New Community Guidelines [Feedback Thread]

[gimil]

and I hope the mods follow it up and listen to the advice.

Just don't get to carried away

[amazzony]

I haven't read through this thread because I could care less so if it has been mentioned already then sorry for the post. Just wanted to say that if you want people to read them then the guidelines thread should be somewhere where it can be found easily and noticed right away, not in the middle of announcements.

[gimil]

I haven't read through this thread because I could care less so if it has been mentioned already then sorry for the post. Just wanted to say that if you want people to read them then the guidelines thread should be somewhere where it can be found easily and noticed right away, not in the middle of announcements.

On the main forum board there is a clear link to them at the top and you can also find smaller links at the top of each individual forum when you enter them. DO you feel like there needs to be more? If so do you have any suggestions?

[amazzony]

I haven't read through this thread because I could care less so if it has been mentioned already then sorry for the post. Just wanted to say that if you want people to read them then the guidelines thread should be somewhere where it can be found easily and noticed right away, not in the middle of announcements.

On the main forum board there is a clear link to them at the top and you can also find smaller links at the top of each individual forum when you enter them. DO you feel like there needs to be more? If so do you have any suggestions?

Right, knew I have seen them somewhere, guess I'm just so used to them being there that ignored them today. But where you can see them in each individual forum, I just don't know. Aah, after looking closer I saw them but I think they are too well camouflaged in there because I can see right away the colorful moderators and after a closer look I notice the guidelines. Plus I think that they are not that useful in there because for example when I go to tournaments then I click on Create/Join or Ongoing right away and don't click first on Tournaments and then pick which sub forum I like.

[gimil]

I haven't read through this thread because I could care less so if it has been mentioned already then sorry for the post. Just wanted to say that if you want people to read them then the guidelines thread should be somewhere where it can be found easily and noticed right away, not in the middle of announcements.

On the main forum board there is a clear link to them at the top and you can also find smaller links at the top of each individual forum when you enter them. DO you feel like there needs to be more? If so do you have any suggestions?

Right, knew I have seen them somewhere, guess I'm just so used to them being there that ignored them today. But where you can see them in each individual forum, I just don't know. Aah, after looking closer I saw them but I think they are too well camouflaged in there because I can see right away the colorful moderators and after a closer look I notice the guidelines. Plus I think that they are not that useful in there because for example when I go to tournaments then I click on Create/Join or Ongoing right away and don't click first on Tournaments and then pick which sub forum I like.

I agree that they are well camouflaged on indiviudual forums, but I don't think this can be made any more prominent without hacking the php software. Something I know lack doesn't like doing because it makes updating the forum harder in the long run.

[PepperJack]

Don't ever post personal information of other users. Anywhere. Ever. Even if they already posted it somewhere else. This includes posting personal information about a CC user on another site, you will be held accountable here.

This part seems a shade too authoritarian for me. CC has its niche part of the internet where it sets the rules. The rest of the internet has it rules.

Its kinda like how people go out to international waters to have their monkey knife fights. Sure, its not legal where I'm from, but its legal where I did it.

Also, good luck moderating the internet.

[heavycola]

Bigotry takes into account historic events, emotional baggage and generally accepted associations with a term, phrase or intent - posting "White Power" in a thread has a history and is bigamous

you mean 'bigoted'. 'Bigamous' means you have two wives. And if that's illegal here, then you can kiss my freemium ass goodbye.

[Optimus Prime]

*sigh....*

Who had the brilliant idea to post this for "community feedback" before making it official? That decision has now left this entire revamp of the community guidelines in a position where it will now take until the end of next summer before anything is finalized.

I like you Night Strike, and I always will, but this was a mistake. The guidelines certainly need to be beefed up and clarified, but you just made it a whole hell of a lot harder.

Yeah Damn Night Strike, for actually asking of the opinion of the community you're supposed to be running. Optimus this was a good move, and I hope the mods follow it up and listen to the advice.

Yeah, Iliad, it was a great move, up until all of you start pissing and moaning about the fact that none of your suggestions were ever heeded. It's a lovely double-edged sword, isn't it?

