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No, we don't have capital punishment, we just lock people up forever. The blame game is already being played. Police suspect a serial arsonist, criminologists suspect multiple arsonists, the State Govt says we weren't prepared enough, others say we shouldn't have the "Hold and Defend" policy for property when fighting fires, some idiot MP has said we should chop down National Parks to prevent this sort of thing.

Police are releasing an image of a suspect today. I should hope they get it right, because I think if anyone sees the guy, he'll strangely disappear and never be found...
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Statewide fire situation summary - Victoria - State Forests
Information last updated:10/02/2009 12:42:08 PM
This season there have been 572 fires attended by the Department, 152 of these are yet to be declared safe.
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All those fires are terrible, and the thing about the flooding and the crocodile was sad too.


I send you our condolences and wish you all good luck on behalf of the state of Delaware.
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Not to be facetious, but that is a great picture. Too bad some of the awe of nature has to come at the expense of innocent people. Stay safe down there.
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Fires now among world's worst

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Blazes across Victoria as bushfire disaster toll rises

At least 181 people are dead and residents are bracing for further threats as fire crews scramble to contain Australia's worst- ever disaster.

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181 dead - 750 homes destroyed - 330,000ha burnt out to date tonight with over 150 fires burning in our forests

the infamous October 2007 California wildfires by comparsion destroyed 1500 homes and burnt out more than 200,000ha and nine lives lost


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My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
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deliaselene wrote:the infamous October 2007 California wildfires by comparsion destroyed 1500 homes and burnt out more than 200,000ha and nine lives loss
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To compare more fully to the US:
The worst incident I know of in recent US history involved 60 federal employees who had to deploy their fire shelters. Though I have not done a complete search, the only real US comparison is a fire in the great plains before the turn of the century where over 100 are said to have perished. CA now measures impact more in dollars than lives lost, though even 1 life is far too many.

Before the criticism starts rolling in, CA does have a very good fire prevention and education program, strict building codes (vegetation removal house roofing types dictated, etc.) BUT, terrain and fuel type (forest, etc.) and plain old luck also have a lot to do with it. Eucalyptus burns like oil, I am told and burns for much longer periods than pines, as a rule. Also, the relatively flat terrain meant no or few natural barriors. (based on the pictures and maps of topography ... and note, I am not saying flat, I am saying relatively flat) NO ONE can possible escape faster than a fast moving wildfire. Also, apparently these fires came from many directions and sometimes plain trapped people. That said, California (many places in the US) could experience a fire like this. We only hope not! (yes, I am in PA now, but I was born and raised in CA, worked in the forests for years).

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my heart goes out to all of Australia during this terrible time...i hope no more people are lost & the fires get put out quickly...& to all the Aussie CC players, i hope you & your families stay safe...& my condolences & best wishes to all the people of Australia...
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confirmed 181 dead.... 400,000ha destroyed... 1,033 houses lost



Victorians have been warned the death toll from the weekend's bushfire disaster could top 300 as firefighters struggle tonight to prevent two major fire fronts from merging together. (100 dead from one small town it is feared)

The toll from Australia's worst natural disaster stands at 181 but Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon today warned it could rise significantly as authorities accessed fire-ravaged areas.

Fire crews are now scrambling to keep separate two major fire fronts in the state's east after lightning sparked several smaller blazes between them.

Only 18 kilometres separated the fires and crews would be up against high temperatures and gusty winds predicted over the next week.

Police are investigating claims of arson and looting as strong southerly winds continue to fuel 25 blazes in Victoria.

Authorities warn it could be more than a week before the fires are brought under control.



Victorian Premier John Brumby said words escaped him when describing people who deliberately light fires.

He said there was little doubt that arsonists were responsible for several overnight fires near the township of Stanley, not far from the Beechworth blaze in the state's north.

The small fires were quickly extinguished and it's believed police have a description of a car used by the suspects.
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I heard something today that it's the worst bushfire (in terms of human deaths) in history. Worldwide.
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Wow, my condolences and well wishes to the Australians.

What could be the motives behind this kind of arson? :?
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Just a few of the many obliterated houses...

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Endangered Cattle...

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There was some really good pictures of the towns before (using Google Street View) and after (normal photos) on tv, but i can't seem to find them online. The devastation was incredible. Whole towns simply flattened and vegetation destroyed. I just hope the death toll doesn't continue its rise.
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Wind change raises inferno alarm

TWO bushfires burning out of control in Victoria's north and east are at risk of merging to create a 500,000-hectare inferno because of a forecast wind change, authorities warn.

Emergency service chiefs say a warm northerly predicted for Saturday could push a massive uncontained fire which spans from Yea to Kinglake towards one still raging in the Bunyip State Park.

Just 18 kilometres separated the two blazes yesterday, with the towns of Yarra Junction, Warburton, Healesville, Launching Place and Powelltown in between.

Country Fire Authority deputy chief fire officer Steve Warrington said while calm weather was aiding the fight against bushfires, lightning strikes had started spot fires in the 18-kilometre buffer zone.

