Why Didn't Pastor Manning Vote for Obama?

[mpjh]

Oh, if I only had a brain.

[black elk speaks]

Oh, if I only had a brain.

I think you just flamed yourself

[mpjh]

You cannot think without a brain.

[black elk speaks]

Oh, if I only had a brain.

And yet, you try?

notice how the quote suggests that you say that you do not have a brain?

[mpjh]

blah, blah, blah, bump

[black elk speaks]

blah, blah, blah, bump

That is the most intelligent thing you have said yet!

[Dancing Mustard]

*Sees what I wrote. Looks at words but doesn't know what they mean. Misses point. Gets Angry. Belches out slew of text which addresses a point to which I never referred. Maintains status as forum irrelevance.*

Now try again, but this time pay attention to what people are saying, rather than to the things you wish they'd say.

[black elk speaks]

*Sees what I wrote. Looks at words but doesn't know what they mean. Misses point. Gets Angry. Belches out slew of text which addresses a point to which I never referred. Maintains status as forum irrelevance.*

Now try again, but this time pay attention to what people are saying, rather than to the things you wish they'd say.

Practice what you preach. I keep explaining to you fools why I think what I think, yet all you can do is mock and cry "racist."

You are just a troll after all.

[Snorri1234]

*Sees what I wrote. Looks at words but doesn't know what they mean. Misses point. Gets Angry. Belches out slew of text which addresses a point to which I never referred. Maintains status as forum irrelevance.*

Now try again, but this time pay attention to what people are saying, rather than to the things you wish they'd say.

Practice what you preach. I keep explaining to you fools why I think what I think, yet all you can do is mock and cry "racist."

That's because your explanation of why you think what you think is racist.

[mpjh]

It also is because what your thoughts are racist.

[Dancing Mustard]

Also, you're a racist.

[Neoteny]

Probably a bigot too.

[black elk speaks]

It also is because what your thoughts are racist.

That is where you are wrong. I would personally rather see Black people increase their level of responsibility in this country. Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families. I descend from immigrants that came here to work and make a better future for their descendants. I was the first in my family to go to college. That was a decision that I made on my own... as a kid, I never thought about it.

If more African Americans would support their families, and not think of their children as punishments for sexual deviance, then they could break the cycle of poverty for their own people and change the dichotomy of their culture.

But I don't think it will ever work if all you do is "bailouts" and "handouts." People need to earn their way if it is going to be meaningful.

If you want a real discussion on this, then give a real response... anymore trolling on this issue is going to be ignored. If you think that this is a racist point of view, then change my mind by explaining it for me. Honestly though, I think you are just a troll and are not capable of anything but one liners,(unless it is about an outhouse) and poem quotes from Langston Hughes.

Best of luck!

[Dancing Mustard]

Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families...

If more African Americans would support their families, and not think of their children as punishments for sexual deviance, then they could break the cycle of poverty for their own people and change the dichotomy of their culture

Aaand there it is. Aximum-may acismray in the ousehay.

[GabonX]

Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families...

If more African Americans would support their families, and not think of their children as punishments for sexual deviance, then they could break the cycle of poverty for their own people and change the dichotomy of their culture

Aaand there it is. Aximum-may acismray in the ousehay.

If this were true, which I'm not saying it is, we would have no way to address this problem as to call attention to it would bring on chides of racism.

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

[Dancing Mustard]

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

Or alternatively, in cases like this one, it's like pointing out that somebody doesn't like black people and holds large numbers of unfounded, baseless, derogatory prejudices against them.

[black elk speaks]

Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families...

If more African Americans would support their families, and not think of their children as punishments for sexual deviance, then they could break the cycle of poverty for their own people and change the dichotomy of their culture

Aaand there it is. Aximum-may acismray in the ousehay.

If this were true, which I'm not saying it is, we would have no way to address this problem as to call attention to it would bring on chides of racism.

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

sure enough. And the symptomatic ideological disease of people like mpjh, mustard and snorri (to name a few) is that they can't even express why they conclude racism on my part, or their support for socialism for that matter. In the case of socialism, they just accept it because it is easier, and in the case of racism, they have nothing better to say, no ideas to identify racism, nor any ideas on the topic whatsoever. One is left to wonder why they bother to post anything at all if they aren't going to lend something of substance to the dialog.