[jbrettlip]

Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.
This includes content posted here and links to other sites. Posting NSFW - "Not Suitable For Work" - does not make it ok for posting.
If it is ambiguous, we'll ask you to remove it anyway, so "It's a guy's nipple" isn't going to fly. You're just trying to be annoying at that point.
Posting a painting from the 13th century with exposed nipples to claim that we're evil dictators when we ask you to remove it is also just being annoying, and you're probably just being a troll at that point.



I find this section a bit odd...How is "the longest thread (sometimes NSFW)" still open then? And I know there is a user that has a shirtless Tupac avatar. I see his nipples. i thought it was already determined that art would not be regulated or judged. 13th Century paintings used as avatars, do not define trolls. Maybe it is an art lover, or a museum curator.

As I said before, there needs to be a panel of users to weigh in on avatars and usernames.

I used to play on a site, that if they deemed your name to be offensive it was changed to something like Cupcake #1. When people are creating their ONLY account, a threat of this, might make some people think twice about what they do.

[heavycola]

Posting a painting from the 13th century with exposed nipples to claim that we're evil dictators when we ask you to remove it is also just being annoying, and you're probably just being a troll at that point.

Seriously people, all you do with these attempts to make your rules watertight and to prevent posters taking the piss is make them more determined to f*ck with you. "...nipples and areola..." whose idea was that?? i mean it's ridiculous AND hilarious all at once.

*sigh....*

Who had the brilliant idea to post this for "community feedback" before making
it official? That decision has now left this entire revamp of the
community guidelines in a position where it will now take until the end
of next summer before anything is finalized.

I like you Night Strike, and I always will, but this was a mistake. The guidelines
certainly need to be beefed up and clarified, but you just made it a
whole hell of a lot harder.

Yeah Damn Night Strike, for actually asking of the opinion of the community you're supposed to be running. Optimus this was a good move, and I hope the mods follow it up
and listen to the advice.

Yeah, Iliad, it was a great move,
up until all of you start pissing and moaning about the fact that none
of your suggestions were ever heeded. It's a lovely double-edged sword,
isn't it?

"all of you"...? Ah i see, it's a god complex. That explains it. 'Big fish in small pond' won't do it - try 'runty tadpoles in small puddle'

[Optimus Prime]

Posting a painting from the 13th century with exposed nipples to claim that we're evil dictators when we ask you to remove it is also just being annoying, and you're probably just being a troll at that point.

Seriously people, all you do with these attempts to make your rules watertight and to prevent posters taking the piss is make them more determined to f*ck with you. "...nipples and areola..." whose idea was that?? i mean it's ridiculous AND hilarious all at once.

*sigh....*

Who had the brilliant idea to post this for "community feedback" before making
it official? That decision has now left this entire revamp of the
community guidelines in a position where it will now take until the end
of next summer before anything is finalized.

I like you Night Strike, and I always will, but this was a mistake. The guidelines
certainly need to be beefed up and clarified, but you just made it a
whole hell of a lot harder.

Yeah Damn Night Strike, for actually asking of the opinion of the community you're supposed to be running. Optimus this was a good move, and I hope the mods follow it up
and listen to the advice.

Yeah, Iliad, it was a great move,
up until all of you start pissing and moaning about the fact that none
of your suggestions were ever heeded. It's a lovely double-edged sword,
isn't it?

"all of you"...? Ah i see, it's a god complex. That explains it. 'Big fish in small pond' won't do it - try 'runty tadpoles in small puddle'

You do realize you misquoted me, right?

[Night Strike]

On the nudity/pornography issue, KIDS USE THIS SITE. I'm aware that many of you do enjoy various forms of pornography, but this site does not have those 18 and under filters that can block nude pictures. It is illegal in most countries to provide pornography to minors, and the admin have made it VERY CLEAR in the past that it is not allowed in any form on this site. Trust me, every site does NOT need porn.


I've been asked by lack to clarify the purpose of this thread a bit. The Community Guidelines ARE in effect now. This thread is to iron out those parts of the guidelines that may be ambiguous. What has already been included in the guidelines will not be taken away. They were built from issues that we moderators see around the forums that should not be allowed. Many of you in the forum have made requests for months for the rules to be more specific and easier to follow without the appearance of subjectivity by any of the Team CC Members. This is what we designed.

