Not A Natural Born Citizen

[yeti_c]

Anyways, Gip, I watched your videos. Would you read this and tell me what Snopes got wrong?

Interesting that John McCain was born in Panama? Pretty sure Panama isn't part of the USA?

C.

[Juan_Bottom]

Millining Dirty - A short play

Obama: They see me rollin', they hatting.
Juan: I hate you.
Obama: Oh, sorry, I meant hating.
Juan: I also have a hat.
Obama: Fine. Have it your way. You hatting.
Juan: That's better. Now hurry up and reduce the tax on tinfoil.
Obama: That sounds like a change I can believe in.
*They both go get into the Presidential Caddy and do doughnuts in the parking lot*

Fin.

What?

I feel I have to say this a lot, and this is as good a time as any... I'm not saying Obama wasn't born in the US, I'm just saying I don't trust a guy who won't release a copy of his birht certificate to prove himself. And for me, this prolly won't go away until he does.

[Dancing Mustard]

Juan. I don't believe that you're a US citizen or were born in the US. Show me your birth certificate.

Until you do, I'm not going to trust you. Ever.

[Nobunaga]

... I was on board with this whole, "Maybe not a citizen" thing, until somebody here asked if I thought Hillary and Bill would not have found this and run with this during the primary.

... Hell yes they would have found it, and hell yes they would have had this blasting on all networks.

... So, I don't give much credence now to the idea.

...

[Dancing Mustard]

... I was on board with this whole, "Maybe not a citizen" thing, until somebody here asked if I thought Hillary and Bill would not have found this and run with this during the primary.

... Hell yes they would have found it, and hell yes they would have had this blasting on all networks.

... So, I don't give much credence now to the idea.

...

Exactly.

Also, what about McCain? Wouldn't he have got somebody in his entourage to check this out and run with it if it looked credible? He tried everything else, why did his inner-opportunist desert him on this issue?

Sure, some random dude doesn't think Obama is eligible to be President. Obama doesn't feel like he's obliged to release personal documentation just because a random dude makes an allegation. So what? If some random loon jumped up and said 'civil servant X isn't a US national', would you oblige them to publicly expose their personal document? Or would you be content to know that the due scrutiny of the appointment process had probably already done all the checks that were necessary? Or is this just a chance to make a bit of a furore over the exciting new president who doesn't look like all the others?

Also, who cares if he isn't? He's the guy everyone voted for, right? Isn't that what democracy is all about?

You don't trust him? Why not? Because he refuses to defend himself against unproven and implausible aspersions? Really?

Hey, here's one! I think Obama is a bankrupt! He's clearly insolvent so can't be president of the US. I demand that he discloses his bank details to the US Public! It's a matter of public trust!

[Nobunaga]

... I was on board with this whole, "Maybe not a citizen" thing, until somebody here asked if I thought Hillary and Bill would not have found this and run with this during the primary.

... Hell yes they would have found it, and hell yes they would have had this blasting on all networks.

... So, I don't give much credence now to the idea.

...

Exactly.

Also, what about McCain? Wouldn't he have got somebody in his entourage to check this out and run with it if it looked credible? He tried everything else, why did his inner-opportunist desert him on this issue?

Sure, some random dude doesn't think Obama is eligible to be President. Obama doesn't feel like he's obliged to release personal documentation just because a random dude makes an allegation. So what? If some random loon jumped up and said 'civil servant X isn't a US national', would you oblige them to publicly expose their personal document? Or would you be content to know that the due scrutiny of the appointment process had probably already done all the checks that were necessary? Or is this just a chance to make a bit of a furore over the exciting new president who doesn't look like all the others?

Also, who cares if he isn't? He's the guy everyone voted for, right? Isn't that what democracy is all about?

You don't trust him? Why not? Because he refuses to defend himself against unproven and implausible aspersions? Really?

Hey, here's one! I think Obama is a bankrupt! He's clearly insolvent so can't be president of the US. I demand that he discloses his bank details to the US Public! It's a matter of public trust!