"The emergency services are working together to make sure that our number one priority is the protection of lives in these communities," Mr Warrington said.

All available bulldozers and fire aircraft have been deployed to carve out a 100-kilometre containment line along the southern border of the Kinglake complex ahead of the forecast wind change.
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From 'God's garden' to wasteland of death ...MARYSVILLE

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MARYSVILLE does not exist any more. The historic mountain village, remembered lovingly by one resident as "God's own garden", is now a wasteland of ash and death.

Four days after Saturday's firestorm, bodies still lie in the street and just a handful of buildings are left standing.
'Marysville doesn't exist anymore'

CFA firefighter John Munday: 'It wasn't for lack of trying, it wasn't for lack of courage, we could do nothing - Marysville doesn't exist anymore.'

As forensic police scour the ruins for bodies and clues, the scale of the disaster is becoming more apparent.

"I've seen the inside of hell," said local bed-and-breakfast owner Ian Pearson.

He left the annihilated township on Tuesday, having lingered for two days in one of the surviving buildings.

"It's just flat ash. It's like it was never there," Mr Pearson said yesterday. "If you've seen pictures of Hiroshima, that's what it's like. The pictures you're seeing in the paper (of other towns), that's not representative — it's worse."

Fifteen people are officially confirmed dead in Marysville. The final toll may not be known for weeks but it is certain to be much higher. The latest estimates put the toll in the town at anywhere between 50 and 100 — or up to one in five who lived there.

"Marysville doesn't exist any more, Marysville is gone," Mr Pearson said.

The town, 96 kilometres north-east of Melbourne, is still shut off, even to those who once lived there.

The forensic police, clad in white, are moving carefully through ash-filled streets, looking for bodies and identifying those found — in homes, in cars, in the street. Some were cut down by the fire as they made their final hopeless, frantic, attempts to flee.

In some cases the forensic teams are unable to tell if one, two or three bodies lie in a particular spot, such is the devastation. Large guesthouses may yield several bodies each.

Police fear the worst; two refrigerated trucks have been brought to Marysville.

Days after the blaze, residents still don't know the fate of family and friends. But memories of Saturday are vivid.

Mr Pearson had precious little warning before having to defend his Darwin Street home and B&B, Delderfield.

He was putting out spot fires with a mop head when the sky went black and a "dirty big gum tree" crashed down, injuring his hand. "I didn't know what hit me because I didn't hear it. There was a 727 busy landing on top of me.

"I got back inside because I knew that was the fire front coming. The noise is just absolutely horrendous. You cannot believe how loud this forefront of wind is; it's just like a 727 landing in your living room.

"It's dark and then it all started to go light because it's just burning orange. It's just bright orange lights everywhere," Mr Pearson said.

For 45 minutes his home was surrounded by leaping flames. Exploding gas bottles sent orange plumes into the sky and shook the ground while he worked to stay alive without power or water.

"It was just appalling mayhem," he said. "Everything was burning all around me. I thought I was stupid to have even stayed but I thought 'I worked hard to build this home and property, I'm going to work hard to keep it'. Now I'm thinking, 'I don't know if that was wise' but I'm here, I'm alive."

Max and Val Cockerell also saved their home and stayed behind in Marysville. On Sunday Mr Cockerell and Mr Pearson surveyed what was left of their town.

"It's just absolutely, unbelievably spooky and scary because there's nothing left," Mr Pearson said. "It's just deathly silent and it's still smoking."

For two days, Mr Pearson's wife Jaqui didn't know if he was alive or dead. On Tuesday they were reunited and "had a hug that lasted a couple of hours".

John Munday, a 20-year firefighter and a CFA lieutenant at Acheron, north of Marysville, sheltered helplessly with his crew as the famous town burned. "If we'd had 500 Elvises and 1000 tankers there it would not have made any difference, it was that extreme." On Saturday afternoon he and his crew were driving to help fight the Wandong blaze when they got the call that fire had broken out at the old Murrindindi mill.

The fire had started on private property, but close to bushland, and was running hard over ranges towards the south-east. It was expected to threaten Narbethong in hours. It reached that tiny hamlet in minutes.

Mr Munday's crew drove south from Alexandra. "We got to Buxton, and it was a shocking sight down towards Marysville — a boiling mess, black, brown, purple boiling inferno above the area where we knew Marysville was."

They reached Marysville just ahead of the fire front, which was being swung around by a changing wind, now pushing the flames from the south.

"I don't think that I could find words to describe it: the incredible power of the wind, and the sky — it was black — and the air was just full of burning embers and rocks," Mr Munday said.

The plan to defend Marysville was abandoned and, as the fire worsened, the priority became to save the crew.

Slowly they made their way to the only safe area in town, Gallipoli Park oval.

Many residents had gathered there already. Cars were strewn about, one crushed by a fallen tree, another alight and abandoned in panic. The pavilion was on fire.

"We… went into our emergency entrapment procedures, which is we all get in the back, and we huddle down, pull our full equipment on and blankets, and just try to bunker down and try to get through it. The heat and the wind and the ferocity of the fire were indescribable. All around us, the whole town, within a matter of seconds it seems, the whole town was just engulfed."

