Is there a God?

[luns101]

This is what you are teached in junior high in Sweden, and if you read some scientific related papers they may talk about things like this. I can't believe this kind of information is questioned in the U.S, 90% of the people in Sweden would agree with this statement instantly
But the U.S has a lot of ground to make up on this area, I just hope that in some time in the future, the American goverment will take action to tell people how the world really is created, and get people of the thoughts of dependency of a supernatural force!

Yes! Yes! Finally someone besides thoose people who doesn't want us to no the truth is speaking out! We have been teached things like that. For years, wee wur belief that there is a God. I live in America, where people who doesn't have the right to speak Spanish freely have been under the domination of sexism and oppression from Bush. We erected Barack Obama who will end all of that with triple XXXecutive rated orders.

But what about people who doesn't want to wait for hundreds of years for our DNA to change? How can we be free from the racist peoples here who try to start religion hospitals? They also force poor peoples who are starving to eat foods.

[MeDeFe]

Speaking of your self as a third person is the biggest sign of megalomania!

It also ensures that the applicants do something on their own to get in. Telling you to send me a pm in a more straightforward way would have been somewhat odd.

[PLAYER57832]

While I agree many of these things are happening and have happened for some time, they are ever increasing. And as for the end, if you read Bible prophecies for the end times, it reads like a road map for what has been happening around the world and we are getting close to the end. In fact, most Bible scholars believe that we are within a generation of the second coming of Jesus. Some believe that it might be as soon as the next 10 years. It is hard to get an exact date because the Bible speaks in terms of signs and not dates, but the signs are there all pointing to a coming to an end in which everyone will stand before God.

Correction, most fundamentalist Christian scholars believe this. MOST Christian scholars believe that no one knows the time, the day or the hour of Christ's coming.

And.... there have been scholars making prophesies of the end times since shortly after Christ rose.

[jnd94]

There is a simple reason to why people believe in god, And thoose who doesn't understand that are either retards or just not trying hard enough. It's because we have a primitive need for it. Beleive in gods used to be important when we lived as hunters and gatherers. We needed to have something to hold on to when our lives looked tough. We will still have this need for thousands of years to come though! Because until our dna change, we wont change!
A lot of people today don't need religion! And it's not a coincident that thoose people more often than not live in the rich parts of the world. For the first time in human history, non-believe (atheism) is the greates single life stance people have. That to me says that we have it better today then we ever had before. No suffering, No desire, No religion. They go hand in hand! If anything should be said to try to convince religious people to why they are wrong (if you would like take that conversation with them (I wouldn't)) the best argument would probably be: Everywhere in the world there are different religions, how would you know wich is right? However you bend it you can't help to come to the conclusion that the wast majority of all religious people beleive in something that is only in there heads!

Thanks for reading, use this information wisely!

NO UR TEH WEETARD!~!!!!ONE!!!

[PLAYER57832]

Stämmer det förresten att en fjärdedel av alla svenskar är ateister?

Unfortunately, I have no idea what was said here

I believe it is roughly say you first that a ??? (probably a majority???) of all Swedes are atheists.

No it doesn't! 75% is paying taxes to the church, but we pay taxes for everything here! And it's not comparable to how many who actually are religious, nor goes to church, Only old people goes to church in Sweden, haven't met one single person under 40 who goes to church on a regular basis! About 90% of swedens population is ateists.

I find this HIGHLY unlike since I know someone from Sweden, besides you.

I believe that is the percentage of people who don't actively attend or belong to a church ... but then, I believe Swedes still get religious education in school???

This may sound impossible but it's actually true. 1 not to big town in Sweden received alone as many refugees from the middleast, as the entire U.S. The U.S is known for it's multiculture! but refugees from the middleast is not something it's good at receiving.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you trying to say that your town is not good at receiving the Muslim refugees that are coming from the middle east?

I believe you misread what he wrote.

He says that his small town received more refugees from the Middle East than the entire US. I do find it hard to believe. However, it is absolutely true that Bush's heavy requirements for "security" mean that hundreds and thousands of Iraquis who risked their lives to help American soldiers over and over have been essentially thrown to the wolves. Most of the applications have not even been viewed by those of concern yet. They and their families are at risk, but the US insists that they are not cleared to come here, despite promises to the contrary. (Vietnahm orphans anyone?)

[PLAYER57832]

There is a simple reason to why people believe in god, And thoose who doesn't understand that are either retards or just not trying hard enough. It's because we have a primitive need for it. Beleive in gods used to be important when we lived as hunters and gatherers. We needed to have something to hold on to when our lives looked tough. We will still have this need for thousands of years to come though! Because until our dna change, we wont change!

we evolved to need food, shelter, love, societies ... I guess we can do away with those, too?

After all, they are just primitive ideas.