[jayde]

The "we are right no matter what don't question us" is a bit over the top don't you think? I've seen it in several places, most notable in the chat section - "Moderator directions and/or decisions made are to be followed without question." In my limited time here, I've seen several times where chat mods were wrong or had their own agenda or acted like asses baiting, flaming, or spamming. If you have to repeatedly keep puffing out your chest to tell people that you're in charge, then it's painfully obvious that you're not. Respect can't be demanded, even by a set of guidelines.

[jbrettlip]

Not arguing FOR porn in any way shape or form. I am pointing out that your guidelines are not well written on that subject, and that if no nipples are allowed, any shirtless male athlete shoudl not be allowed either. Bruce Lee, Mike Tyson, every UFC guy......etc

Make it a no nudity policy. And actually enforce it.

[Night Strike]

The "we are right no matter what don't question us" is a bit over the top don't you think? I've seen it in several places, most notable in the chat section - "Moderator directions and/or decisions made are to be followed without question." In my limited time here, I've seen several times where chat mods were wrong or had their own agenda or acted like asses baiting, flaming, or spamming. If you have to repeatedly keep puffing out your chest to tell people that you're in charge, then it's painfully obvious that you're not. Respect can't be demanded, even by a set of guidelines.

It doesn't really matter if you respect the chat mods or not, the rules are the rules. Also, you conveniently left out the rest of that section where it says that if you have a problem with a moderator's decision, you are supposed to talk it over in a PM. Yes, mods do make mistakes (it would be stupid to deny that), but that does not mean someone needs to raise a ruckus in the public room just to point that out. Discussing it via PM is ALWAYS preferred (and more likely to have the mod hear your side of the case). Please don't pick and choose 1 phrase to argue if you aren't going to present the whole context.

Not arguing FOR porn in any way shape or form. I am pointing out that your guidelines are not well written on that subject, and that if no nipples are allowed, any shirtless male athlete shoudl not be allowed either. Bruce Lee, Mike Tyson, every UFC guy......etc

Make it a no nudity policy. And actually enforce it.

Believe it or not, mods don't read EVERY thread in the forums, so not everything gets noticed. I believe that pictures of shirtless male athletes would be allowed as long as the picture is clearly male (just look at the Male Hot & Sexy thread). Problems show up when people try to post nude art or nipples that are not clearly male. An admin will probably have the final say on this issue (so I could be mistaken), but do you have any suggestions to change the wording?

[nagerous]

Are you sure discussion via PM is "ALWAYS" preferred?

Last I heard, the mods were getting pretty irate, about people continuingly arguing their case via PM, and dismissed it as "PM spam".

[gimil]

Believe it or not, mods don't read EVERY thread in the forums, so not everything gets noticed.

This may be a bit of a tangent but it still relevent to rule enfocement. As night strike said, mods can't read every post in every thread. In order to make it easier to deal with very issue and enforce consistantly the mods need the community to report anything that they feel needs atttention or is out of line. Using the report a post button is the most helpful a member can be for a mod.

Now I am not a global mod, so I don't know how many reports come through. The community could be doing alot of reporting, they could not. I don't know. I just thought it was worth mentioning.

[gimil]

Are you sure discussion via PM is "ALWAYS" preferred?

Last I heard, the mods were getting pretty irate, about people continuingly arguing their case via PM, and dismissed it as "PM spam".

For me, PM discussion is ALWAYS prefered. Assuming you are willing to discuss an issue. If you are just looking for a fight then I am not intrested and don't want you in my inbox.

I find dealing with an issue via PM is much more civil and mature than having it out in the public forum. Its alot more 'you and me having a discussion' rather than 'im the mod and im going to make an example out of you in public'.

[InsomniaRed]

Are you sure discussion via PM is "ALWAYS" preferred?

Last I heard, the mods were getting pretty irate, about people continuingly arguing their case via PM, and dismissed it as "PM spam".

Well I know both jayde and NS are talking about Live Chat right now, and I'd much rather gets PMs(on Live Chat, but if someone wants to Forum PM me, I wouldn't mind either) to discuss issues one on one with the person rather than have them throw things out in Live Chat. Mostly people do it to provoke others to argue and fight or to have them also attack the mod/mods there at the time. So rather than being a public disturbance, yes PMs are preferred. I don't see how asking people to go to a PM to maturely discuss a problem as a huge request, but for some reason it rarely happens.

