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Sigh, I'm sorry. I'm currently testing the theory that if i lose all my games, then win a whole bunch, i should get quite a high score. I currently dont have enough wins stored up in a row, so i have to drag out games. You're premium and have unlimited games, so I hope you dont mind as i intend to finish testing this.
this is the pm i got from him? there has to be something wrong about this.
FOrgive me for being dumb... but what is the benefit of points dumping?
You lose a tonne of points, and have to play less game to get those pooints back.... but ultimately you get back to an even keel.... seems kind of pointless...
I've been cleared of point dumping (look at my score). Unethical play, possibly, not against any current CC rule, which is why I'm cleared and unbanned.
The case was closed untill a discission had been reached. Apparently the call was to let coded off the hook. As he said, its not against CC rules, but I strongly suspect this wont last long. As coded said, it is unethical. In my view even CC disruptive, but he did play his games, therefor there is NO pointdumping.
One question to CODED. Are you warned to refrain from the lose first, stall wins tactic or not?
Jeff, what he does is 2fold. Basicly, if he wins a game over you, he wont kill you... He will wait till 100 other games af finished. Which can take a very long time. You like being stuck in a game with only one spot where someone refuses to kill you, cause its not conveniant?
Especially if you are a freemium. You should be able to request a Mod end the game for you at that point.
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his or her life wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
I have involved myself in a large amount of matches (still ongoing) concerning the instant matter: Games vs. coded. I entered into these matches when my rank was Captain and coded was Major. I entered into the same thinking that since our ranks were close and he was posting matches of boards “maps” I like to play and that playing a “bulk series” would be entertaining and challenging. I did receive correspondence from coded asking only if I mind if we play slowly and an unclear reference to the fact that he was experimenting with a large amount of games. To which I replied… “No, please take your time, I am happy to involve myself in matches where rank is closely matched". I entered into those matches in good faith believing they would be played out in linear order and was not part of what turned out to be an unethical point gaining scheme.
Because of the point gaining “sling-shot effect” that will result, I will likely lose a minimum 200 points that would not have been lost had those games been played in linear fashion as they were intended and in good faith entered into.
Although we strive to simulate a “battle” or “war” game, it could be argued that this was simply a “smart tactic”. I would however have to strongly disagree. Point dumping is what it is and the definition thereof is clear: Any act or action whereby a player deliberately dumps points. There can be no other definition or interpretation and I would proffer that the judgment should be based on this and this alone. If a legitimate argument can be brought-forth whereby it can be shown that “point dumping” did not occur, then no exact or instant offense has been committed; not-withstanding that the rule does exist that a player may be punished if he or she does anything to undermine the integrity of the site and game play leaving the question open “does malicious intent exist by this action?” In this case, point dumping did occur… i.e. the evidence is clear: the offending player dropped from Major to Private in a 24 hour period by dumping points NO MATTER the method or reason. Additionally, the very fact that the offending player deferred his wins may also be defined as point dumping.
As to retribution, I would respectfully request that since no precise precedent exists (though I am sure point dumping methods of other sorts have occurred) that all games and matches be RESET!
The options before you are:
1. To do nothing: And, if you “do nothing” copy-cats will soon adapt the same technique and in an unprecedented manner, undermine the entire CC community. 2. Give a warning: If you do, again, this would not deter copy-cats and the same technique and in an unprecedented manner, undermine the entire CC community. 3. Banishment of player as a “premium”: Too harsh a punishment in this event but a viable option that would set a proper precedent and likely deter copy-cats. 4. Reset all games and set a precedent that would likely deter copy-cats. 5. Suspend player for an appropriate period of time, and likely deter copy-cats. 6. Eliminate all "bulk games" entered into.
In my view, as an affected victim, resetting causes no harm to all who may have been victimized by this unethical play as his tactic would not work now that I, or any other victim have fore-warning. As to punitive measure, I would leave that to site authorities to judge. Resetting alone is not a punitive measure, it is a protective action.
I would therefore request that at the least a reset occur and measures be taken to assure that this does not occur again or spread.
Respectfully,
Gutshots
Last edited by Gutshots on Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
The only problem Gut is he wasn't intentionally loosing the games. When he realized he was gonna win a game he just prolonged the game till he finished the games he knew he was gonna loose.
That's not dumping. That's just being unethical.
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his or her life wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
I agree that my postulate that the practice of deferring wins and expediting loses is “point dumping” is argumentative. The “intentional” acceleration of lost games prior to the offsetting of collecting wins in a “bulk manner” is, in my opinion a deliberate and malicious dumping of points: when you take only loses, you “dump points” with the intent of lowering your rank. It is that “intent to lower rank” by dumping points that does, in my opinion, constitute blatant “point dumping”.
I have merged this newest thread into the previous thread. I will be checking with the admin to find out what the official ruling on this was and I will post here, hopefully within the day. I will also be posting the official ruling in the other thread regarding the people who joined the games set up by coded. Sorry for the delay, but I want to have the official ruling before I proceed.
... or.. lets have them Blow this,,,,,, joint
it just wont happen mate