... McCain and his team couldn't find the old man's socks in the morning, let alone evidence to use against Obama. Incompetent.

...

[Juan_Bottom]

Juan. I don't believe that you're a US citizen or were born in the US. Show me your birth certificate.

Until you do, I'm not going to trust you. Ever.

Send a written request to Freeport Memorial, or to the Courthouse, and I'll sign away so that you can at least see a legal copy. It's not a big deal.

... I was on board with this whole, "Maybe not a citizen" thing, until somebody here asked if I thought Hillary and Bill would not have found this and run with this during the primary.

... Hell yes they would have found it, and hell yes they would have had this blasting on all networks.

... So, I don't give much credence now to the idea.

...

This is actually what IMO gives credacy to this claim. McCain and Palin insulted Obama a buttload. They even called him a socialist. Since they bent truths and lied so much, why wouldn't they say something about this? They were getting their asses kicked before the election... why not just add "and whats with this legal citizen stuff? Isn't he proud to show his place of birth?" to the end of your "Obama isn't a true American" tyrades? It doesn't have to be true to be political gold.

Sure, some random dude doesn't think Obama is eligible to be President.

Not a random dude, Phillip Berg is a former Attorny General. Keyes is a former Presidential candidate. Peter Ogengo is the Kenyan Ambassador to the US, plus Obama's grandparents, brother and sister also claim to have seen him born in Kenya. Everyone needs to stop straw-man-ing this. If these were a collection of nobodys then noboody would care.

Or would you be content to know that the due scrutiny of the appointment process had probably already done all the checks that were necessary?

Actually the Democratic Party has admitted that they don't check that out. So have a couple of states, Florida's Attorny General has recently said that Florida doesn't check the legality of a presidental candidate's name appearing on their ballots at all.

Or is this just a chance to make a bit of a furore over the exciting new president who doesn't look like all the others?

Former presidential candidate and civil rights proponete Alan Keyes is black. And he's fighting the California courts to stop Obama from recieving California's eloctoral vote until his birth certificate is released.

You don't trust him? Why not? Because he refuses to defend himself against unproven and implausible aspersions? Really?

To me, he's unproven until he releases a legal copy of his BC. We can't be sure. Basically you're saying Obama is telling the truth, and that his family are the ones who are lying, which is fine I suppose, except.... wait for it.... how does Obama remember where he was born????
Obama was taken to court, and he did not refute this at all. Instead he ignored it. And yet all he has to do is sign 1 paper to release a copy of his birth certificate. If I were running for president I would have been proud to show my place of birth.

[mpjh]

Millining Dirty - A short play

Obama: They see me rollin', they hatting.
Juan: I hate you.
Obama: Oh, sorry, I meant hating.
Juan: I also have a hat.
Obama: Fine. Have it your way. You hatting.
Juan: That's better. Now hurry up and reduce the tax on tinfoil.
Obama: That sounds like a change I can believe in.
*They both go get into the Presidential Caddy and do doughnuts in the parking lot*

Fin.

What?

I feel I have to say this a lot, and this is as good a time as any... I'm not saying Obama wasn't born in the US, I'm just saying I don't trust a guy who won't release a copy of his birht certificate to prove himself. And for me, this prolly won't go away until he does.

Didn't you mother tell you to think before you speak?

[PLAYER57832]

Anyways, Gip, I watched your videos. Would you read this and tell me what Snopes got wrong?

Interesting that John McCain was born in Panama? Pretty sure Panama isn't part of the USA?

C.

It is not now, but it was.

Also, incidentally, is any U.S. embassy and most military bases, particularly their hospitals. By the same token, other countries' embassies in our country are considered their territory.

There are also cases, (not sure exactly how and when) where a hospital room might temporarily be considered "foreign territory", to protect a particular diplomat or his/her family. But at that point things get murky.

[mpjh]

To me, he's unproven until he releases a legal copy of his BC. We can't be sure.