[Juan_Bottom]

we evolved to need food, shelter, love, societies ... I guess we can do away with those, too?

After all, they are just primitive ideas.

We here in the west are helping several peoples to do just that.

I do find it hard to believe.

I've heard it before, but I don't have any sources or anything.

However, it is absolutely true that Bush's heavy requirements for "security" mean that hundreds and thousands of Iraquis who risked their lives to help American soldiers over and over have been essentially thrown to the wolves. Most of the applications have not even been viewed by those of concern yet. They and their families are at risk, but the US insists that they are not cleared to come here, despite promises to the contrary. (Vietnahm orphans anyone?)

I hate us sometimes.

NO UR TEH WEETARD!~!!!!ONE!!!

Yes! Yes! Finally someone besides thoose people who doesn't want us to no the truth is speaking out!

Come on guys, he/she's from Sweden. Let's give him/her the benifit of a slightly butchered English. At least we can understand what he/she's saying. Plus he/she get's to practice their English this way. !!!!

But what about people who doesn't want to wait for hundreds of years for our DNA to change? How can we be free from the racist peoples here who try to start religion hospitals? They also force poor peoples who are starving to eat foods.

You're making no sense doesn't make sense but yes, I did laugh.

Speaking of your self as a third person is the biggest sign of megalomania!

It also ensures that the applicants do something on their own to get in. Telling you to send me a pm in a more straightforward way would have been somewhat odd.

Yup. I thought it was funny, but I see what you did there.

If you mean 70 AD, I believe you are still out of date. If you mean the 1970's.... you are still way off. The Gnostic sect was extremely popular in the early AD years. It almost eclipsed what we now think of as orthodox Christianity (not Greek Orthodox, but GO, Roman Catholics and Protestants all.

The ideas periodically resurface in various forms. Parts of it, I believe, are even in the Koran (but I am not 100% positive... there is a story of the boy Christ pushing a friend off a roof and then bringing him back to life in the Koran, I believe ... or at least it is part of the Muslim tradition). The Davincci Code is only one of the latest encarnations.

I was under the impression that modern Scholors dissmissed the idea of Christ being married at all, because of lack of evidence. And that it wasn't until the 70s that someone put together a reasonable timeline. Hmm...
I can even remember now reading about how they found someone in (1980?) in France who they believed could have been a descendant of Jesus. But that person died without answering some important questions.

[Gillipig]

While I agree many of these things are happening and have happened for some time, they are ever increasing. And as for the end, if you read Bible prophecies for the end times, it reads like a road map for what has been happening around the world and we are getting close to the end. In fact, most Bible scholars believe that we are within a generation of the second coming of Jesus. Some believe that it might be as soon as the next 10 years. It is hard to get an exact date because the Bible speaks in terms of signs and not dates, but the signs are there all pointing to a coming to an end in which everyone will stand before God.

I did not wrote that, the opposite maybe but definetely not that!

[Gillipig]

I believe that is the percentage of people who don't actively attend or belong to a church ... but then, I believe Swedes still get religious education in school???

If you by "Religious teaching" mean that we get to know wich the biggest religions are and where people who practice it is your right, and If you ment that they go through the Creation myth your'll also right, even though it's done by relating to religion like some old thing people once believed in, but if you ment that they in a serious way give religion as high status as science! you're way off!

He says that his small town received more refugees from the Middle East than the entire US. I do find it hard to believe.

There was this big thing about it, the towns officials spoked to a lot of different american cities spokesmen to help them get better at receiving refugees. So it's not anything I just made up! And I never said I lived in that town!

[Gillipig]

This is what you are teached in junior high in Sweden, and if you read some scientific related papers they may talk about things like this. I can't believe this kind of information is questioned in the U.S, 90% of the people in Sweden would agree with this statement instantly
But the U.S has a lot of ground to make up on this area, I just hope that in some time in the future, the American goverment will take action to tell people how the world really is created, and get people of the thoughts of dependency of a supernatural force!

Yes! Yes! Finally someone besides thoose people who doesn't want us to no the truth is speaking out! We have been teached things like that. For years, wee wur belief that there is a God. I live in America, where people who doesn't have the right to speak Spanish freely have been under the domination of sexism and oppression from Bush. We erected Barack Obama who will end all of that with triple XXXecutive rated orders.

But what about people who doesn't want to wait for hundreds of years for our DNA to change? How can we be free from the racist peoples here who try to start religion hospitals? They also force poor peoples who are starving to eat foods.

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

[john9blue]

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

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I feel like doing a write-up. Be back in a bit.

[CrazyAnglican]

..... people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!

Oh yes atheism most certainly can be used in the same way theism can in this regard. Perhaps not atheism any more than theism as they are just assumptions about the nature of the Universe, but doctrines based out of both assumptions are most assuredly used power. Marxism (of which atheism is a necessary part) and Junche (likewise atheistic in nature) have been used very adeptly to keep the populace in line and to eliminate potential rivals.

