2dimes wrote:AAFitz wrote:2dimes wrote:I liked the part where you compare the death of a plant to the death of a hampster.
Well, I suppose its obvious that I am slightly joking, but Young earth Creationists believe the word of the Bible is the absolute truth. Adam and Eve's Sin brought death upon the world. Even bacteria and viruses never died. Nothing could. It was only sin that allowed all of this take place. It says it right there in Genesis, after explaining the 6 days of creation. There is simply no other way to read it. It is the Word of God.
No I'm not kidding re-read it. The plants were there for eating. I presume they die biologically when that happens. I feel the death of a plant is different from mine which further is different to that of my dog that I had to put down.
Do I hope God gives me my dog back when I get to heaven? Yes.
Do I expect it? No.
Do I think perhaps the essance of my dog returned to being part of God? Maybe, let's start a thread and discuss that.
Im not kidding either. But if you are saying that the animals were able to eat plants, but not other animals, at least that makes it possible for them to survive, of course....I dont think the carnivores would have been able to survive very long...but thats all too reasonable. And Im responding to seeing a young earth creationist specifically say, that there was no death, and that therefore, no animals could die. Granted, I feel the plants got short changed. They like all life on earth struggle to survive and live in every environment that they can. When they die, it is very clear they are doing everything they can to continue living.
But where is the cut off line here then? Was it all the cute animals that didnt die...and the plants died..what about the bugs...did they die...And fungus...it mostly feeds on death...was it just waiting till adam ate the apple too? And again...this is in response to a post that there was no death, which was taken litterally, and the problems that that creates.
As far as your dog going to heaven, I completely believe that you will have your dog in heaven if there is one. Otherwise, it simply could not be heaven for you. Of course, I also do not beleive that any heaven would be the same for everyone. Logically, it can only be what every person deserves based on the lives they led. To believe anything different it contradictory to any logic or reason...but again...I suppose that isnt important in this discussion.
The main motivation for not giving animals souls, is so that we could eat and sacrifice them, and not feel bad. Science itself did the same thing for years by arguing that animals did not have emotions, which of course is absolutely ridiculous, and obvious to anyone who has ever seen an animal. However, it makes it a little harder to butcher them, once you realize they dont want to die, are afraid, and depending upon the species, can be sad and depressed in the same exact chemical way that humans get. Easier to just take away the soul, and emotions. Much easier.
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