Trolls and fool, I think.

[mpjh]

Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families...

If more African Americans would support their families, and not think of their children as punishments for sexual deviance, then they could break the cycle of poverty for their own people and change the dichotomy of their culture

Aaand there it is. Aximum-may acismray in the ousehay.

If this were true, which I'm not saying it is, we would have no way to address this problem as to call attention to it would bring on chides of racism.

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

Nope, when someone is a racists, he should be called out. Most racism is based in ignorance. It is the use of stereotypical images of a people to place them in an inferior position and maintain dominance. BES makes himself feel better by believing that he is better than the stereotype of an African-American as he sees them. Unfortunately for BES, Obama busted his stereotype, and BES is having a hard time adjusting to that, simply because he is a racist.

[GabonX]

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

Or alternatively, in cases like this one, it's like pointing out that somebody doesn't like black people and holds large numbers of unfounded, baseless, derogatory prejudices against them.

Unless of course he's right, in which case you would be doing a disservice to him as you are improperly discrediting him on false grounds, the black community as this kind of talk would be blocking any real progress for them, and indeed society as a whole as we are all connected.

Atleast one of these two things, that BES is a racist with unfounded baseless dergatory prejudices, or that there are internal problems in the black, community is true. We don't have enough information here to make a judgement about BES as we don't know him personally. We could have a critical discussion about black society in America and whether or not there are internal problems but I doubt that we would be able to do it without someone, likely you, trying to derail the conversation.

[GabonX]

Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families...

If more African Americans would support their families, and not think of their children as punishments for sexual deviance, then they could break the cycle of poverty for their own people and change the dichotomy of their culture

Aaand there it is. Aximum-may acismray in the ousehay.

If this were true, which I'm not saying it is, we would have no way to address this problem as to call attention to it would bring on chides of racism.

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

Nope, when someone is a racists, he should be called out. Most racism is based in ignorance. It is the use of stereotypical images of a people to place them in an inferior position and maintain dominance. BES makes himself feel better by believing that he is better than the stereotype of an African-American as he sees them. Unfortunately for BES, Obama busted his stereotype, and BES is having a hard time adjusting to that, simply because he is a racist.

So if someone is a racist but they have other valid ideas, that person should be black listed and none of their ideas should be given credence. Tell me, does this apply to people of all races or primarily to white people?

You said that most racism is based on ignorance. What would be an example of racism that is not based on ignorance, or is their none or does this principle only apply to criticism of the majority?

The ad hominum attack of BES is invalid. You don't know him well enough to know if he truly hates black people or if he sees valid problems in the black community. The idea that a white person cannot be critical of problems he sees in the black community is racist in and of itself.

[F1fth]

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

Or alternatively, in cases like this one, it's like pointing out that somebody doesn't like black people and holds large numbers of unfounded, baseless, derogatory prejudices against them.

Unless of course he's right, in which case you would be doing a disservice to him as you are improperly discrediting him on false grounds, the black community as this kind of talk would be blocking any real progress for them, and indeed society as a whole as we are all connected.

Atleast one of these two things, that BES is a racist with unfounded baseless dergatory prejudices, or that there are internal problems in the black, community is true. We don't have enough information here to make a judgement about BES as we don't know him personally. We could have a critical discussion about black society in America and whether or not there are internal problems but I doubt that we would be able to do it without someone, likely you, trying to derail the conversation.

Yes, but that's assuming that his statement "Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families..." wasn't baseless. What do you think of me saying "Too many white men fail to work for a living, and support their families..."? Sounds like a load of bullshit coming from ignorance, huh?

