks like awesome G-baby is farming off points from Big A, in 1v1 doodle earth games. It looks like he then had a 3 man game with you to let Big A win and get the points up a bit, so he could farm them down again.

[king achilles]

The "copy and paste" proof presented here is not sufficient enough to warrant a block between the two of you. This is noted for awesome T-Baby.

Just to clarify, awesome T-Baby has already been blocked with Awesome G-Baby, TLatzDEnd11, 2AL, T-dawg, Texas Longhorns and G75 for a few months now.

[Skiman]

I'm sure I understand the ruling here - I'm happy to provide screenshots of the PMs (for forward the PMs to you) if the copy/paste isn't enough. Please don't make a ruling of no evidence yet!

But "noted" doesn't mean anything, does it? This isn't about him trying to cheat with multi accounts of his old friends. This guy is offering new secret alliances and should probably have his points reset and his premium revoked (if he's got one) - having been blocked from using multis, he's trying to cheat with new tactics, and he's been caught red handed doing it

[king achilles]

If you do have evidence from 1 game, we would need more than that to sanction him with a point reset or revoke his premium. Can you prove that he deployed the same 'tactics' with his other games?

[Skiman]

Sorry, I can only prove he tried to cheat in my game. If evidence of cheating in multiple games is needed, I don't have that. Although given he is blocked from playing with his former mutli/secret alliance pals, you'd think this would be classified a second offense!

[Frop]

If you do have evidence from 1 game, we would need more than that to sanction him with a point reset or revoke his premium. Can you prove that he deployed the same 'tactics' with his other games?

Wait a second. Most of the people that post here do the research to help hunters out a little bit, but don't you think you could go over a few of his games instead? It looks like skiman is very willing to help, but misses the keen eye of a hunter.

You would also find that the appropriately named user 'awesome G-baby' has been reported three times in this forum.

[king achilles]

Awesome G-Baby has already been inactivated in the past.

This is a secret diplomacy case. It is very hard to determine and is almost impossible to prove unless we really have something to hold on. Yes, we can assume he is doing this to his other games, and assume he is in a secret agreement with 'this player and that', but that is just it. Please remember that you can also be accused of having a secret diplomacy with anyone out of one game alone because you may have made turns that seems to "benefit" another player. Should you be automatically banned because of it?

Please remember that we also handle different cases, not necessarily multi cases, and there are issues that also needs our attention.

That is why we appreciate the effort that all of you put in here because it helps address certain cases that may have been overlooked or have been in observation until further evidence is acquired. But I will not finalize the findings if there is not enough solid information to determine a guilty verdict of secret diplomacy. If that is the case, I can only note the report for future reference.