He has released a legal copy of his birth certificate, which can be found on his web site. The actual original birth certificate is kept at his headquarters in Chicago. Fact check.com has inspected it and found it authentic. You can inspect it yourself if you drive your narrow ass down to Chi-town and look for yourself.

blabbing right wing crap
is like having the clap
it itches
but if you keep going back to the same bitches
no penicillin
will cure your need for chillin

cool it man -- go look for yourself

[PLAYER57832]

You don't trust him? Why not? Because he refuses to defend himself against unproven and implausible aspersions? Really?

To me, he's unproven until he releases a legal copy of his BC. We can't be sure. Basically you're saying Obama is telling the truth, and that his family are the ones who are lying, which is fine I suppose, except.... wait for it.... how does Obama remember where he was born????
Obama was taken to court, and he did not refute this at all. Instead he ignored it. And yet all he has to do is sign 1 paper to release a copy of his birth certificate. If I were running for president I would have been proud to show my place of birth.

You don't have standing, the right to ask him for his birth certificate ... and neither did those who are making the big "hoopla".

The fact is that the state of Hawaii, various other OFFICIAL entities (as well as independent/private groups like Fact check) have certified that he was born in the U.S. Those who say otherwise either have political agendas or just like conspiracies.

BUT, think on this. If this does continue and spread, exactly what is it going to do to our country? Do you SERIOUSLY think that Obama would have gotten where he is with no one in the Republican party, none of his opponents digging this up? I can gaurantee they can name every babysitter Obama ever had!

I said this before, but the worst thing for our country is turmoil/questions about the president. Why do you think the supreme court was so quick to rule on the Bush/Gore issue? Do you REALLY think all those justices really thought that Bush actually had the electoral votes? Probably not, but the time and effort to show that would have drawn the country into a quagmire which would have been far more harmful to our country than even having Bush in office. The bottom line was that they had to go with the best decision, given the circumstances. Those circumstances were that Bush had been awarded the Florida delegates. Push for better elections/oversight in the future? ABSOLUTELY! But dismiss the man who had already been announced as the future president. No!

In this case, maybe you should push for future legislation saying something to the effect of "all running for Senate or presidential office must publicize their birth certificate" ... or perhaps "must present it for review by [independent committee/judiciary/fill in your desire]. But to harp this "he should not be president" helps NO ONE! No one except the enemies of our country. This is not patriotism, it is sabotage.

P.S. Floriday might not have checked, but they are not the state with authority over this issue. As the comment continued, the state does not check birth certificates of ANY official. It is simply not their job. Those who's job it is, HAVE done so.
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[Juan_Bottom]

Didn't you mother tell you to think before you speak?

Fact check.com has inspected it and found it authentic.

You'd trust one source? His sister says that it's a lie. Now we are on equal grounds. I used one source and so did you.

He has released a legal copy of his birth certificate, which can be found on his web site.

No, he released a picture.

You can inspect it yourself if you drive your narrow ass down to Chi-town and look for yourself.

No I can't, which is the point. Only Factcheck has been allowed.

You don't have standing, the right to ask him for his birth certificate ... and neither did those who are making the big "hoopla".

Then who does? The Democratic party admits that they never check, and so have many states. Who does have the right? Phillip Berg is asking the courts to check it.

The fact is that the state of Hawaii, various other OFFICIAL entities (as well as independent/private groups like Fact check) have certified that he was born in the U.S. Those who say otherwise either have political agendas or just like conspiracies.

The only people I have seen confirm his Hawaiian birth are factcheck and whatever Hawaiian agency oversees birth certificates. But now we find out that Hawaii does give birth certificates to babies born in foreign countries so long as one of their parents lives in Hawaii... as this wears on we learn more and more.
Do you think that Obama's family have a political agenda too?

BUT, think on this. If this does continue and spread, exactly what is it going to do to our country? Do you SERIOUSLY think that Obama would have gotten where he is with no one in the Republican party, none of his opponents digging this up? I can gaurantee they can name every babysitter Obama ever had!

It was dug up, by Phillip Berg. Everyone just remained silent on it. And when the government goes quite on something, I worry about it.

