lol atheists

[PLAYER57832]

Christians are definitely not the only ones who don't think there is intelligent life out there, so a lot of the reasons are the same as for anyone else ... the sheer improbability, etc.

According to NASA, with Earth as their only true model, intelligent life will evolve 20% of the time that life does evolve.... but only on a planet similer to Earth.
And with something like 100 infinity bajillion Earth-like planets out there, I'd say there either is a lot of intelligent life out there, or that earth is a fluke and there is none.
I choose life.

First, I was not answering for myself ... I was responding with the answers I have heard from fellow Christians when the topic has come up.

As for the percentages. Yes, in a way, but you only tackle part of the question. Carl Sagan once ran through the statistics. The chances of life of some sort existing elsewhere are pretty high. However, the chances of life intelligent enough to form space travel and reach us within the time that we exist, are likely to exist (based on estimates of the age of our sun, etc. ... ) is very, very, very small. I don't know enough to analyze his data.

Because Eve was created from Adam's rib and then they populated the Earth. Saying God could not have created Adam and Eve WITHOUT evolution is a pretty cramped box!

Jay does have a point about evolution from a biblical point of view. Not to attack anyone, or bolster an Atheist's arguement, but he has a point.

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Except no one has said that God HAD to use Evolution. God could have done anything! The question is what God actually did, and whether the words of the Bible can only mean one thing. Most people say that the much of the wording in Genesis is intentionally open (day can mean 24 hours, but also other less specific time periods, such as "in my day.."... etc).

It is my understanding that most Jews believe it is mostly alleghorical

There were many, many MANY animals left out of that description.

Well, we have physically observed evolution so...

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I absolutely accept Evolutionary theory and feel it is fully consistant with the Bible.

As for what we have observed... Creationists assert there is no relationship between microevolution (small changes within species) and macroevolution (species evolving from other species). Again, this is not what I believe, it is what Creationists assert.

[AAFitz]

Because Eve was created from Adam's rib and then they populated the Earth. Saying God could not have created Adam and Eve WITHOUT evolution is a pretty cramped box!

Jay does have a point about evolution from a biblical point of view. Not to attack anyone, or bolster an Atheist's argument, but he has a point.

He of course has a point. But if you look, no one is suggesting anything to the contrary of that point. No one in here ever suggests God cant do anything. As silly as these conversations get...no one is quite that silly...

The fact that God could have however, does not mean that it makes it any more believable. To believe something is possible, does not mean it is probable. He thinks when someone says that when someone says its not believable that God made the world in 6 days, that they are saying its impossible...yet ironically when he says evolution is not believable...that is a completely different idea...when in fact they are exactly the same. Neither suggests God could not have done it...yet he posts incorrectly every time when someone else posts essentially the same exact idea as him.

But every time he jumps in and says God can do anything...and contradicts what no one said in the first place. And then usually goes on to post the same exact idea....just the opposite

[Juan_Bottom]

I misread the context. I thought that he was saying that while you can believe animals may have evolved, and still believe the Bible, you cannot say that man evolved. Because the Bible says god created man, and then Eve from his rib. And that sounds nothing like evolution... especially not the evolution of man.

As for the percentages. Yes, in a way, but you only tackle part of the question. Carl Sagan once ran through the statistics. The chances of life of some sort existing elsewhere are pretty high. However, the chances of life intelligent enough to form space travel and reach us within the time that we exist, are likely to exist (based on estimates of the age of our sun, etc. ... ) is very, very, very small. I don't know enough to analyze his data

It's true.
But don't close down SETI just yet!


Can you imagine what would happen if we treated the Constitution like the Bible? Some parts we take at face value, some parts we interprete, and some parts we just don't incorporate into our lives......

[got tonkaed]

err...arent you the guy who is supposed to be arguing thats what we do already anyway?

[Juan_Bottom]

err...arent you the guy who is supposed to be arguing thats what we do already anyway?

That's something to think about....

[AAFitz]

Can you imagine what would happen if we treated the Constitution like the Bible? Some parts we take at face value, some parts we interprete, and some parts we just don't incorporate into our lives......

that is by far the funniest line in the whole thread

err...arent you the guy who is supposed to be arguing thats what we do already anyway?

yeah, I think he was being facetious...

[got tonkaed]

meh hed have to be a bible guy imo for the whole thing to work, and unless hes converted, hes not a bible guy.

[Juan_Bottom]

Why does everyone always take me so seriously?
I guess that if you don't see anything funny, then it wasn't ment for you.



I would use this -> " " or this -> " lol " everytime I say something that I think is funny, but then it wouldn't be funny.

[mpjh]

Juan, some things you say we take at face value, some things we interpret, and some we ignore altogether.

[AAFitz]

Why does everyone always take me so seriously?
I guess that if you don't see anything funny, then it wasn't ment for you.



I would use this -> " " or this -> " lol " everytime I say something that I think is funny, but then it wouldn't be funny.

It was obvious dont worry

[jonesthecurl]

Juan, some things you say we take at face value, some things we interpret, and some we ignore altogether.

heretic.

[mpjh]

According to Juanian law, this is allowed.

[Juan_Bottom]

It's in the Juan rules.
Well, that's how the 1st Church of Juan interprets it anyway.

[2dimes]

Your link is busted.

[mpjh]

Yes, and they are working on a reconciliation with the rebelistants in the John church.

[pimpdave]

Oh hey, a (Christian/atheist) newcomer to the Off-Topic Forum. Looks like he's trying to (convert/insult) us. He's way too (gullible/closed-minded), if you ask me.

Rusty Monkey is neither new, nor close-minded. Read some old threads to see just how open-minded he is.

In fact, I'd have to say, he might be the most respected regular poster, and the poster that generates the most positive anticipation for his next brilliant thread.

[Juan_Bottom]

Your link is busted.

It's another bad joke. This one needs an explination though....

See, I would tell you what the rules are, but then you would know that I exist. And I want you to love me without any proof that I am real, except because you were told that I am.
the Juan Rules = the Bible/commandments

In fact, I'd have to say, he might be the most respected regular poster, and the poster that generates the most positive anticipation for his next brilliant thread.

This is true. People who never talk respnond to him.

[mpjh]

Yes, sometimes they speak in "random type" a ancient language with which great secrets are revealed.