As an example stated elsewhere:

The North Korean government has an ideology known as Juche which at it's basis is atheistic (unless one wants to make the argument that Kim Jung Il is somehow a god). The people of that country are suffering at the hands of their own government right now. While I knew, in general terms, that the situation in North Korea was bad I unfortunately fell into that hope that it was probably not as bad as I'd heard. Everything that I can find about this government tells how horrible the policies of this government are.

Some info to back up the assertion:

Soon Ok Lee, once a senior cadre of the ruling Communist Party, testified that while she was in the Kaechon political prison camp, she observed the atrocious execution of five or six elderly Christians who refused to give up their belief in Christ.

Their slaughter occurred at a cast-iron factory that was part of the prison compound. The Christians were lined up and told to renounce their faith and accept instead the North Korean ideology of Juche (self-reliance).

Kim Jung Il is exactly the kind of leader that you claim cannot exist because atheism cannot be used in that manner. People can and do follow leaders who do not claim to be speaking for any god.

Actually, when looked at side by side Churches look really good in term of humanitarian aid given. Those who seek power nowadays, tend to do so through political rather than religous roles.

[MeDeFe]

Hey! Don't make the mods merge the threads!

[CrazyAnglican]

I was merely responding to a charge that doesn't hold water. People, both atheists and theists alike, are vulnerable to being manipulated by unscrupulous leaders using dogma that's based on theology or on aetheistic philosophies. Looking at the last hundred years or so, it's the theists that are making headway toward being more peaceful in this area.

[luns101]

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

I agree!

The other day I was walking down the street and saw someone sneeze. Another person said "God bless you". It was very offensive to everyone who was standing close by. In our country, sidewalks and streets are paid for by public taxpayers. It violates our right to be free from primitive religion to say such things.

I have seen these people who use religion as an excuse for violence. In America, they get together on Sundays to meet in religious places. After those meetings, they all go to the buffets and restaurants and hog the salad bar area. Nobody else can even get to the Italian dressing.

I am not sure how you are able to deal with it all in Sweden, but in America many people have Bibles. It is very scary!

Also, do not listen to CrazyAnglican or OnlyAmbrose. They both have Bibles. Their DNA is primitive and not ready to accept the truth that we no longer need stories. I hope to learn more from you.

[Iliad]

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

I agree!

The other day I was walking down the street and saw someone sneeze. Another person said "God bless you". It was very offensive to everyone who was standing close by. In our country, sidewalks and streets are paid for by public taxpayers. It violates our right to be free from primitive religion to say such things.

I have seen these people who use religion as an excuse for violence. In America, they get together on Sundays to meet in religious places. After those meetings, they all go to the buffets and restaurants and hog the salad bar area. Nobody else can even get to the Italian dressing.

I am not sure how you are able to deal with it all in Sweden, but in America many people have Bibles. It is very scary!

Also, do not listen to CrazyAnglican or OnlyAmbrose. They both have Bibles. Their DNA is primitive and not ready to accept the truth that we no longer need stories. I hope to learn more from you.

And I thought we atheists were disallowed from your special forum because we used sarcasm.

Something about being disrespective to the other members of the forum and how people didn't deserve that. I think you were one of the fiercest supporters of that. Funny how hypocrisy works out.

[Snorri1234]

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

I agree!

The other day I was walking down the street and saw someone sneeze. Another person said "God bless you". It was very offensive to everyone who was standing close by. In our country, sidewalks and streets are paid for by public taxpayers. It violates our right to be free from primitive religion to say such things.

I have seen these people who use religion as an excuse for violence. In America, they get together on Sundays to meet in religious places. After those meetings, they all go to the buffets and restaurants and hog the salad bar area. Nobody else can even get to the Italian dressing.

I am not sure how you are able to deal with it all in Sweden, but in America many people have Bibles. It is very scary!

Also, do not listen to CrazyAnglican or OnlyAmbrose. They both have Bibles. Their DNA is primitive and not ready to accept the truth that we no longer need stories. I hope to learn more from you.

And I thought we atheists were disallowed from your special forum because we used sarcasm.

Something about being disrespective to the other members of the forum and how people didn't deserve that. I think you were one of the fiercest supporters of that. Funny how hypocrisy works out.

Nono iliad, you were disallowed because you were too logical.

I was barred because I couldn't even last a day without resorting to flames, let alone a month.

[MeDeFe]

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

I agree!

The other day I was walking down the street and saw someone sneeze. Another person said "God bless you". It was very offensive to everyone who was standing close by. In our country, sidewalks and streets are paid for by public taxpayers. It violates our right to be free from primitive religion to say such things.

I have seen these people who use religion as an excuse for violence. In America, they get together on Sundays to meet in religious places. After those meetings, they all go to the buffets and restaurants and hog the salad bar area. Nobody else can even get to the Italian dressing.