[lancehoch]

Are you sure discussion via PM is "ALWAYS" preferred?

Last I heard, the mods were getting pretty irate, about people continuingly arguing their case via PM, and dismissed it as "PM spam".

If someone PMs me trying to be obnoxious, I will respond once. If they continue to be annoying, I will read the PM, but it is not worth responding a second time. If someone is trying to have an actual conversation, I will respond to their PMs. Also, PMs are better (at least in a forum perspective) because they do not derail threads. I have had instances where I liked a comment by someone or I wanted to clarify something, and instead of centering the discussion on a moot point, I have sent a PM.

[timmytuttut88]

Well that's just great!

The mods decide to make a whole new community guildlines and they claim to be "doing it for the community". If you guys did it for the community, why can't you get a feedback thread to go 4 pages without turning it into "HEY WERE NOT TAKING ANYTHING DOWN ON THE GUILDLINES"! You might as well call this the "New community guildlines [MODS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT LOLOLOL]".

I still think the "If you disagree with Twill then leave" perspective is the most ridiculous. You're basically saying the admin is always right.

[wcaclimbing]

"Merry Christmas CC, here's a 5794-word list of rules for all of you to learn."

I agree with what many people have said about OT. I think it should have the rules loosened just a little bit, regarding "spam" and topics that have been deleted and locked in the past.
I don't really see whats wrong with having "right to bear arms" and "right to arm bears", as other people have mentioned. Its just a few fun threads. In a day or two, they will drop off the page with no harm done to the forums.

I'd be curious to see what would happen if all the mods left OT alone for a week. I doubt it would be as bad as some of you think it might. It might actually become more entertaining.

[jayde]

Are you sure discussion via PM is "ALWAYS" preferred?

Last I heard, the mods were getting pretty irate, about people continuingly arguing their case via PM, and dismissed it as "PM spam".

Well I know both jayde and NS are talking about Live Chat right now, and I'd much rather gets PMs(on Live Chat, but if someone wants to Forum PM me, I wouldn't mind either) to discuss issues one on one with the person rather than have them throw things out in Live Chat. Mostly people do it to provoke others to argue and fight or to have them also attack the mod/mods there at the time. So rather than being a public disturbance, yes PMs are preferred. I don't see how asking people to go to a PM to maturely discuss a problem as a huge request, but for some reason it rarely happens.

Well there's often more than one person involved in any given issue, and taking it private when it concerns numerous people and is already the main focus of chat isn't necessarily the best course of action. It's hard enough to keep up with one room, let alone two. The mods should initiate the private conversation if they want it so badly.

And Night Strike, you completely missed the entire point of my post (or knowingly failed to address it?) and narrow-mindedly focused on one example I gave (out of many I could've picked out), not the actual meaning of the post.

[Iliad]

*sigh....*

Who had the brilliant idea to post this for "community feedback" before making it official? That decision has now left this entire revamp of the community guidelines in a position where it will now take until the end of next summer before anything is finalized.

I like you Night Strike, and I always will, but this was a mistake. The guidelines certainly need to be beefed up and clarified, but you just made it a whole hell of a lot harder.

Yeah Damn Night Strike, for actually asking of the opinion of the community you're supposed to be running. Optimus this was a good move, and I hope the mods follow it up and listen to the advice.

Yeah, Iliad, it was a great move, up until all of you start pissing and moaning about the fact that none of your suggestions were ever heeded. It's a lovely double-edged sword, isn't it?

Actually I was suggesting that if you do ask us for our opinions, you do listen to them. So drop that tone, though doesn't really matter because you're not going to be listening to us, the community anyway. But at least you guys are perfect, you will never make mistakes or go on power trips and we all respect and like you.

Oh wait.

[Natewolfman]

Actually I was suggesting that if you do ask us for our opinions, you do listen to them. So drop that tone, though doesn't really matter because you're not going to be listening to us, the community anyway. But at least you guys are perfect, you will never make mistakes or go on power trips and we all respect and like you.

Oh wait.

that was a tad harsh iliad...