Probably not, but the time and effort to show that would have drawn the country into a quagmire which would have been far more harmful to our country than even having Bush in office.

I think that the supreme court did far more harm than good.
The only good thing it did was show some people how the American people have little say in our government. And that black people have even less.

In this case, maybe you should push for future legislation saying something to the effect of "all running for Senate or presidential office must publicize their birth certificate" ... or perhaps "must present it for review by [independent committee/judiciary/fill in your desire]. But to harp this "he should not be president" helps NO ONE!

What about our laws Player? What about our Constitution? Can you just discard them everytime another person suckers you? Does that make you look strong to your enemies?

This is not patriotism, it is sabotage.

On who's account? Is the sabatoge mine, or the courts protecting him? It's a single signature, and everything goes away.

Those who's job it is, HAVE done so.

Could you name them? Can anyone name them?
According to Phillip Berg, no one checks this out. If there was an agency, then we would know who it is by now.

[Juan_Bottom]

Just found this for you Player, this is what would happen if we found out that Obama is ineligable.
Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20210273

"What's the nation's reaction to that? What's going to be the reaction in the next U.S. election? God knows. It has almost revolutionary consequences, if you think about it."

Imaging guru: 'Certification' of birth time, location is fake
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82503

The Obama campaign has told WND such allegations are "garbage," but Ron Polarik, who holds a Ph.D. in instructional media specializing in computer technology such as printers, scanners and digital imaging, disagrees. His analyses have been posted online in a YouTube video, which also is embedded here:

Polarik explained to WND his four months of research on the images, including nearly 1,000 test images using actual scans and photographs of real certificates, indicate there are several "giveaways" on the image itself. For example, the document has gray and white between the lettering, not green pixels as the rest of the background document, suggesting someone cut-and-pasted or typed new information that was embedded on top of the background.

And now?

[mpjh]

Juan, this is disappointing. If you want to prove that the moon is made of blue cheese, you can find someone with a PHD who will give you the proof. If you cannot believe that the birth certificate at the Obama HQ in Chicago is authentic, well that is unfortunate. Have you called them to see if they will let you see the document? Do you have an organization that you would trust that could verify the document for you? Or are you just interested in keeping the tin foil on, and the fake controversy raging? There are plenty of other raving nutters out there to keep it up with you.

[black elk speaks]

Juan, this is disappointing. If you want to prove that the moon is made of blue cheese, you can find someone with a PHD who will give you the proof. If you cannot believe that the birth certificate at the Obama HQ in Chicago is authentic, well that is unfortunate. Have you called them to see if they will let you see the document? Do you have an organization that you would trust that could verify the document for you? Or are you just interested in keeping the tin foil on, and the fake controversy raging? There are plenty of other raving nutters out there to keep it up with you.

Other than fact check... who has verified the authenticity of the document? I mean, seriously, a document posted on a website with a photoshop altered time stamp is hardly proof of a legitimate document.

I do agree that if this turns out to be true, if BO is disqualified from office based on this blatant cover-up, it will be bad for our country, but I think that selling out our moral obligation to adhere to the rules would be an even greater travesty.

Why is it that you blue folks seem so determined to sweep this under the rug. If you are so confident in the authenticity of BO's eligibility for the office, then you should support his active participation in the rectification of this matter and hope that he produces the adequate documentation.

Surely, Obama's mama never dreamed that her son would ever be in the position to be president, but isn't it ironic that all the circumstances that could possibly allow him to be here and now, claiming his birth is the most liberal states with regards to posting certification of birth, touting change and integrity, and yet is not willing to prove the caliber of his origin?

[Juan_Bottom]

Other than fact check... who has verified the authenticity of the document? I mean, seriously, a document posted on a website with a photoshop altered time stamp is hardly proof of a legitimate document.

It is if Obama says so!

but I think that selling out our moral obligation to adhere to the rules would be an even greater travesty.

Seconded!