What it comes down to every time (this was what DM was saying about a straw man argument) is that every time BES mentions socialism, he describes it as stealing money from the hardworking rich and giving it to the lazy poor. Firstly, that is not an accurate portrayal of socialism, nor is it what BO or any of the posters in this thread are advocating whatsoever. It's just an oversimplification of a misunderstanding. Secondly, the fact is that a lot of the rich aren't as hardworking as BES likes to believe (The Rockefeller family earned their money, right? ) and a lot of the poor aren't as lazy either. It would be true if the amount of hard work you do equaled how much money you get, but that's not how it works. The more money you have, the easier it is to make money. A lot of the poor work their asses off their whole life just to get by, and they barely do at that because a capitalist system doesn't give a shit about them. People like BES think they're lazy and figure they're leeching off society. What ends up happened because of an ideology like that is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That's my take on it at least.

[diddle]

Because he can run fast.

[mpjh]

Because he ran smart.

[black elk speaks]

Calling someone a racist today is like calling someone a communist in the McCarthy era. It's an attempt to discredit someone and all of their ideas and it is intellectual slavery.

Or alternatively, in cases like this one, it's like pointing out that somebody doesn't like black people and holds large numbers of unfounded, baseless, derogatory prejudices against them.

Unless of course he's right, in which case you would be doing a disservice to him as you are improperly discrediting him on false grounds, the black community as this kind of talk would be blocking any real progress for them, and indeed society as a whole as we are all connected.

Atleast one of these two things, that BES is a racist with unfounded baseless dergatory prejudices, or that there are internal problems in the black, community is true. We don't have enough information here to make a judgement about BES as we don't know him personally. We could have a critical discussion about black society in America and whether or not there are internal problems but I doubt that we would be able to do it without someone, likely you, trying to derail the conversation.

Yes, but that's assuming that his statement "Too many black men fail to work for a living, and support their families..." wasn't baseless. What do you think of me saying "Too many white men fail to work for a living, and support their families..."? Sounds like a load of bullshit coming from ignorance, huh?

What it comes down to every time (this was what DM was saying about a straw man argument) is that every time BES mentions socialism, he describes it as stealing money from the hardworking rich and giving it to the lazy poor. Firstly, that is not an accurate portrayal of socialism, nor is it what BO or any of the posters in this thread are advocating whatsoever. It's just an oversimplification of a misunderstanding. Secondly, the fact is that a lot of the rich aren't as hardworking as BES likes to believe (The Rockefeller family earned their money, right? ) and a lot of the poor aren't as lazy either. It would be true if the amount of hard work you do equaled how much money you get, but that's not how it works. The more money you have, the easier it is to make money. A lot of the poor work their asses off their whole life just to get by, and they barely do at that because a capitalist system doesn't give a shit about them. People like BES think they're lazy and figure they're leeching off society. What ends up happened because of an ideology like that is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That's my take on it at least.

I think you are making some assumptions here that are false. first, there is a disproportionate number of fatherless black youth in america. That tells me that they are abandoned by their fathers due to a lack of responsibility. This fails to instill a level of responsibility in the minds of children. Based on your comments regarding the same scenario for whites, I wholly agree. TOO MANY people abandon their families. Its a sad statistic whatever your race. It just so happens that we are talking about black americans in this thread and why they voted for BO. Which leads to my thoughts on socialism.

Here in the states, we get something like 13 weeks of unemployment benefits, I think... though, they are now going to raise that, i think. when I lost my job last year, I made it a point to be aggressive. I got a business license so that I could take small jobs as I searched for a new job. no belly aching, no handout... just me. I contracted with a company short term, and was hired full time in 30 days. This is because the benefits of unemployment are lean. were they not lean, I might still be looking for a job with no impetus to secure an income that is suitable to my lifestyle. I have a friend now who is unemployed. he spends so much time frustrated with the broke dick "system" of inefficient bureaucracy when he could be seeking opportunities for work that it makes me wonder why bother.

My beef is with big government and the watered down existence that life in such a government system it has to offer. BO, hypocritically seems to think that his campaign of higher taxes to spread the wealth is the best way to secure a strong economy and fairness and equality for all people. If this is the case, then why is it that he is now suggesting to keep the economy on life support by keeping the bush tax cuts in place for the next two years? If these tax cuts are supposed to be good for an ailing economy, why does he think that they are not appropriate for a strong economy? And also, why is it that poverty in black americans has mostly been steadily decreasing over the last 30 years if republicans have had the presidency for 20 of those years?

[DaGip]

I can't get enough of this guy!

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