Allawah Country Cottages owner Jenny Pullen lost her bed-and-breakfast business and home. Her son and daughter lost their homes too.

As the danger grew on Saturday, she took her 81-year-old mother to Alexandra. She and her husband Graeme then tried to return to Marysville to protect their property. They came to a roadblock, where the policeman said they'd have a 50 per cent chance of coming out alive if they proceeded.

"We still kept going until we saw the red ball coming towards us," Mrs Pullen said. "Then we turned around and thought 'Our lives are worth far more than this'."

Like other Marysville survivors, Mrs Pullen is staying in Alexandra and is not allowed back to see what has happened to the place she knew as "God's own garden". She shares information with others about who has survived and who has died.

"We've got so many close friends that we're never going to see again," she said. "I knew a fire would come to Marysville some time but never, ever did I think there would be the mass destruction that's there. There's no Marysville," she said.

Mr Munday feels a sense of helplessness that he wasn't able to stop the nation's worst firestorm. "I just want people to know that it wasn't from lack of trying, it wasn't from lack of courage. It was a mountain too high to climb. We could do nothing, and it's a horrible, horrible, horrible feeling."
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PLAYER57832 wrote:The worst incident I know of in recent US history involved 60 federal employees who had to deploy their fire shelters.

I think I saw that on tv. One of the guys said, "in my mind, if you have to deploy your shelter you are already dead." And then all these guys standing around him all started nodding in agreement. Scary stuff.



Thanks to Deli for keeping us informed! stay safe Delia. I had to look up how many kilometers are in a mile, but that was too close.
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Healesville warned about fire threat

An urgent threat message has been issued to residents of Healesville, northeast of Melbourne, as fire activity in the area has increased.

Fire authorities have warned residents that they may be hit directly by embers from a fire burning from the northwest in the Donnellys Weir area.

Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) spokesman Stuart Ord said the Healesville fire was part of the Maroondah Yarra Complex fire and was about three kilometres from the main township.

"It's part of a fire we have known about for some time. The fire's been backing down a gully, it's obviously either reached some dry fuels or, in fact, in a gully, sometimes in a gully we have erratic winds," Mr Ord said.

He warned residents may experience smoke and burning embers reaching their properties and should patrol their houses to find and put out any burning embers that may land.

Across Victoria 21 bushfires continue to burn, as firefighters took advantage of cooler conditions to backburn, fortify control lines and black out areas they had not previously been able to reach.

But the race is on to get on top of the fires before expected extreme temperatures and hot northerly winds by Wednesday and possibly of lightning strikes on Monday that could start new fires ahead of Wednesday's blast of heat.
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I was living in Perth when there were some bush fires, which i thought was crazy enough, but last Saturday is a completely different ball game.

I'm now living back in Queenstown, NZ (2289 kilometers or 1422 miles away) and on Saturday we had an erie light here, the smoke etc had blocked out the normal sky, the colour produced was more like what i'd expect on Mars.

If that much was noticeable from this far away, i doubt i'd ever be able to imagine what it must have been like for those on the front lines.

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Man on arson death charge

A WEEK after Australia's worst peacetime disaster, police have arrested a suspected arsonist and pinpointed "ground zero" - the spot where someone lit the blaze that killed around 100 people at Marysville.

The first breakthrough in the huge investigation was made public yesterday when a 39-year-old Latrobe Valley man was charged with intention-ally lighting the Churchill bushfire that killed up to 21people.

Angry onlookers beat on the door of a prison van outside the Morwell court as the accused, whose identity was suppressed by court order, was taken to Melbourne.

He has been charged with arson causing death and deliberately lighting a bushfire. Both counts relate to fires started at Churchill on last Saturday. The man was also charged with possessing child pornography.

Police sources revealed last night that he had been under surveillance for days and had been arrested quietly on Thursday before neighbours suspected he was a target.

"They want to hang him," a Gippsland policeman said.

Police and prison officials decided to move the man to Melbourne for his own safety. He was in protective custody last night and will appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Monday.
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If the arson weren't enough, the child porn will ensure this guy won't survive long outside of solitary... at least if Australian prisoners are anything like those in the U.S.
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Six main fires are still burning uncontrolled, including blazes at Kinglake, Yea-Murrindindi, Maroondah-Yarra, Bunyip, Churchill and Beechworth-Murmungee.

Fire authorities have said blazes around Mount Riddell and Mount Juliet, east of Melbourne are not expected to threaten nearby residents, but ash may fall around Healesville.

Controlled burning will continue around Toolangi and Healesville in an attempt to strengthen fire control lines.

Thousands of Victorian and interstate fire fighters will be joined by 52 officers from New Zealand on Saturday, and a further 60 from the United States on Sunday.

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PLAYER57832 wrote:If the arson weren't enough, the child porn will ensure this guy won't survive long outside of solitary... at least if Australian prisoners are anything like those in the U.S.


Or UK prisons, hopefully the guy (if convicted guilty) can spend the rest of his live with a 6'4 300lb serial killer.
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