Why is it that you blue folks seem so determined to sweep this under the rug. If you are so confident in the authenticity of BO's eligibility for the office, then you should support his active participation in the rectification of this matter and hope that he produces the adequate documentation.

I wonder about that too.

[Juan_Bottom]

NO I HAVE NOT CALLED TO SEE IF I CAN BE ALLOWED TO REVIEW THE BC. I would not know what the hell I was looking at anyway.

[DaGip]

Communists who wish to subvert government towards their one world socialist governmental ends = American

Libertarians who wish to protect the integrity of the law of the land via the Constitution of the United States = Hatters

What's wrong with this picture, people? How did Communist philosophy become mainstream thought in America? How did the valiant Libertarian end up turning into "a right wing conspiracy nut"?

[mpjh]

Been that way for a while now -- where you been?

[jonesthecurl]

first he died and was replaced by a clone, then he met an angel in the desert, then he flew off on a spaceship. he's been busy.

[Juan_Bottom]

Libertarians who wish to protect the integrity of the law of the land via the Constitution of the United States = Hatters

I'm with ya! But not a Libertarian! But with ya!

How did Communist philosophy become mainstream thought in America?

Short answer = MTV?
Long answer = Floride in the drinking water and a purposefully horrific education system? Oh and sex?
"It will be a great day in America when schools get all the funding that they need, and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber."

How did the valiant Libertarian end up turning into "a right wing conspiracy nut"?

Cause you're not a Demeplican?

[Snorri1234]

"It will be a great day in America when schools get all the funding that they need, and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber."

Word. I've always wondered how it would be if people had to make charity funds for military purposes and give the money normally paid by the taxpayer to something else.

[kentington]

"It will be a great day in America when schools get all the funding that they need, and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber."

Word. I've always wondered how it would be if people had to make charity funds for military purposes and give the money normally paid by the taxpayer to something else.

I would be upset with this. There are too many things I don't think our money should be paying for and this would increase the money going towards those items. I would rather the ability to choose where your tax money goes. I wonder where most of the taxes would end up that way or how it would change things.

[Juan_Bottom]

The plot doesn't thicken as the relevancy is vauge at best! >
'Natural-born' requirement called 'stupidest provision'

An associate lawyer in a Chicago-based firm whose partner served on a finance committee for then-Sen. Barack Obama has advocated for the elimination of the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born" citizen, calling the requirement "stupid" and asserting it discriminates, is outdated and undemocratic.
Barack Obama and Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga

The paper was written in 2006 by Sarah Herlihy, just two years after Obama had won a landslide election in Illinois to the U.S. Senate. Herlihy is listed as an associate at the Chicago firm of Kirkland & Ellis. A partner in the same firm, Bruce I. Ettelson, cites his membership on the finance committees for both Obama and Sen. Richard Durbin on the corporate website.

The article by Herlihy is available online under law review articles from Kent University.

This looks completly legit.

Treachery Inside The US Supreme Court
http://www.rense.com/general84/treach.htm

Indeed. These events involving Barack Hussein Obama and his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution to serve as president is historical and has never happened in our life time. Not only is the prostitute media ignoring this issue of paramount importance, now the supreme court justices are being manipulated. Outrageous doesn't even begin to cover such chicanery.

[mpjh]

"It will be a great day in America when schools get all the funding that they need, and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber."

Word. I've always wondered how it would be if people had to make charity funds for military purposes and give the money normally paid by the taxpayer to something else.

I would be upset with this. There are too many things I don't think our money should be paying for and this would increase the money going towards those items. I would rather the ability to choose where your tax money goes. I wonder where most of the taxes would end up that way or how it would change things.

There is an interesting experiment with this in the United Way funding. At one point in its history donors to the United Way complained about what organizations the money was going to. So the United Way set up a menu of organizations to which a donor could earmark for its donation. The change was that pretty much the same amount of money went to pretty much the same organizations, however the United Way experienced a significant increase in cost to accommodate the process.

Thus, I think we are better of voting for policy priorities and funding through legislation. This is a more efficient system.