I am not sure how you are able to deal with it all in Sweden, but in America many people have Bibles. It is very scary!

Also, do not listen to CrazyAnglican or OnlyAmbrose. They both have Bibles. Their DNA is primitive and not ready to accept the truth that we no longer need stories. I hope to learn more from you.

And I thought we atheists were disallowed from your special forum because we used sarcasm.

Something about being disrespective to the other members of the forum and how people didn't deserve that. I think you were one of the fiercest supporters of that. Funny how hypocrisy works out.

The roof's already on fire here, it still had to be lit at "the other place".

[Iliad]

First of all I like to say that it's nice to conversate with someone who too are enlighted by truth like myself, we will face some bad times in the future! And we need to stay rational, and objective, not hope for some miraculous saving in the last seconds by god. Racial people aren't supported by the words of the bible, but the bible attracts people who wants power, and thoose people often use religion as an excuse for violence, and war, and to segregate people in to races so that they unify "their" people to one identity, white, black etc. Try to missuse Atheism in a similar way! you can't!
Religion itself doesn't support segregetion but people with power does, and they seek religion not for comfort, but for power over their fellow countriesmen!

I agree!

The other day I was walking down the street and saw someone sneeze. Another person said "God bless you". It was very offensive to everyone who was standing close by. In our country, sidewalks and streets are paid for by public taxpayers. It violates our right to be free from primitive religion to say such things.

I have seen these people who use religion as an excuse for violence. In America, they get together on Sundays to meet in religious places. After those meetings, they all go to the buffets and restaurants and hog the salad bar area. Nobody else can even get to the Italian dressing.

I am not sure how you are able to deal with it all in Sweden, but in America many people have Bibles. It is very scary!

Also, do not listen to CrazyAnglican or OnlyAmbrose. They both have Bibles. Their DNA is primitive and not ready to accept the truth that we no longer need stories. I hope to learn more from you.

And I thought we atheists were disallowed from your special forum because we used sarcasm.

Something about being disrespective to the other members of the forum and how people didn't deserve that. I think you were one of the fiercest supporters of that. Funny how hypocrisy works out.

Nono iliad, you were disallowed because you were too logical.

I was barred because I couldn't even last a day without resorting to flames, let alone a month.

That's right, it was luns himself who specifically had something against me. Apparently we had an argument about bias in media and I just kept disagreeing with him! I mean, the nerve!

[luns101]

Do not worry, Gillipig. I am your friend. Other people exclaim bitterness because of the past. I am open to having DNA change for a better future of non-belief. Everyone can be equal...even the endangered polar bears. Do not give up posting and ignore angry people here.

[Snorri1234]

Do not worry, Gillipig. I am your friend. Other people exclaim bitterness because of the past. I am open to having DNA change for a better future of non-belief. Everyone can be equal...even the endangered polar bears. Do not give up posting and ignore angry people here.

Also, completely ignore luns.

[CrazyAnglican]

Ignore luns? He's one of the funniest guys here.

Except for the part about ignoring me.

[john9blue]

This is really interesting. When an ignorant believer starts a topic, it's the atheists who respond with sarcasm, and the theists who try to respond seriously. But when an ignorant atheist starts a topic, it's the other way around.



"Are we so different, you and I?".

[Gillipig]

I am not sure how you are able to deal with it all in Sweden, but in America many people have Bibles. It is very scary!

It's all right in Sweden, you get a dunce cap put on your head there if you try to convince people that there is a god!

Also, do not listen to CrazyAnglican or OnlyAmbrose. They both have Bibles. Their DNA is primitive and not ready to accept the truth that we no longer need stories. I hope to learn more from you.

I'll give you the truth! but so can a lot of other people, Atheism is not like religion where there are priests, and popes.

I'm sure they have bibles, to many have got that book! The bible used to be the most publiced written item, but know another book has emerged, the IKEA catalog hahaha, it's nice that the most publiced written item is a swedish one.

[Gillipig]

Do not worry, Gillipig. I am your friend. Other people exclaim bitterness because of the past. I am open to having DNA change for a better future of non-belief. Everyone can be equal...even the endangered polar bears. Do not give up posting and ignore angry people here.

Hah It takes more than a couple of fanatical believers to silence me, in real life I'm known for my likeability to say whatever I want, wherever I want and no mather who hears me. If I'm not replying, it's more likely that I'm sleeping, (Sweden lies 7-11 hours before the U.S in time), or that I'm doing something else that requires my attention. Me being silenced by believers without a single serious theory have never happened! and will never happened!

The problem now is that I haven't received one serious counter post that makes me actually have to explain the truth with something to argue against! All you believers, give me your best shot, give me something that you think I cant make a good reply on, instead of just being childish!